Iran joins Turkey, Iraq in opposing KRG independence vote

[mike2000 is back]

we are not discussing shia Sunni issues here. Iran Iraq war was between shia muslims and shia muslims

Was just asking if you meant Saddam was right in doing military operations against Kurds and Shiite alike or?

 

[Dai Toruko]

No you don't see that one unless bazani annex kerkuk TBH even if that happen we may not go to war for it.

You don't want protect your country?
I have never seen a stupid traitor like you.

And for what the popcorn?

I'm just curious about the end of barzani.

 

[PakAlp]

I fear for the region because Iraq and Syria are already destroyed and divided. The chance of a Kurdistan country is highly likely. Maybe at the beginning Independent Iraqi kurdistan and Syrian kurdistan but later on they will unite and will be used against Turkey and Iran. I dont see any peace between Iraq Kurdistan, Syrian Kurdistan with Turkey because they are a direct threat to Turkey.

Turkey made a clear blunder by supporting the rebels against the Syrian government. This will cost Turkey in the coming decade or so. Turkey should have worked to make peace between Turkish supported rebels (Ikhwanis) and Syrian government and a unity government would have solved the issue

All i see is bigger brains than Turkey are at work

 

[Malik Alashter]

Please do, those leo's fell into heavy ambush, hit "several" times by ATGMs and fight to the end. 3k+ dead Daesh members leftover from the operation, "0" civilian loss. Urban warfare is more complicated than you think against a irregular militia with full of suicide bomber lunatics. 3k km2 cleaned and these all done with 350 troops and several armors. Not even %1 of Turkish army. Even without air support. If we got air support we would have zero loss probably.

Now don't try to humiliate Turkish army and operation Euprates Shield. Don't even dare to compare it with Iraqi covards.

You can have all the excuses you want the reality still your soldiers ran away from the same guys TBH what happen in Mosul even more legit than yours.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Anti Sunni movements will not benefit Iraq and anyone who do it, hurts Iraq's sovereignty.
Maybe you are bothered to see the death of ISIS and Al-Nusra terrorists who killed almost 450,000 of Syrian people and displaced 5 millions of them. Syrian people are Sunni !

So don't waste your worthless time
I hate you because you favored Saddam the killer of 1 million Iranian Muslims. IMO you are a POS. Don't doubt for a single moment

Iran made Iraq a sectarian war torn country by using shia militias instead of helping iraqi forces directly. even Iran most hard liner shia general was leading this war.
even if Isis is defeated the seeds bowed by Iran sectarian policies won't allow peace to prevail until all shia militias are dismantled and Iraqi government with representatives of all sects and tribes is formed.
but Iran want influence which is possible only if people believing in mullah of Tehran are ruling along with sectarian forces.

 

[damm1t]

You can have all the excuses you want the reality still your soldiers ran away from the same guys TBH what happen in Mosul even more legit than yours.

Lol

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Anti Sunni movements will not benefit Iraq and anyone who do it, hurts Iraq's sovereignty.
Maybe you are bothered to see the death of ISIS and Al-Nusra terrorists who killed almost 450,000 of Syrian people and displaced 5 millions of them. Syrian people are Sunni !

So don't waste your worthless time
I hate you because you favored Saddam the killer of 1 million Iranian Muslims. IMO you are a POS. Don't doubt for a single moment

ok with me if you hate him. but I hate Iran for killing of 3 millions Iraqi, Syrian, afghans,Saudis,Pakistanis , Yemenis, bahrainian, lebenanian Muslims in sectarian violence and Iran Iraq war.

Anti Sunni movements will not benefit Iraq and anyone who do it, hurts Iraq's sovereignty.
Maybe you are bothered to see the death of ISIS and Al-Nusra terrorists who killed almost 450,000 of Syrian people and displaced 5 millions of them. Syrian people are Sunni !

So don't waste your worthless time
I hate you because you favored Saddam the killer of 1 million Iranian Muslims. IMO you are a POS. Don't doubt for a single moment

saddam was right to crush rebellions and fight an enemy with regional sectarian ambitions.

