Iran joins Turkey, Iraq in opposing KRG independence vote

[Dai Toruko]

According to Ankara treaty 1926 between Iraq, Turkey and UK If there is a change a in the intergrity of Iraqi State's lands Turkey has a legal right to annex Kirkuk and Musoul to it's territory This treaty is bound by the League of Nations so there can be no rejection from the UN.

Source:
http://treaties.fco.gov.uk/docs/ful...TLEMENT OF FRONTIER BETWEEN TURKEY & IRAQ.pdf

 

[fitpOsitive]

Kurds need to get a life.

Why?

 

[TheCamelGuy]

According to Ankara treaty 1926 between Iraq, Turkey and UK If there is a change a in the intergrity of Iraqi State's lands Turkey has a legal right to annex Kirkuk and Musoul to it's territory This treaty is bound by the League of Nations so there can be no rejection from the UN.

Source:
http://treaties.fco.gov.uk/docs/fullnames/pdf/1927/TS0018 (1927) CMD-2912 1926 5 JUN, ANGORA; TREATY BETWEEN UK & IRAQ & TURKEY REGARDING SETTLEMENT OF FRONTIER BETWEEN TURKEY & IRAQ.pdf

And who still recognizes an old treaty? It's from 1927?
UK is no longer a superpower, UN is nothing when a global power doesn't stand behind its action.

Current superpower (US) won't allow for such a thing. Annexing Mosul means going to war with ISF and PMU which is not an easy thing, if you think it is a walkover then far weaker YPG or IS would've been a walkover. All not feasible.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Iran joins Turkey, Iraq in opposing KRG independence vote
FRENCH PRESS AGENCY - AFP
TEHRAN
Published June 10, 2017

KRG President Massoud Barzani meets with political party representatives from KRG Parliament in the town of Salahaddin near Irbil, northern Iraq, June 09, 2017. (AA Photo)
Iran voiced its opposition on Saturday to an announcement by northern Iraq's autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) that it will organize a vote on independence later this year.

"Iran's principal position is to support the territorial integrity of Iraq," foreign ministry spokesman Bahram Ghasemi said.

"The Kurdistan region is part of the Iraqi republic and unilateral decisions outside the national and legal framework, especially the Iraqi constitution... can only lead to new problems."

Iraqi Kurdish leaders announced on Wednesday that they will organize an independence referendum on September 25, not only in their three-province autonomous region but also in other historically Kurdish-majority areas they have long sought to incorporate in it.

Iran worries about separatism among its own Kurds, most of whom live in areas along the border with Iraq.

Rebels of the Kurdistan Democratic Party of Iran (KDPI) and the Party of Free Life of Kurdistan (PJAK), the Iranian affiliate of the PKK terrorist group, launch sporadic attacks into Iran from rear-bases in Iraq, triggering sometimes deadly clashes with the security forces.

After an upsurge attacks in 2011, Iranian troops launched a cross-border incursion, forcing KDPI to retreat deeper into Iraq.

The federal government in Baghdad is deeply opposed to the referendum plan of the regional government in Irbil, as is neighboring Turkey, which has a large Kurdish minority of its own. Turkish officials have defined the move to hold the referendum as "irresponsible" and "grave mistake" amid the turmoil in the region.

Washington has expressed concern that it could distract from the joint fight against the Daesh group by stoking tensions between the Kurds, and Arabs and Turkmen in northern Iraq.

"An integrated, stable and democratic Iraq guarantees the interests of the whole people (of Iraq) from all ethnic and religious groups," Ghasemi said.

"Today, Iraq more than ever needs peace and national unity and differences between Arbil and Baghdad must be resolved within the framework of dialogue and in compliance with Iraq's constitution."
-> https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomac...turkey-iraq-in-opposing-krg-independence-vote

After Saddam every country played like crazy in Iraq. Blood of everybody was/is free for everybody. Booty was by force, who ever could take it. Rape, murder and what not.
I think its time for all the regional countries to pay for their unethical, irrational behavior in the region.

