India's Naval Massive Modernization Program

[Martian2]

That's why I am saying It will be Reliable

The important point is that Israel does not operate any Aegis-combat ships. That's why I doubt the Israeli system is effective.

You forgot to read the second paragraph. Since Israel doesn't operate Aegis-combat ships, I don't think they have any experience or access to Aegis technology.

The Israeli system looks like an AESA radar cobbled together with their own software.

 

[Firemaster]

You forgot to read the second paragraph. Since Israel doesn't operate Aegis-combat ships, I don't think they have any experience or access to Aegis technology.

Does China have that access ? You should know that Israel has more than China.
By the way What is the range of Chinese Naval AESA Radar up to which it can guide an Air defense Missile?

 

[Martian2]

Does China have that access ?
By the way What is the range of Chinese Naval AESA Radar up to which it can guide an Air defense Missile?

China's Type 052C S-band AESA radar has 450km range.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052C_destroyer#Radar

"Radar

The ship is the first Chinese ship fitted with a multifunction Active Phased Array Radar with four antenna arrays, with a reported name Type 348 Radar. China originally imported a Ukrainian C-band active phased array radar for evaluation, but decided that the radar did not meet the Chinese requirement. Instead, China adopted a domestic S-band multifunction active phased array radar with four antenna arrays. The radar is developed by the Research Institute of Electronic Technology (also more commonly known as the 14th Institute) at Nanjing, Jiangsu province, and it is a successor to the 14th Institute's earlier developed Type H/LJG-346 SAPARS (Shipborne Active Phased Array Radar System) that was completed in 1998. Chinese discovered that the S-band adopted by the American AN/SPY-1 passive phased array could be better suited for the requirements for the active phased array radar as well. The radar has reported name of Type 348 Radar and a maximum range of 450 km, and a maximum resolution of 0.5 metres. However, under an earlier but completely different contract, Ukraine did provide cooling technologies for the antenna to China. According to many Chinese claims on the internet, the name assigned for Type 348 radar is Sea Lion, but others claim the name only applies to the export version."

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On other forums, I have expressed my opinion the Aegis is superior to China's "Magic Shield." The Aegis undergoes constant upgrades and I don't remember the current mod number. China has less years of experience and less installed platforms and therefore, it is in second place.

 

[Firemaster]

China's Type 052C S-band AESA radar has 450km range.

Type 052C destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Radar

The ship is the first Chinese ship fitted with a multifunction Active Phased Array Radar with four antenna arrays, with a reported name Type 348 Radar. China originally imported a Ukrainian C-band active phased array radar for evaluation, but decided that the radar did not meet the Chinese requirement. Instead, China adopted a domestic S-band multifunction active phased array radar with four antenna arrays. The radar is developed by the Research Institute of Electronic Technology (also more commonly known as the 14th Institute) at Nanjing, Jiangsu province, and it is a successor to the 14th Institute's earlier developed Type H/LJG-346 SAPARS (Shipborne Active Phased Array Radar System) that was completed in 1998. Chinese discovered that the S-band adopted by the American AN/SPY-1 passive phased array could be better suited for the requirements for the active phased array radar as well. The radar has reported name of Type 348 Radar and a maximum range of 450 km, and a maximum resolution of 0.5 metres. However, under an earlier but completely different contract, Ukraine did provide cooling technologies for the antenna to China. According to many Chinese claims on the internet, the name assigned for Type 348 radar is Sea Lion, but others claim the name only applies to the export version."

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On other forums, I have expressed my opinion the Aegis is superior to China's "Magic Shield." The Aegis undergoes constant upgrades and I don't remember the current mod number. China has less years of experience and less installed platforms and therefore, it is in second place.

Damn!! 450Km is a freaking range
But still china is less experienced than Israel in AESAs
How much power it needs to operate it in maximum range mode

 

[Henry]

1. It's under construction.

2. You still have less AESA-equipped destroyers than Japan or South Korea.

That places India in last place among major Asian navies.

In fact, during sea trials, Indian battleships that tried trailing Shivalik could not detect it on their radar within a radius of 100 km. Shivalik is one of the heaviest frigates in the world.

It is a 6000 tonne ship and is the largest stealth frigate in the world.

Weapon and Technology: INS 'Shivalik' -- the S-class Stealth Frigate

Kolkata Class Destroyer would be the 2nd Generation of Stealth Frigate and the Largest Stealth Warship in the World at the Time of It's Induction Surpassing the Shivalik.

P17A would be the Third Generation and P15B would be the Fourth Generation of Stealth Reducing the Distance of Being Detected. 1st Generation is Less than 100 Km. Kolkata would be Armed with 120 Km Barak 2 48 VLS and Barak 1 32 VLS.

Plans for P15B include Navalized AAD. Range of 400 Km, Same like AEGIS(Could Take Like 5 Years i.e 2017 When the P15B will be Inducted).

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

1. It's under construction.

2. You still have less AESA-equipped destroyers than Japan or South Korea.

That places India in last place among major Asian navies.

Current IN inventory is more than enough to sink any PLAN fleet in IOR.
AESA is no big deal, normal radar's can detect enemy ships from pretty good range
your attempt of trolling in this thread is failed miserably

 

[Martian2]

Weapon and Technology: INS 'Shivalik' -- the S-class Stealth Frigate

Kolkata Class Destroyer would be the 2nd Generation of Stealth Frigate and the Largest Stealth Warship in the World at the Time of It's Induction Surpassing the Shivalik.

P17A would be the Third Generation and P15B would be the Fourth Generation of Stealth Reducing the Distance of Being Detected. 1st Generation is Less than 100 Km. Kolkata would be Armed with 120 Km Barak 2 48 VLS and Barak 1 32 VLS.

