Iran-Pakistan fallout over Bahrain

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well one question is currently PAkistani army have claimed that with the tense border with India and the army streched out in FATA, there are no resources left to launch operations in N. Waziristan.

So the idea that Pakistan would be able to spare 2 divisions to go to Bahrain or Saudi Arabia seems like an impossibility. And if they do send it, then either they don't consider India a threat and were making it up or PA just listens to what SA and Bahrain says rather than protect its own security.

There are no credible sources supporting the story of '2 divisions to Saudi Arabia' as of yet.

And while Pakistan may possess a numerically and qualitatively (in terms of training and experience) superior military, the Saudis certainly are not lacking in military equipment by any means, and extremely high tech at that. The Saudi military is itself not so insignificant with around 230,000 active personnel, and then add in their police and any other tribal militias/volunteers the government could draw upon.

Given that, currently, any demonstrations are likely to be pretty small with a small base of support, I doubt the Saudis need 2 divisions from Pakistan to assist them.

 

[BATMAN]

As i said facts are twisted.... by irresponsible media.
Funny is when people insist to believe the false words by irresponsible media.

I think armed protesters are need to be held responsible in case of casualties.
Pakistanis will be employed in police, at max holding sticks and guard but their always will be casualties, in show downs.
I seriously hope, casualties not fall high enough to be termed as 'collateral damage'.
No need to be apologisitc in advance or get dictated by propaganda.
It is perfectly, legal when few retired men are hired in Bahrain or elsewhere by respective authorities.
Wrong is those who are covertly smuggling weapons and operatives to Bahrain.

 

[Mech]

Question- How will the concept of "muslim ummah" come into play when the conflict is between two pro islamic states?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Question- How will the concept of "muslim ummah" come into play when the conflict is between two pro islamic states?

The way it always has when there is conflict between 'two Muslim States'.

Surely you are not so ignorant as to not realize that there have been plenty of conflicts between 'Muslim States' throughout history.

 

[Bratva]

pakistan should help saudi arabia,in the hour of need becose if we dont the the land of haram could potentially fall under diffrent fitnahs,so its not forign policy but a religious duty of every pakistani to helpsaudis to maintain status quo,

Little Off topic But

According to Major Signs Of Qayyamah, And the sign before, Mehdi Appears, It is said that, there will be a blood shed among the rulers of land Of sacred. Several prince will fight each other for the throne

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

According to Major Signs Of Qayyamah, And the sign before, Mehdi Appears, It is said that, there will be a blood shed among the rulers of land Of sacred. Several prince will fight each other for the throne

One could argue that that has already happened (decades ago) with the bloodshed between the tribes in Saudi Arabia that led to the rise of the House of Saud as the ruling family.

Don't put too much faith in these 'signs' and what not and focus on what you can control/change/improve in this world.

 

[Mech]

The way it always has when there is conflict between 'two Muslim States'.

Surely you are not so ignorant as to not realize that there have been plenty of conflicts between 'Muslim States' throughout history.

I am well aware. However, i wanted to gain a deeper understanding of how basic islamic ideals like "muslim ummah" comes into play in such scenarios. Many posters in this forum have waxed eloquently about this concept. I , being an outsider, am merely curious.

 

[chops3d]

Question- How will the concept of "muslim ummah" come into play when the conflict is between two pro islamic states?

do you the name iran is derived of, its derived from word 'aryan', as much of a racism as it gets.. see how much racists and nationalists are some of the 'muslim countries' like iran and turkey, but some muslim countries are very good countries and not care about their race like arabs countries, indonesia etc

also iran is shia country, things which are haram in islam shias make it halal

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan will continue to make such choices so long as Pakistan has a ruling class not willing to eat the proverbial-grass to be a self-sustaining nation.

About Iran vs Arabs. It is for THEM to fight it out. Iran is Pakistan's neighbor and neighbors are more important than some non-neighbor Arab countries ruled by despotic rulers.

