Iran considering ways to boost birth rate

[al-Hasani]

Iran's birth rate is reflective of the way Iranian society thinks. Most Iranian people like to have one or two kids. Most people from Upper and Middle class end up having two kids. It's actually the poor and more religious families that end up having big families (6-8 kids).

This is not any different from other countries of the region where the living conditions have improved drastically in recent decades.

For instance in KSA most women do not marry as young women anymore but prefer studies or work. While in nearby Iraq and Yemen (much more poor countries) the fertility rates are much higher.

Also I am not sure what you talk about when you say that only 0,0001% of all Iranians living in exile are "political refugees"?

Most Iranians here in Denmark are that and there are about 10.000 Iranians. Political refugees meaning that they are escaping Iran for political reasons. For instance they don't agree with the system. It does not necessarily mean that they are escaping from a death sentence or a life imprisonment sentence.

Basically 90% of all Iranians that I have met in my time in France, Denmark, USA, Arab world and from visits across the world all were against the system in one way or another.

I don't even understand how a few Mullah's and a few millions of their hardcore supporters can take a whole nation hostage. Why are more people not rebelling?

But anyway before I joined this forum I also expected all Iranians to be against the system but most users here are not (those living in Iran) and surprisingly even those that live abroad sometimes speak on their behalf. Such as yourself from time to time.

Yes, no other Middle Eastern or Arab country is a Western style democracy but at least they live a lot better than Iranians on average, at least those in the GCC and their countries are not isolated by the world community by large nor do they face all those problems that Iran does.

Anyway at the end of the day it is up to the Iranians if they want to live under the Mullah's. I am only giving my opinion as an outsider. Nothing more.

 

[rmi5]

Religious minorities like Iranian Jews left Iran when Israel was created which is way before 1970's. Even during Shah's time Iranian Jews were leaving Iran in big numbers. I do agree that after the 1979 revolution the process was accelerated.

I disagree. Probably, @esfahanijew can help us with it. Many of Christians have left the country as well. The situation is the worst for Bahais I guess, since crazy mullahs even burn their houses, beat their children in schools, and destroy their tombs.

I think it's ridiculous to say that most "rich" and "educated" people have left Iran.

But, that's a fact. As an example, The most prestigious Tech university of Iran is Sharif University, and currently, more than half of its alumni are living in USA alone. About the rich families, Almost all of them have left the country. since mullahs seized all of their money, and properties with the excuse of being connected to Pahlavis. Only a few of "Bazar"i families who were supporter of mullahs are left.

Again, number 1 reason why people leave Iran is due to educational and job opportunities available in western societies not due to political or religious reasons.

As I wrote before, If it is the case, why they didn't left the country before mullahs?

 

[The SiLent crY]

Number of Iranians living outside of Iran is probably close to 5 million. And It's very misleading to call it "fleeing" Iran, In fact out of all the Iranian immigrants very small percentage ( like 0.00001%) "fled" Iran for political reasons. Majority of these people want to live in Europe or America, because they want first world living standards. Majority of young people leave Iran due to educational and career opportunities in America and Europe.

It's all the same reasons why people come to America from Mexico, Asia, and Africa.

Unlike many people in Iran that call these people traitor I think its obviously the government's fault that doesn't support our educated people including not preparing the country for them to come back . It won't happen as long as we improve our laws and make major changes .

 

[rmi5]

I don't even understand how a few Mullah's and a few millions of their hardcore supporters can take a whole nation hostage. Why are more people not rebelling?

the mercenaries,(Sepah, and Basij) are suppressing people in a daily basis. They get paid for espionage, beating, torturing, raping and killing people in a systematic way. My estimation is that more than 50,000 people have been killed by mullahs due to political reasons, and much more of Iranians are imprisoned by them. The oil money and their financial trusts are their main source of power. That's why they are so scared of western sanctions, and western governments have understood their achilles heel.
BTW, almost all of those pro mullah members are basij members.

 

[Sugarcane]

Well, Gold coin can attract only poor to make more babies (who already make as many as possible) and than they will not be able to provide quality education and other necessities of life. And as per my experience middle & upper class is not interested in kids, so as @JEskandari said Jennie is out of bottle now, it's not easy to change mindset & life style of middle & upper class.

 

[rmi5]

Well, Gold coin can attract only poor to make more babies (who already make as many as possible) and than they will not be able to provide quality education and other necessities of life. And as per my experience middle & upper class is not interested in kids, so as @JEskandari said Jennie is out of bottle now, it's not easy to change mindset & life style of middle & upper class.

That's right. Mullahs know this fact very well too. I am sure you know that the main supporters of mullahs are from the lower class, and their main problem is with middle and upper class. So, in this way they will increase the percentage of mullah followers(lower class) as well. very good game for mullahs.

 

[Chronos]

That's right. Mullahs know this fact very well too. I am sure you know that the main supporters of mullahs are from the lower class, and their main problem is with middle and upper class. So, in this way they will increase the percentage of mullah followers(lower class) as well. very good game for mullahs.

Bad game for Iran I guess.

I suppose they oppose universal, secular education for all Iranians as well?

I can hazard a gues the Mullahs don't exactly live a pious life either. It is just a hunch. You know like the Saudi royals.

 

[Sugarcane]

That's right. Mullahs know this fact very well too. I am sure you know that the main supporters of mullahs are from the lower class, and their main problem is with middle and upper class. So, in this way they will increase the percentage of mullah followers(lower class) as well. very good game for mullahs.