Plans for P15B include Navalized AAD. Range of 400 Km, Same like AEGIS(Could Take Like 5 Years i.e 2017 When the P15B will be Inducted).

If I were you, I wouldn't believe the propaganda on stealth frigates.

Frigates are very large ships. When they move, they leave a wake. This can be seen. Furthermore, large naval vessels have massive engines. They generate a lot of heat and should be easily detectable in infrared.

 

[Devianz]

I will assign a lower effective rating to the Israeli system. The American Aegis-system has been tested and upgraded over decades. The Israeli system sounds completely new and is likely unreliable.

The Aegis is the gold standard. The Israeli system sounds like a cheap unproven knockoff. I think India went with the lowest bidder.

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Aegis Combat System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Aegis Combat System is an integrated naval weapons system developed by the Missile and Surface Radar Division of RCA, and now produced by Lockheed Martin. It uses powerful computers and radars to track and guide weapons to destroy enemy targets.

Initially used by the United States Navy, Aegis is now used also by the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force, Spanish Navy, Royal Norwegian Navy, and Republic of Korea Navy. Over 100 Aegis-equipped ships have been deployed in five navies worldwide. The Royal Australian Navy has selected the Aegis system for placement on its new Air Warfare Destroyers."

Ok, so then American is the best. That means, your list of top navies is nothing but bull crap.
Top 5 navies should be those which have Aegis, followed by those navies having tested and upgraded systems.
Israel has better experience with AESA than china, so next up should be navies with Israeli systems. Oh ****, by your logic China's not even top 10.

 

[Martian2]

Current IN inventory is more than enough to sink any PLAN fleet in IOR.
AESA is no big deal, normal radar's can detect enemy ships from pretty good range
your attempt of trolling in this thread is failed miserably

I don't agree with you. PLAN fleet includes very modern submarines. Indian Navy doesn't stand a chance.

 

[laman12345]

India's Naval Massive Modernization Program is a joke only, it's just a buying foreign weapons + corruption program

 

[Martian2]

Ok, so then American is the best. That means, your list of top navies is nothing but bull crap.
Top 5 navies should be those which have Aegis, followed by those navies having tested and upgraded systems.
Israel has better experience with AESA than china, so next up should be navies with Israeli systems. Oh ****, by your logic China's not even top 10.

China's "Magic Shield" may be slightly less effective than Aegis, but the gap should not be too large. China has seven years of experience in operating its "Magic Shield."

Furthermore, Chinese Type 052Cs are accompanied by submarines. Finally, Chinese Type 052Cs are protected by PLA Navy aircraft. Therefore, PLA Navy is much stronger than Japanese or Korean navies.

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

I don't agree with you. PLAN fleet includes very modern submarines. Indian Navy doesn't stand a chance.

Your post shows how biased you are SO Nobody cares if you agree or not! and don't tell me about those noisy Chinese moderns subs


b/w how many Nuke powred SSK's PLAN got ?

 

[Firemaster]

@ Martian You didn't answer my question
How much power does Type348 need to operate it in maximum range mode

 

[Martian2]

Your post shows how biased you are SO Nobody cares if you agree or not! and don't tell me about those noisy Chinese moderns subs


b/w tell me how many Nuke powred SSK's PLAN got ?

Chinese submarines are not noisy.

The anti-Chinese propaganda gets annoying. I will put up my post on Chinese Song submarines and I will claim near-Western performance unless you can identify a clear technical deficiency.

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Top 6 reasons why Type 039G Song-class submarine is very quiet

"Chinese Type 039G Song-class No. 314 naval submarine docks at the Ngong Shuen Chau naval base in Hong Kong."

1. Modern teardrop hull shape

2. Engine mounted on shock absorbers

3. Anechoic tiles. "Internet-source photos of Type 039s under construction also show Chinese mastery of advanced multi-layer rubber/polymer hull coatings that greatly reduce hull-radiated noise while also limiting the effectiveness of active-sonar detection."

4. "Large asymmetrical seven-bladed skewed propeller" to reduce cavitation

5. Diesel-electric engine design "insulates the noisy diesel engines from the pressure hull, making the submarine quieter." A diesel-electric submarine can "operate virtually silently while on battery power."

6. Tight tolerances during manufacturing by using advanced Chinese 7-axis machine tools. "It probably should be noted that blade noise among Soviet/Russian submarine types dropped dramatically after Japanese electronics company Toshiba and Norwegian company Kongsberg sold advanced milling machinery and control equipment to the USSR in the mid 1980s."

References:

a. Type 039 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [1,2,3]

b. International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > Top Ten Chinese Military Modernization Developments (see section VIII) [3; second sentence]

c. Chinese Navy [3,4]

d. Supercavitating Propeller [4; reduce cavitation]

e. Submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [5; first sentence]

f. http://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=445936 (p. 29) [5; second sentence]

g. HarpGamer > Tactics 101: Anti-Submarine Warfare - Part 3 (see Target Identification) [6; second sentence]

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From my April 14, 2011 post:

China's CKX5680 Digitally Controlled 7-axis Contour Milling Machine

The Wuhan Heavy Industry Corp. just made a breakthrough in an 863 Project. This is the CKX5680 Digitally Controlled 7-axis Contour Milling machine. This is significant as it is specialised in building ship propellers, like this one, for aircraft carriers and submarines. It is much more precise than 5-axis machines.

[Note: Thank you to "pugachev_diver" for the post.]

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Type 039 Song-class submarine with asymmetric seven-bladed skewed propeller to reduce cavitation

 

[Alphacharlie]

India's Naval Massive Modernization Program is a joke only, it's just a buying foreign weapons + corruption program

The best and most well researched post!!!!