I'd say stay neutral! These Arab despots are on the wrong side of the history. They need to be shown the door and Pakistani govt. should not be part of that ploy to keep them afloat for a few morsals.

 

[chops3d]

Pakistan will continue to make such choices so long as Pakistan has a ruling class not willing to eat the proverbial-grass to be a self-sustaining nation.

About Iran vs Arabs. It is for THEM to fight it out. Iran is Pakistan's neighbor and neighbors are more important than some non-neighbor Arab countries ruled by despotic rulers.

I'd say stay neutral! These Arab despots are on the wrong side of the history. They need to be shown the door and Pakistani govt. should not be part of that ploy to keep them afloat for a few morsals.

do you know how much free oil pakistan receives from those arabs??, do you know how many pakistanis are working in arab countries, do you know what iran has done after shah's time except inflamin the sunni shia conflictt in pakistan??

when iran was to provide free electricity to some nearby villaes of pakistan, iranians in the forums were saying like why the hell is their govt doing such favours to a terrorist country..

by nature arabs are more friendlier than iranians ever will be except that you speak persian, and this is my personal experience..

india is our neighbour but we are more closer to bangladeshi hearts than indian heart, and this is also my personal experience..

 

[BATMAN]

Pakistan will continue to make such choices so long as Pakistan has a ruling class not willing to eat the proverbial-grass to be a self-sustaining nation.

About Iran vs Arabs. It is for THEM to fight it out. Iran is Pakistan's neighbor and neighbors are more important than some non-neighbor Arab countries ruled by despotic rulers.

I'd say stay neutral! These Arab despots are on the wrong side of the history. They need to be shown the door and Pakistani govt. should not be part of that ploy to keep them afloat for a few morsals.

Iran and India are already working against Pakistan!
It is in Pakistan's interest to reject Iran's foreign policy of building and arming rebels in other Islamic states, specially the holy land.
Turkey has reported Iran to UN but so far UN have not demanded any action against Iran.

 

[BATMAN]

do you know how much free oil pakistan receives from those arabs??, do you know how many pakistanis are working in arab countries, do you know what iran has done after shah's time except inflamin the sunni shia conflictt in pakistan??

when iran was to provide free electricity to some nearby villaes of pakistan, iranians in the forums were saying like why the hell is their govt doing such favours to a terrorist country..

by nature arabs are more friendlier than iranians ever will be except that you speak persian, and this is my personal experience..

india is our neighbour but we are more closer to bangladeshi hearts than indian heart, and this is also my personal experience..

What you guys do not know, how much oil india receive from Iran and how many indians work in Iran and how much Mullahs of Iran love Indians.

At the moment India is running many construction projects in Iran despite US sanctions.

All the sanction goods are being delivered to Dubai by indians and than move on to Iran.

What a hogwash..... for the brainwashed masses.

 

[Bhairava]

And Iran certainly has no room to be taking self righteous positions here, given its own extensive cooperation and trade with India despite India's occupation and oppression of J&K.

Errr...This is a wrong analogy.

Iran is not actively helping India with mercenaries in putting down the unruly mobs in Kashmir whereas Pakistan is just doing that in Bahrain.

India-Iran ties are just pure oil business and nothing else.

 

[Mech]

do you the name iran is derived of, its derived from word 'aryan', as much of a racism as it gets.. see how much racists and nationalists are some of the 'muslim countries' like iran and turkey, but some muslim countries are very good countries and not care about their race like arabs countries, indonesia etc

also iran is shia country, things which are haram in islam shias make it halal

So in you POV , Iran being a predominantly shia muslim country ,somehow makes it un-islamic ? ( implying "muslim ummah" as not applicable with iran)

 

[BATMAN]

Errr...This is a wrong analogy.

Iran is not actively helping India with mercenaries in putting down the unruly mobs in Kashmir whereas Pakistan is just doing that in Bahrain.

India-Iran ties are just pure oil business and nothing else.

Iran is doing every thin gto help india even sending mercenaries to kill Kashmiris.