One thing you have to admit that they are genius and plan long term

 

[iranigirl2]

I disagree. Probably, @esfahanijew can help us with it. Many of Christians have left the country as well. The situation is the worst for Bahais I guess, since crazy mullahs even burn their houses, beat their children in schools, and destroy their tombs.
But, that's a fact. As an example, The most prestigious Tech university of Iran is Sharif University, and currently, more than half of its alumni are living in USA alone. About the rich families, Almost all of them have left the country. since mullahs seized all of their money, and properties with the excuse of being connected to Pahlavis. Only a few of "Bazar"i families who were supporter of mullahs are left.
As I wrote before, If it is the case, why they didn't left the country before mullahs?

You are correct , since 1979 the process of Iranian Jews and Bahai's leaving Iran accelerated.

However, When Israel was created , ALOT of Iranian Jews left Iran. I think most Iranians like to think Iran was some sort of a paradise before 1979. Unfortunately this is NOT true. This way of thinking is very naïve and I don't see it as constructive.

You can read more here:

Jewish fashion mogul reveals why his family left Iran in 1950’s | Jewish Journal

Exodus of Iran's Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Bahais have always been at odds with Iran. You ought to read more about what a lot of Bahais important figures thought about Shah and his father. of course during that time it was more of a political dispute but now the mullahs have turned it into religious differences.. The truth is no Iranian ruler has ever considered Bahais as loyal citizens. Do you know why the Bahai's house of worship is located in Israel? please read more about Baha'is and their history in Iran.
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Also, Iran is a third world country with no real industry. Even during Shah's time a lot of "educated" people were leaving Iran. There were so many Iranian students in U.S.A but many were not going back to Iran because there was really no industry to absorb them,

 

[Azizam]

That's right. Mullahs know this fact very well too. I am sure you know that the main supporters of mullahs are from the lower class, and their main problem is with middle and upper class. So, in this way they will increase the percentage of mullah followers(lower class) as well. very good game for mullahs.

From what I know even the majority of younger generation in lower class families don't support the system anymore. Like @al-Hasani said, it is very surprising to see how this small minority is keeping the system by force. As you mentioned, if it's the militias that are hard to overcome, how did the 1979 revolution happened when Shah's police was similar to militias that exist in modern day as it complies with the point of view of most Iranians?

 

[rmi5]

Bad game for Iran I guess.

I suppose they oppose universal, secular education for all Iranians as well?

I can hazard a gues the Mullahs don't exactly live a pious life either. It is just a hunch. You know like the Saudi royals.

Actually, they have decided to give the administration of all schools of Tehran province to Houza(The place that mullahs are trained in it.).
There are many documentaries about mullahs life, and how corrupted they are. I even shame to say some of the aspects of some of their living.

 

[Chronos]

One thing you have to admit that they are genius and plan long term

I wouldn't go that far. I would call it Rat cunning. The same way Mafioso handle business.

Running a country efficiently while looking after their social, economical needs, now that's genius.

Actually, they have decided to give the administration of all schools of Tehran province to Houza(The place that mullahs are trained in it.).
There are many documentaries about mullahs life, and how corrupted they are. I even shame to say some of the aspects of some of their living.

I know this is a very sensitive topic, but do they have abuses going on like Catholic Church?

 

[rmi5]

One thing you have to admit that they are genius and plan long term

They are not genius. Mohammad Reza Shah was a religious and weak man.(He was suffering from a serious cancer as well). But I agree about the plans. Since, the Shia mullahs were dreaming for more than 1000 years for these days.

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You are correct , since 1979 the process of Iranian Jews and Bahai's leaving Iran accelerated.

However, When Israel was created , ALOT of Iranian Jews left Iran. I think most Iranians like to think Iran was some sort of a paradise before 1979. Unfortunately this is NOT true. This way of thinking is very naïve and I don't see it as constructive.

Jewish fashion mogul reveals why his family left Iran in 1950’s | Jewish Journal

Exodus of Iran's Jews - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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For the jews, who are just one of minorities, there was some immigrations before the revolution as well. But, as I told you before, it accelerated a lot after revolution. I had a nice chart showing the immigration statistics, but unfortunately, I could not find it right now. But for Bahais, they almost had not any mass emigration before the revolution.

 

[Sugarcane]

They are not genius. Mohammad Reza Shah was a religious and weak man.(He was suffering from a serious cancer as well). But I agree about the plans. Since, the Shia mullahs were dreaming for more than 1000 years for these days.

I was talking about post revolution era. - I don't go into sect, for me any religious cleric who is using religion as tool for his personal/political gains is in same category be it Shia, Sunni or whatever.

 

[rmi5]

From what I know even the majority of younger generation in lower class families don't support the system anymore. Like @al-Hasani said, it is very surprising to see how this small minority is keeping the system by force. As you mentioned, if it's the militias that are hard to overcome, how did the 1979 revolution happened when Shah's police was similar to militias that exist in modern day as it complies with the point of view of most Iranians?

There was almost no major militia at those time, and Shah almost left the power by his own when he saw that he has a low support among people. You cannot compare a human like Shah, with some little devils like mullahs

I wouldn't go that far. I would call it Rat cunning. The same way Mafioso handle business.

Running a country efficiently while looking after their social, economical needs, now that's genius.

I was talking about post revolution era. - I don't go into sect, for me any religious cleric who is using religion as tool for his personal/political gains is in same category be it Shia, Sunni or whatever.

Actually they have followed their old agenda, and used money to buy people. BTW, I agree with @Ravi Nair 's comment as well, in the below :

I wouldn't go that far. I would call it Rat cunning. The same way Mafioso handle business.

Running a country efficiently while looking after their social, economical needs, now that's genius.