 

[Dai Toruko]

And who still recognizes an old treaty? It's from 1927?
UK is no longer a superpower, UN is nothing when a global power doesn't stand behind its action.

Current superpower (US) won't allow for such a thing. Annexing Mosul means going to war with ISF and PMU which is not an easy thing, if you think it is a walkover then far weaker YPG or IS would've been a walkover. All not feasible.

Then keep your backyard clean. So that such radical measures do not have to be taken.

 

[asad71]

Territorial integerity of Turkey is imperative. Must be upheld at all costs.

Same goes for Iraq, Syria and Iran.

Enough blood has been spilled. No more need of Blood Borders.

Here is a great opportunity for Iran and Turkey to join hands and rise above secterian divide.

It is also in Pak's strategic interests that Turkey remains Turkey.

If Iran, Turkey and Pak can rise to the occasion and develop a truly free trade zone among themselves... Peace can pervail.

Also, Pak being in SCO now and Iran and down the road Turkey joining... means that Eurasian integeration can be complete.

So, I request the sane posters to support each other in the name of Civilisation and not to remain chained to secterian stone.

PDF is a good place to create a positive vibe....

All three countries are inheritors of great Civilisations....please, rise to the occasion and don't be manipulated by Evil.

And the place we are talking about gave birth to heroes like Nuruddin Zangi and Salahuddin Gazi.

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Then keep your backyard clean. So that such radical measures do not have to be taken.

Such measures cannot be taken, yes yes we know u are a wolf now stop acting tough.

Keeping the backyard clean.. because Turkey does not influence that right? Turkey was part of the 1991-2003 no-fly zones which prevented the ISF from keeping it clean from the PKK. Today they support Barzani who did nothing against the PKK, then the PMU came and removed the PKK.

Consider your policy, the problem lies in Ankara.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Such measures cannot be taken, yes yes we know u are a wolf now stop acting tough.

Keeping the backyard clean.. because Turkey does not influence that right? Turkey was part of the 1991-2003 no-fly zones which prevented the ISF from keeping it clean from the PKK. Today they support Barzani who did nothing against the PKK, then the PMU came and removed the PKK.

Consider your policy, the problem lies in Ankara.

As I said we will gain from this alot

1-no money from our oil to krg

2-we will be as shia 80% while sunnis 15%.

 

[Baybars Han]

Support the Iraq Turkmen front as much as possible should be our number 1 priority. If needs be intervene if there is massacre against Turkmens and support an independent Turkmen region.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Support the Iraq Turkmen front as much as possible should be our number 1 priority. If needs be intervene if there is massacre against Turkmens and support an independent Turkmen region.

Once Abadi give the ok to the PM forces to take talaafar then show us your mighty for now think about your rising problems.

 

[Baybars Han]

Once Abadi give the ok to the PM forces to take talaafar then show us your mighty for now think about your rising problems.

Instead of sitting in the USA be a man and go save your country that is in ruins.

 

[HRK]

Territorial integerity of Turkey is imperative. Must be upheld at all costs.

Same goes for Iraq, Syria and Iran.

Enough blood has been spilled. No more need of Blood Borders.

Here is a great opportunity for Iran and Turkey to join hands and rise above secterian divide.

It is also in Pak's strategic interests that Turkey remains Turkey.

If Iran, Turkey and Pak can rise to the occasion and develop a truly free trade zone among themselves... Peace can pervail.

Also, Pak being in SCO now and Iran and down the road Turkey joining... means that Eurasian integeration can be complete.

So, I request the sane posters to support each other in the name of Civilisation and not to remain chained to secterian stone.

PDF is a good place to create a positive vibe....

All three countries are inheritors of great Civilisations....please, rise to the occasion and don't be manipulated by Evil.

Political map of middle east is bound to change (an unfortunate truth) the divisions & boundaries and above all political system UK created after world war-II in that region is not serving to anyone not to the people of the region, not to the political forces of that region & now not even to the Global powers.

