Iran considering ways to boost birth rate

[al-Hasani]

Bad game for Iran I guess.

I suppose they oppose universal, secular education for all Iranians as well?

I can hazard a gues the Mullahs don't exactly live a pious life either. It is just a hunch. You know like the Saudi royals.

The Saudi Arabian royals do not claim to be Muslim "saints" nor do they give themselves any religious titles nor is KSA even a theocracy. Yes, the royals of Saudi Arabia probably live a better life than 99,9% of all humans on this tiny earth but at least they are mostly serving their people and in fact moving their country forward. Can you say the same about the Mullah's bar a few exceptions?

Lastly KSA never claimed to be a Western style democracy.

Not the topic but just had to comment so you know and don't have any illusions.

Of course there is also corruption in KSA, also among the House of Al-Saud but believe it or not but a lot has been done by the government to stop this. KSA also has many problems but I would in all humbleness say that they are significantly lesser than those of Iran and it is not like Iran does not have a potential at all or is some backwater country.

 

[Chronos]

The Saudi Arabian royals do not claim to be Muslim "saints" nor do they give themselves any religious titles nor is KSA even a theocracy. Yes, the royals of Saudi Arabia probably live a better life than 99,9% of all humans on this tiny earth but at least they are mostly serving their people and in fact moving their country forward. Can you say the same about the Mullah's bar a few exceptions?

Lastly KSA never claimed to be a Western style democracy.

Not the topic but just had to comment so you know and don't have any illusions.

Of course there is also corruption in KSA, also among the House of Al-Saud but believe it or not but a lot has been done by the government to stop this. KSA also has many problems but I would in all humbleness say that they are significantly lesser than those of Iran and it is not like Iran does not have a potential at all or is some backwater country.

I guess I should check my words. More nuanced details involved anyway.

 

[al-Hasani]

I guess I should check my words. More nuanced details involved anyway.

The point is that those two "systems" whether one is a fan of one of them or none of them or even both are very different.

Aside from that fact then no country is the same as another. No matter if they are both from the Middle East, nearly neighbors and majority Muslim countries.

Also many of us people that live in the West tend to believe that the only functional system on this planet that all people automatically want is a Western style democracy even forgetting that democracies differ greatly from each other and that ultimately at the end of the day people mostly care about their own small worlds and if the majority of those people's small worlds are satisfied then they could not care less who rules them or what system their state has.

I honestly don't believe that even more than 10% of all Qataris for instance have any problem with living in a monarchy and a non Western style democracy since they more or less have the access to everything people in the West have but live on average a much, much, much richer life. Nor to forget that most are Muslims and thus prefer to live in states were Islam still plays a role.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just saying.

I have personally no problem with democracy but I am not stupid enough to think that it works everywhere and that every person on earth wants that system because people in the West say so.

It reminds me of those people who say that English should be the sole lingua franca of the world…..

 

[Chronos]

Just saying.

I have personally no problem with democracy but I am not stupid enough to think that it works everywhere and that every person on earth wants that system because people in the West say so.

It reminds me of those people who say that English should be the sole lingua franca of the world…..

It works in cultures that have individual freedom emphasised. East Asian nations emphasise discipline, and sacrifice for the greater whole

 

[al-Hasani]

It works in cultures that have individual freedom emphasised. East Asian nations emphasise discipline, and sacrifice for the greater whole

Exactly. That's their kind of democracy and I respect that. Most Chinese people I have spoken to here, those living in China and outside of it, are comfortable and prefer their current system over any other.

My point is that democracy differs greatly and that there is no standard democracy aside from the fundamentals such as certain rights etc. that we as humans by nature want to have.

99,9% of all people living in the West especially local Westerners do not realize all this.

This can personally annoy me from time to time especially if those same individuals will throw words such as "anti-democrat" at you automatically because they can't understand the complexity of this issue.

 

[Chronos]

There was almost no major militia at those time, and Shah almost left the power by his own when he saw that he has a low support among people. You cannot compare a human like Shah, with some little devils like mullahs

This is an interesting piece of trivia, but the Italian Mafiosi, the Camorra and the Ndragheta are actually strict Christians.

Mexican drug traffickers are big believers in La Santa Muerte and Jesus Malverde, a Narco Saint.

I often wondered how you can be a Chrisitan and be part of the Mafia in Italy.

