India's Muslim politics is shifting course amid Hindu majoritarianism

[achhu]

Shashi Tharoor mother was a christian.

are you hindu ?
she became kshatriya
kshatriya can marry women from any religion , after marriage lady becomes hindu kshatriya .

 

[Cliftonite]

Shashi Tharoor mother was a christian.


Why not ? Hypocrisy is the norm, not the exception.

Here is Sana Khan from Big Boss.

Genius. I can love a cute goat and enjoy a tasty steak at the same time.

We don't feel the need to make mommies out of everything unlike some of you.

 

[Andhadhun]

are you hindu ?
she became kshatriya
kshatriya can marry women from any religion , after marriage lady becomes hindu kshatriya .

lol. What kshtriya ? Nair were considered shudra in kerala caste system.

Genius. I can love a cute goat and enjoy a tasty steak at the same time.

We don't feel the need to make mommies out of everything unlike some of you.

Thank you for proving my point.

You "love" something so much that you are willing to kill them for your satisfaction.

The object of your "love" must feel so lucky. I hope you don't love hindus.

 

[Cliftonite]

lol. What kshtriya ? Nair were considered shudra in kerala caste system.


Thank you for proving my point.

You "love" something so much that you are willing to kill them for your satisfaction.

The object of your "love" must feel so lucky. I hope you don't love hindus.

That's something a sattvic vegetarian like you will never get. Keep doing your havan.

 

[Andhadhun]

That's something a sattvic vegetarian like you will never get. Keep doing your havan.

Actually it is something we understand VERY WELL, without any confusion whatsoever.

Hence Hindutva.

 

[jamahir]

Kashmir is now at par with all indian states , now citizens from all over india can settle in Kashmir , can get service in Kashmir , can do business in kashmir , can make a house in Kashmir.

I agree that in a secular country no one religious community should be allowed to dominate the discourse, whether at state level or country level.

But I want to ask you what you meant by this : "very soon it will come in mainstream of indian states ."

secular parties failed because they were busy in muslim appeasement , they ignored hindus ,

I have heard a lot about this : "Muslim appeasement". I don't know what it is. Can you please explain ?

And how did they ignore Hindus ?

Can a Muslim be a leftist?

A true Muslim is automatically a socialist because True Islam is an older socialist movement. Mullah movements like the Deoband school, the Taliban and the FSA do not represent Islam. You can read this thread of mine, an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha, about socialist activism among modern Muslims ( 1900s onward ) from Russia to Africa to South Asia to Southeast Asia. And you should also read this thread of mine, an article by an Indian Christian woman who married an Indian Muslim under Islamic marriage law because that better secured her socio-economic future in the marriage.

Islam is not another form of prayer, other ritual and dress code ( which things are sadly the defining things for many Muslims now ) but provides the method to effect a progressive welfare state. I have read only a few pages of an English translation of the Quran but as far as I know there is no mention of any specific procedure for prayer ( that we see in mosques now ). Such detail procedure is not presented in detail in the same way the Quran details the method for property inheritance and divorce.

Lastly, I myself have made so many posts declaring myself to be a communist yet am comfortable being a Muslim.

Why not ? Hypocrisy is the norm, not the exception.

My view on The Great One which seems to mirror Arfa's view :

I have a simple understanding of this.

What you would call God ( or Allah ) I call Nature.

The difference is that Nature doesn't bother if someone prays or not. There are simple rules set by Nature. If we fail to follow them we die. For example, if we are in space, which I would call the "real face of Nature", if we don't wear a proper space suit we die a horrible death - our blood exploding through our eyes and ears, we burned or frozen depending on if we are closer or far away from a star. Will we be saved if we pray at this point ??

Where I agree with the Islamic description of Allah is that Nature too is formless and timeless, and its effects are everywhere.

Views such as mine would not have been rare during the Islamic Golden Age.

 

[achhu]

lol. What kshtriya ? Nair were

Nairs are Kshatriya,
If you have any other fact pl give here link .

 

[Cliftonite]

Actually it is something we understand VERY WELL, without any confusion whatsoever.

Hence Hindutva.

Okay. Keep doing your Hindutva. Just keep away from us

 

[achhu]

A true Muslim is automatically a socialist because True Islam is an older socialist movement.

Lastly, I myself have made so many posts declaring myself to be a communist yet am comfortable being a Muslim.

Irony is socialist Muslim like you are hardly more than ten in this whole world. Muslims will not accept you as Muslim .

 

[Andhadhun]

Nairs are Kshatriya,
If you have any other fact pl give here link .

NOPE. As per Kerala own insane "caste" hierarchy,

Nambudri are Brahmins.

Verma's are Kshatriyas.

Nairs are Shudras.

 

[achhu]

NOPE. As per Kerala own insane "caste" hierarchy,

Nambudri are Brahmins.

Verma's are Kshatriyas.

Nairs are Shudras.

Nope
Nairs are kshatriya

 

[Andhadhun]

Nope
Nairs are kshatriya

Nair - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Nambudiri Brahmins were at the top of the ritual caste hierarchy and in that system outranked even the kings. They regarded all Nairs as shudra. Below the Nambudiris came the Tamil Brahmins and other later immigrants of the Brahmin varna.