The only thing which matter now is that which participant will lose the least in this conundrum. Division of Iraq has a potential to suck in both Iran & Turkey more violently in the middle east then their current level of engagement in the region as it will create REAL THREAT not only to the Territorial Integrity of these countries but to their SOVEREIGNTY as well

 

[TheCamelGuy]

Support the Iraq Turkmen front as much as possible should be our number 1 priority.

Iraq Turkmen front holds no military might and is opposed by 4 Turmen brigades totaling around 30K Turkmen forces under the PMU led by several figures of which one is Yılmaz Şehbaz Neccaroğlu.

It's easy and often done here, you shout out something just because it has the name Turkmen front but you know nothing about it.

If needs be intervene if there is massacre against Turkmens and support an independent Turkmen region.

Reminder; IS massacred Turkmens in Tal Afar and other areas, Erdogan was dancing. Now when they're being saved by fellow Turkmen units in the PMU Erdogan is going insane.

He hates Shias, Turkmens don't approve of him, the Shia ones know very well how they were abandoned by Erdogan, the Sunni Turkmens hate him for his pro Kurdish policy. Now try a new idea.

 

[Malik Alashter]

Instead of sitting in the USA be a man and go save your country that is in ruins.

If saving it depends on me I won't waiting for you to remind me go find a job instead waisting your time.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Political map of middle east is bound to change (an unfortunate truth) the divisions & boundaries and above all political system UK created after world war-II in that region is not serving to anyone not to the people of the region, not to the political forces of that region & now not even to the Global powers.

The only thing which matter now is that which participant will lose the least in this conundrum. Division of Iraq has a potential to suck in both Iran & Turkey more violently in the middle east then their current level of engagement in the region as it will create REAL THREAT not only to the Territorial Integrity of these countries but to their SOVEREIGNTY as well

My Dear Pak Friend,


It is imperative that we try to understand the gensis, as you correctly pointed out, regarding the imperial powers of that time.

Fundamental thing to understand is the intention and thought processes of the designers of stathoods what we see today in the ME.

This will not only help us understand the current inferno but also the dynamics which we have seen in inter -state interactions in the ME and the ruling elites' inclinations and their conduct.

In essence all states are atrificial and everything should go back to tribes and sub-tribal areas. Yet this is not possible. Neither it is desirable for obvious reasons.

As you, no doubt, have seen the global power shift Eastwards is accelerating and whoever can shape the landscape in the ME will consolidate global power. It all boils down to emerging global financial architecture and resistence of the established one.

If Turkey, Iran or Pakistan can be fully destalised then the integeration of Eurasia can suffer a major setback.

It is the Game for the Heartland, ME being the enabling factor. If we could see secterian divides and terrorism in the name of religion in this context then many a thing become clear as morning dew.

Hence, my desire for the territorial integerity of Turkey.

Because only Turkey can offer a push back to the emerging dynamics of death and destruction. We must also see coup in Turkey in broader context than mere infighting among Turkish political forces. I don't have an oppinion about the inner politics of Turkey or its President.

It is the same context which would help us see Mr. Modi's love for the Baloch People's of Pak.

Iran's saving grace is its natural resources which enabled it to build some deternt capabilities.

When I say CPEC is not just a road... I do mean that this infrastructure project has nitted Pak so neatly together that the Blood Borders desires have taken hit. A strong and proserous Pak is equally important to the territorial integerity of China.

Of late Russia finds love for Pak brings the same context back to fore.

So, yes, I do fear that the Cycle of Great Sorrow is upon ME... but it will take destruction ten times the level of Syria to change the current borders. Not that the forces which desire such outcome are shy of such an enterprise... herein, lies the value of terrorism. Cheap and effective solution.

I do hope that Pak State is alive to challenges ahead.

It should neither involve itself in any mess nor should it shy away from its role. Managing this Paradox will shape the rest of the century. And no one in rich ME will ever thank Pak or Turkey for this.

Terribly sorry for such a long and boring reply... but what you said in so few words... can not be answered in pages.

You take good care.

Regards,

SPF