 

[Muhammed45]

ok with me if you hate him. but I hate Iran for killing of 3 millions Iraqi, Syrian, afghans,Saudis,Pakistanis , Yemenis, bahrainian, lebenanian Muslims in sectarian violence and Iran Iraq war.

You made me laugh man. Apparently you are wasting the time
Never say Iran-Iraq war, say Saddam-Iran war. We didn't shoot a single bullet towards Muslim nation of Iraq.

 

[saiyan0321]

poffff
And some people wonder why Muslims are the most backward people on earth. @naveedullahkhankhattak You are an example of backward sectarian idiots.

Kurds are currently mutual threat for all the sides, maybe we must wait for a joint operation.

Muslims are backwards bcz they have zero sense of development and are too busy with internal strides and hatred. Even the richer countries of Muslim are simply not up to the mark. Infact the lavish countries of oil wealth have really been disappointing bcz they had a great opportunity to leave everyone behind due to massive wealth only to squander it so much. But that us off topic.

As for the Kurdish region. Hmmm quite frankly this does not concern us at all nor we can do anything about it but I will say this.

Kurdistan ( region under Iraq) will find it hard to be considered a legal entity without the consent of the Iraqi government ( no matter how weak it is) bcz it would create friction between the two and may even see Iraq take military options against them. If the Iraqi govt agrees then its a no brainer however realistically they are already extremely autonomous and they will not concede that Autonomy without a fight. Perhaps kurdistan can be formed provided they don't hold territorial expansion aka the Turkish kurdistan and the Irani kurdistan regions. This would be a more safer option then a simple declaration of independence and would quell the fears of turkey and Iran who quite frankly would interfere in kurdistan greatly to protect themselves.

Anyway in interest of Pakistan neither turkey nor Iran could be allowed any disintegration of any territories they hold. Which means that if Iran suffers a rebellion say in its Kurdish region and somehow joins kurdistan then it will have adverse effects on Pakistan bcz when you lose one minority the other minority rebels which would be the sistan province and if the sistan province rebels then Baluchistan gets effected which is most certainly not in our interest at all.

Well let's see. I will say this. The day kurdistan is formed the saying should be their motto, " the Kurds have no friends but the mountains" bcz Kurdistan will have no friends in its neighborhood but the mountains.

 

[Muhammed45]

saddam was right to crush rebellions and fight an enemy with regional sectarian ambitions.

Ok, with this one you received the award of dumbest user in PDF. Good luck with that

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I see a convergence of interest between Iran and Turkey in many areas. Hope this keeps up and we can finally set aside all our quarrels and improve relations even further.

 

[El Sidd]

All i wanted was to drop in and deliver a knock Knock joke

But damn

Some serious shizz is going on.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Iran made Iraq a sectarian war torn country by using shia militias instead of helping iraqi forces directly. even Iran most hard liner shia general was leading this war.
even if Isis is defeated the seeds bowed by Iran sectarian policies won't allow peace to prevail until all shia militias are dismantled and Iraqi government with representatives of all sects and tribes is formed.
but Iran want influence which is possible only if people believing in mullah of Tehran are ruling along with sectarian forces.

Bro what Iraqi army do you know that army infiltrated by baathist and isis do you know in Mosul there were 3 divisions 90% of them kurds and locals do you know locals police which counted for 20 thousand men all these drop their weapons for isis they left the Shiite alone to retreat from the town

do you the army general staff is a baathi who did even withdrew all tanks from mosul did you know they withdrew the SOF from mosul before the fall of the town

It was big treason by the baathist in the army and police and the krg

the goal was to topple the government in Baghdad but Imam Sistani gave that fatwa that gave Iraqis from all sects to carry guns to defend the government and the nation.

that's why our army still with big question mark we don't really trust it.

