indigenous aircraft carrier Vikrant delivered to Navy

[MH.Yang]

it all depends on the license agreement. The Indians can't export the AL31 FP or locally made Su30 MKI. Neither can the Chinese, the J-11 or anything derived from the Su-27 is poisoned fruit as well. Ditto the Z-20, since it's a copy of the Blackhawk. As for the GT-25000, it depends on the license agreement. If Zorya-Mashproekt signed an unrestricted license agreement handing over the IP, with unrestricted rights to China then you are correct- i'd then consider the GT-25000 Chinese. However, neither of us have access to the signed contract to prove or disprove the other. It is possible that Zorya-Mashproekt have approved export of the turbine in exchange for revenue share, so the export of the turbine does not prove IP ownership.



not really, the turbine is a critical component. PCBs and bolts on the other hand are not and can be alternatively sourced.

China cannot sell J-16D. Does this mean that J-16D is not a domestic fighter? The J-16D is better than all the flankers in Russia!



BTW: China can export GT25000, and you can even buy it directly on the Internet.

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[dbc]

China cannot sell J-16D. Does this mean that J-16D is not a domestic fighter? The J-16D is better than all the flankers in Russia!

I don't usually discuss potential flaws of Chinese fighters on PDF but I will make this one exception. See below image, do you see the fuselage above the wing root of the J11 reinforced with metal panels. Do you know why this is done? This is because the gas injection system frequently goes out of sync with the chambering mechanism of the canon. This causes the round to misfire and strike the fuselage. A design flaw of the original Su-27 inherited by all copies of the original. If the J-11 were truly Chinese this issue would have been addressed instead of "patched" with a clumsy workaround. Do you now appreciate why I do not consider the J-11 Chinese?

 

[SecularNationalist]

76% indigenous component? They pull that figure from the rear, is it?

The engine is US
The radar is from Israel
The sensor is from french

And still not sure it's with or without toilets.

 

[MH.Yang]

I don't usually discuss potential flaws of Chinese fighters on PDF but I will make this one exception. See below image, do you see the fuselage above the wing root of the J11 reinforced with metal panels. Do you know why this is done? This is because the gas injection system frequently goes out of sync with the chambering mechanism of the canon. This causes the round to misfire and strike the fuselage. A design flaw of the original Su-27 inherited by all copies of the original. If the J-11 were truly Chinese this issue would have been addressed instead of "patched" with a clumsy workaround. Do you now appreciate why I do not consider the J-11 Chinese?

I'm talking about J-16. Why do you talk about J-11?

The early J-11 was originally imported from Russia and assembled by itself, similar to the Su-30MKI in India. It's certainly not made in China.

The result of China's first self-improvement of Su-27SK is the J-11A, but there are still many parts from Russia, and of course it is not made in China.

The real domestic product is J11B, all parts are all from China and have been comprehensively improved.

 

[dbc]

I'm talking about J-16. Why do you talk about J-11?

The early J-11 was originally imported from Russia and assembled by itself, similar to the Su-30MKI in India. It's certainly not made in China.

The result of China's first self-improvement of Su-27SK is the J-11A, but there are still many parts from Russia, and of course it is not made in China.

The real domestic product is J11B, all parts are all from China and have been comprehensively improved.

Well it appears the issue I described in my earlier post persists with the J-16.
Unless the GlobalTimes published the wrong image.

PLA aircraft deal with Canadian, Australian provocative close-in recon in East and South China Seas - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

 

[MH.Yang]

Well it appears the issue I described in my earlier post persists with the J-16.
Unless the GlobalTimes published the wrong image.

PLA aircraft deal with Canadian, Australian provocative close-in recon in East and South China Seas - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

Your picture is wrong.


J16

J11B

 

[dbc]

Your picture is wrong.


J16
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er..the gun is on the right - starboard not left port. your image is of the wrong side.

 

[VkdIndian]

And still not sure it's with or without toilets.

Without toilets.

The entire sea is available for the job. Just sit on the edge anywhere and let go.

 

[Beast]

Without toilets.

The entire sea is available for the job. Just sit on the edge anywhere and let go.

Not surprising from Indians shxt. Oops, I mean ship.

 

[MH.Yang]

er..the gun is on the right - starboard not left port. your image is of the wrong side.

okya


now?

 

[dbc]

okya


now?



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the first image yes, and dude there is no gun on the J16 D EW variant...no gun port see below image.

If you want to live in denial it's fine by me.

 

[MilSpec]

The ship was built in 2005, and it took Indians 17 years to build it.

Compare it.

China's 002 CV was started in March 2015 and join the army in December 2019.
China's 003 CV was started in November 2017 and join the army in June 2022.

Why is the army running Carriers? Strange

 

[MH.Yang]

the first image yes, and dude there is no gun on the J16 D EW variant...no gun port see below image.

If you want to live in denial it's fine by me.

What about the first picture?

Instead of using metal plates, it uses high-temperature resistant materials integrated into the fuselage.


High temperature resistant materials should be used at the machine gun position. For example, F15&F16 is also reinforced with high temperature resistant materials at the machine gun position.

 

[dbc]

What about the first picture?

Instead of using metal plates, it uses high-temperature resistant materials integrated into the fuselage.


High temperature resistant materials should be used at the machine gun position. For example, F15&F16 is also reinforced with high temperature resistant materials at the machine gun position.

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I don't know what that image you posted is it doesn't look like an F-15. This is the F-15(see below) besides we don't use gas operated canon on our fighters, ours are electric including the massive canon on the A-10.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Without toilets.

The entire sea is available for the job. Just sit on the edge anywhere and let go.

Yeah just like on the railways tracks of Delhi.
Imagine Su30 taking off on the deck and few indian airmen taking a crap on the edge