 

[al-Hasani]

This is an interesting piece of trivia, but the Italian Mafiosi, the Camorra and the Ndragheta are actually strict Christians.

Mexican drug traffickers are big believers in La Santa Muerte and Jesus Malverde, a Narco Saint.

I often wondered how you can be a Chrisitan and be part of the Mafia in Italy.

Al-Qaeda and dozens of other militant "Muslim" groups are also strict "Muslims" in name but never in action.

Most of those organizations have their own honors of code. Some have nothing to do with religion while some have religious motives and influences. Overall religion is just used as something cultural. Nothing more nothing less.

All of them are also "worshipping" the big boss of the organization.

You can say the same about all those Latin American gangs.

If you are into organized crime then I can recommend the works of Roberto Saviano.

Roberto Saviano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I consider all that as criminal gangs and semi-cults personally. Dangerous ones too.

But they make good movies and documentaries out of all the above ones.

 

[Chronos]

Exactly. That's their kind of democracy and I respect that. Most Chinese people I have spoken to here, those living in China and outside of it, are comfortable and prefer their current system over any other.

My point is that democracy differs greatly and that there is no standard democracy aside from the fundamentals such as certain rights etc. that we as humans by nature want to have.

99,9% of all people living in the West especially local Westerners do not realize all this.

This can personally annoy me from time to time especially if those same individuals will throw words such as "anti-democrat" at you automatically because they can't understand the complexity of this issue.

There is a lot of disagreement between Indians as to whether we actually benefited from Democracy.

I am mostly sure we did, because without it, a region in India would dominate and other Linguistic groups or religion would come to resent it.

 

[Azizam]

Exactly. That's their kind of democracy and I respect that. Most Chinese people I have spoken to here, those living in China and outside of it, are comfortable and prefer their current system over any other.

My point is that democracy differs greatly and that there is no standard democracy aside from the fundamentals such as certain rights etc. that we as humans by nature want to have.

99,9% of all people living in the West especially local Westerners do not realize all this.

This can personally annoy me from time to time especially if those same individuals will throw words such as "anti-democrat" at you automatically because they can't understand the complexity of this issue.

Totally agree.
Each country has its own political system that is based on the country's historical background, society, demographics and all other conditions that matter. A system that works in one country may not work in another regardless of the similarities that exist if there are any. I also believe personal liberties such as freedom of dress should be protected in a state regardless of the political ideology it affiliated on. (you may not agree with me here).

Here's an interesting video that explains what you said.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

I gold coin every month will be a good motivation for couples...

 

[Resurrection5782]

Most of Iranian out of the country if u ask them they like their goverment or not they will tell u they like their goverment. In Iran too at least 80% of people love their goverment.
Pluse I dont mind any creature is poorer than arab beacause they are slave of the west more than 300 years.

 

[AUz]

I can help Iranian girls if they want more babies

On a serious note: This is a valid concern.

Iranian members here need to understand that a nation like Iran MUST have a fertility rate of atleast 2.2 to 2.5 ....

Iranian government also needs to understand that gold coins won't do shit. They need to provide jobs, housing, resources, educational opportunities, and infrastructure if they want their population to produce more babies.

In an idea world, Iran should be a prosperous nation, very well integrated with the world, and growing at 7+ % and having a fertility rate of 2.5 to 3 babies per girl...

MIGHTY economies like U.S, France, Korea etc can afford to have lower birth rates...but economies like Iran can not. If Iranians sustained a fertility rate of lower than 2.1 for say next 40 years, guess what? All else the same, Iranian society will totally collapse for sure. This is basic economics 101.

 

[500]

I think most Iranians like to think Iran was some sort of a paradise before 1979. Unfortunately this is NOT true.

It was not a paradise, but it was a rapidly growing country with GNP per capita more than S Korea and Chile.

 

[The SiLent crY]

I can help Iranian girls if they want more babies

 

[hussain0216]

The Ayatollah's of Iran play a very smart game, the way they have set up the system is superb even if you dont like them.

The whole reason why the so called green revoloution didnt catch on and take off is because it was only supported by a minority of the more well off

The common man in iran supports the system even if he/they dont think its perfect (which system is??). They are also producing he children, the ayatollah's can maintain this, make life better for the common man & increase their birth rate they are ensuring a powerfull support base especially if the liberal elite types have less children and emigrate