 

[Muhammed45]

Well let's see. I will say this. The day kurdistan is formed the saying should be their motto, " the Kurds have no friends but the mountains" bcz Kurdistan will have no friends in its neighborhood but the mountains.

Just forgot Israel. Kurdistan is Israeli desire.
Our Kurds are happy with being in Iran, we have never treated them like Turkey. This Shia-Sunni sect helps to establish Kurdistan anyways which i don't favor because of Israel-Saudi hands in it.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Iran joins Turkey, Iraq in opposing KRG independence vote
FRENCH PRESS AGENCY - AFP
TEHRAN
Published June 10, 2017

KRG President Massoud Barzani meets with political party representatives from KRG Parliament in the town of Salahaddin near Irbil, northern Iraq, June 09, 2017. (AA Photo)
Iran voiced its opposition on Saturday to an announcement by northern Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) that it will organize a vote on independence later this year.

"Iran's principal position is to support the territorial integrity of Iraq," foreign ministry spokesman Bahram Ghasemi said.

"The Kurdistan region is part of the Iraqi republic and unilateral decisions outside the national and legal framework, especially the Iraqi constitution... can only lead to new problems."

Iraqi Kurdish leaders announced on Wednesday that they will organize an independence referendum on September 25, not only in their three-province autonomous region but also in other historically Kurdish-majority areas they have long sought to incorporate in it.

Iran worries about separatism among its own Kurds, most of whom live in areas along the border with Iraq.

Rebels of the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI) and the Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK), the Iranian affiliate of the PKK terrorist group, launch sporadic attacks into Iran from rear-bases in Iraq, triggering sometimes deadly clashes with the security forces.

After an upsurge attacks in 2011, Iranian troops launched a cross-border incursion, forcing KDPI to retreat deeper into Iraq.

The federal government in Baghdad is deeply opposed to the referendum plan of the regional government in Irbil, as is neighboring Turkey, which has a large Kurdish minority of its own. Turkish officials have defined the move to hold the referendum as "irresponsible" and "grave mistake" amid the turmoil in the region.

Washington has expressed concern that it could distract from the joint fight against the Daesh group by stoking tensions between the Kurds, and Arabs and Turkmen in northern Iraq.

"An integrated, stable and democratic Iraq guarantees the interests of the whole people (of Iraq) from all ethnic and religious groups," Ghasemi said.

"Today, Iraq more than ever needs peace and national unity and differences between Arbil and Baghdad must be resolved within the framework of dialogue and in compliance with Iraq's constitution."
-> https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomac...turkey-iraq-in-opposing-krg-independence-vote

Well, I don't think there is anything new in this article that we don't already know or that is groundbreaking. All these countries position on Kurdish issue hasn't changed much for decades or even centuries now and is well known.

However, it's also true that Turkey is far more uneasy/worried about an "official" Kurdish independent state in Iraq (or even worse Syria) Compared to other countries(Iran, Iraq,Syria) in the region. I believe Iran ,Syria and even Iraq will be more inclined to living with a Kurdish state in the region than Turkey for some reason.
Probably because Kurdish militias/groups don't use any existential threat to Iran(more of a little nuisance), For Syria it's a non event since the county is already de-facto divided into several parts controlled by rebel groups and influenced by foriegn and regional powers so a quasi Kurdish state won't change much(Assad troops even cooperate with Kurds for some military operations against FSA rebels when necessary), For Iraq the Kurds already have a de-facto state for a while now, so the issue will be making this state official and recognised through this referendum. Don't think even if they voted for independence, Iraqs government will move in to invade the region/State since this will only lead to even more chaos and division in the country(moreover even Saddam couldn't wipe out the Kurdish groups/militias or stop them from having a quasi autonomy during his reign). So this leaves Turkey who seems to be more worried about this issue and the threat it poses to its own restless Kurdish region. Best case scenario for Turkey will be for the Kurds in Iraq to gain independence(in case it even happens) under barzani since Turkey have very good ties with him and have been one of his main supporter, buying alot or oil from the region though him and even building a pipeline in this endeavour).