 

[achhu]

Nair - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Nambudiri Brahmins were at the top of the ritual caste hierarchy and in that system outranked even the kings. They regarded all Nairs as shudra. Below the Nambudiris came the Tamil Brahmins and other later immigrants of the Brahmin varna.

brahmins are all idiots ,
they declared saviour of hindus maratha king shivaji bhosle a sisodia as shudra , marathas discarded such brahmins , invited brahmins of varanasi who did all sanskars of rajyabhishek .

 

[jamahir]

Irony is socialist Muslim like you are hardly more than ten in this whole world.

Not ten really but I agree that progressive activism and thought among Muslims in the current world has reduced a lot. There used to be entire, socialist Muslim-majority countries earlier.

But things are not beyond recovery even if there is a single Muslim socialist. In India there are youth Muslim socialists like Shehla Rashid and older ones like MY Tarigami. This ties in with a resurgence of socialist thought in India. In Pakistan there is the "Leather jacket girl" Arooj Aurangzeb and others like the music band Laal. Even Malala Yousafzai. In Afghanistan there is the SPA ( Solidarity Party of Afghanistan ) despite the presence of the Taliban. In Bangladesh I don't know ( I will call @Bilal9 and @DalalErMaNodi ) but I do know that there is some people-to-people contact with North Korea. In Syria the socialist Baath movement that forms the government has been fighting the nine-year-old international war within its territory to retain the Baath leadership of the country. The Iraqi Baathists too will be fighting to regain Baathist leadership of Iraq or at least to retain an influential position. In Palestine there is the PLO. In Libya there still are the Greens who want to bring back the Jamahiriya. Even in far-flung Venezuela some of the Muslim emigrants got into leftist activism. I quote about a Muslim minister, Tareck El Aissami, in Venezuela's socialist government :

El Aissami was born on 12 November 1974 in El Vigía, Mérida, Venezuela, where he spent his childhood.He is one of five children. His mother, May Maddah de El Aissami, is Lebanese[8][9] while his father, Zaidan El Amin El Aissami, also known as Carlos Zaidan, was a Druze immigrant from Jabal al-Druze in Syria. He was the head of a local Iraqi Ba'athist Party in Venezuela and had connections with leftist political movements in the Middle East. Another family member of El Aissami involved in Ba'athism was his great-uncle, Shibli El Aissami, who was the Assistant Secretary General of the National Command of the Iraqi-dominated Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party.

El Aissami's father supported Hugo Chávez during the February 1992 Venezuelan coup d'état attempt and was arrested. Following the news of his father's arrest and the raiding of his childhood home, seventeen-year-old El Aissami became disillusioned with the state of Venezuela. A quote from his father stuck with El Aissami for life, "No matter what happens, remember the capable men are the ones who write history, the incapable criticize it", with his father referring to Chávez as being able to rewrite history. Following the arrest of El Aissami's father in 1992, his great-uncle Shibli El Aissami retired from politics in Iraq, remaining in the country until the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

There are socialists in Turkey and various parts of Africa ( other than Libya ). I am sure there are Muslim socialists in Russia too. In Europe too there will be, like the writer and historian Tariq Ali.

Muslims will not accept you as Muslim .

Well, these types are outwardly Muslim, fanatically doing the prayer and ritual part and the dress code, but are not very intellectual, are not very aware of the various progressives laws in Islam regarding things that make Islam Islam. Things like laws of inheritance and marriage. I don't consider such ones as truly Muslim. They are embarrassments. They form the agents and saboteurs who do the work of Western intelligence agencies who want to subvert Muslim-majority progressive countries or movements.

 

[Andhadhun]

brahmins are all idiots ,
they declared saviour of hindus maratha king shivaji bhosle a sisodia as shudra , marathas discarded such brahmins , invited brahmins of varanasi who did all sanskars of rajyabhishek .

As usual you are writting rubbish.

Shivaji Maharaj alwasy had Royal blood hailing his ancestory from Sisodiya Rajput clan of Rajsthan. Shivaji was born as Kshatriya. His Kshatriya ancestry was Babaji Bhosale-Maloji Bhosale- Shahaji Bhosale- Shiavji Bhosale.

The orthodox brahmins of Maharashtra opposed Shivaji's coronation because of his sin of " Brahmin hatya" or "brahmin wadh". (killing a brahmin)

Shivaji had killed lawyer of Sultan of Bijapur in his attack on Afjal Khan. This lawyer was Krishnaji Bhaskar who was Brahmin.

Shivaji was asked to perform any shuddhi at Kashi as ShriRam did after killing Rawan(A brahmin).

But shivaji REFUSED and said that a person who is serving enemy who is against his own religion/culture his Brahmin only by his birth not by Karma. Hence the killing of Bhaskar cannot be called Brahmin-wadh.

It is due to this lack of Suddhi ritual that the orthodox Brahmins refused to do the Coronation.

To settle this, Shivaji approched the most respect of all Brahmins, Goga Bhatt in Varanasi and under his instructions DID the Suddhi ritual.

After which he was Cornonated by Goga Bhatt.