Introducing - JF-17 Thunder Block - II

[Arsalan]

There's no comparison viz-a-viz the F-16 but claiming that the Tejas has a better performance is just a shot in the dark.
We have all seen the JF-17 take off and go vertical even with gear down and then it levels out not because it can't sustain the climb but rather as it reaches it's display altitude....on the contrary the LCA doesn't perform a vertical take off and those claiming need to work on their observation closely.....after getting airborne, the Tejas runs along the runway, gathers power and speed before zooming up. Something which is even often displayed by subsonic machines. And if the performance of the JF-17 is so average then one wonders how it managed to hold more than it's own during recent joint exercises....perhaps the other sides were just feeling generous.

exactly what i am saying!
Plus, JF17 was never meant to be a viz-a-viz comparison to F16. However, we did left that space and did go for the open structure so that if there is a need in the future we can bring JF17 to that level and may be a bit beyond (ie is beyond Blk52) The option is there and when the needs arise we are likely to see steps being taken in that direction. For now the plane offers a more then capable replacement of planes we intended to phase out.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

And if the performance of the JF-17 is so average then one wonders how it managed to hold more than it's own during recent joint exercises....perhaps the other sides were just feeling generous.

what exercises? was it within Pakistan and within PAF Squadrons only? if thats the case then such claim will be dismissed.
even if it was with China since both are co-producers sellers of of this jet.
by the way. its areal performance in airshows far exceeded the expectations and actually caused shock among the professionals of the rival airforce and clear heartache among the troll community (all one billion of it .. including monkeys, dogs and cows)

It is the same case of putting 1.8 Mach on many posters until PAC began posting real 1.6 mac figure for JF-17. 98 KN is just a feel good figure, as ghalib said, "Dil ko behlanay key lye ye khayal acha hai ghalib""

misinformation is a very effective tool and creates the fog of war. keep the haters guessing

 

[Windjammer]

what exercises? was it within Pakistan and within PAF Squadrons only? if thats the case then such claim will be dismissed.
even if it was with China since both are co-producers sellers of of this jet.
by the way. its areal performance in airshows far exceeded the expectations and actually caused shock among the professionals of the rival airforce and clear heartache among the troll community (all one billion of it .. including monkeys, dogs and cows)

BTW, I have also learned that the JF-17 didn't go to Saudia just to perform air display, it actually participated in the Northern Thunder exercise.

Most of you may have seen this video but checkout @1.25....JF-17 executing some serious G manoeuvre.

 

[Tempest II]

Thing i noticed in Pac broucher that engine thrust is 79kn dry to 98 kn
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Can you please share the complete brochure?

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Can you please share the complete brochure?

 

[MastanKhan]

lets face it, PAF is happy because they dont got any other choice so they have to put up the brave face every now and then. You have seen F-16 and JF-17 flypasts, You have seen how JF-17 seems so restricted in its maneuvers vis a vis F-16 maneuvers. Or check the Vertical climb of LCA, can JF do that ? no it breaks the vertical climb in the middle.

There are only two choices for JF. Either WS-13 or RD-93MA. Neither of them coming before 2018 at the very earliest.

Hi,

I would be concerned more about the EW suite and missiles.

American are proving over and over that as long you have a superior EW suite---you have a superior aircraft---.

And to prove that---they have the F35.

And then to top it off---the americans have also shown---it is not only the primary aircraft ( 5th gen ) that is important---it is also the complimentary aircraft / the supporting aircraft that will cause more havoc thru their standoff weapons when they are guided by the primary aircraft.

So---it has become more of a team issue---. What can one team do better than the other team overall. It is not about " that " one pilot anymore---even though it will still be the deciding factor---but it is not about the ONE MAN glory factor.

 

[Tempest II]

Thanks

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

When Stealthy JF17s will appeared ?

 

[Tipu7]

Which ECM you will "recommend" for Blk3?
Chinese BM KG600?
Spanish Indra ECM?
Or any Turkish option from Aselsan?

Hi,

I would be concerned more about the EW suite and missiles.

American are proving over and over that as long you have a superior EW suite---you have a superior aircraft---.

And to prove that---they have the F35.

And then to top it off---the americans have also shown---it is not only the primary aircraft ( 5th gen ) that is important---it is also the complimentary aircraft / the supporting aircraft that will cause more havoc thru their standoff weapons when they are guided by the primary aircraft.

So---it has become more of a team issue---. What can one team do better than the other team overall. It is not about " that " one pilot anymore---even though it will still be the deciding factor---but it is not about the ONE MAN glory factor.

When Stealthy JF17s will appeared ?

There is no "stealthy" Jf17........

Thanks

Don't you think PAF is lying about "many" things regarding Jf17?
Engine Max thrust to name one .......

 

[MastanKhan]

Which ECM you will "recommend" for Blk3?
Chinese BM KG600?
Spanish Indra ECM?
Or any Turkish option from Aselsan?



There is no "stealthy" Jf17........


Don't you think PAF is lying about "many" things regarding Jf17?
Engine Max thrust to name one .......

Hi,

From the known---italian----.

 

[Tempest II]

Don't you think PAF is lying about "many" things regarding Jf17?
Engine Max thrust to name one .......

I think the JF-17 as who the PAF flies it now is different from some of the options in brochures. So Russians are working on the RD-93MA and the WS13E has been certified. Both on offer for the JF-17/FC-1. At PAS15, PAF said the leadtime to deliver to a customer is 18-24 months. I am sure by this time both THE WS13E and RD93MA will be readily available. In this light, the PAF/PAC claims are true.

The issue of options applies to weapons too. Some are available but likely not integrated because it costs money and there is not need to if no customer is interested. Remember the 2-seater materialised because customers needed it.

Below, from United Engine Corperation: The RD-93MA is very much part of the projects

 

[Sinnerman108]

Hi,

I would be concerned more about the EW suite and missiles.

American are proving over and over that as long you have a superior EW suite---you have a superior aircraft---.

And to prove that---they have the F35.

And then to top it off---the americans have also shown---it is not only the primary aircraft ( 5th gen ) that is important---it is also the complimentary aircraft / the supporting aircraft that will cause more havoc thru their standoff weapons when they are guided by the primary aircraft.

So---it has become more of a team issue---. What can one team do better than the other team overall. It is not about " that " one pilot anymore---even though it will still be the deciding factor---but it is not about the ONE MAN glory factor.

What is that you say ?
Team work ?

You believe high school ray ban guys can practice it ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

When Stealthy JF17s will appeared ?

there is no stealth version of JF-17 nor in future

 

[_NOBODY_]

Which ECM you will "recommend" for Blk3?
Chinese BM KG600?
Spanish Indra ECM?
Or any Turkish option from Aselsan?

How about DASS ecm the one which is currently being used on EF Typhoon.
@Bilal Khan 777 @Quwa

 

[Ultima Thule]

How about DASS ecm the one which is currently being used on EF Typhoon.
@Bilal Khan 777 @Quwa

and tell me why UK will share its classified technology to PAKISTAN give me the answer please?