India's Demand for Russia to Transfer Tech on PAK FA: Practical or Preposterous?

[Storm Force]

Please go ahead I dare you. You still buy with them top notch stuff. T-90. S-400, ka helix about 400 of them. In fact your heavy armour is 90% of ruskie origin. You need them more than they need you

Sikander my friend its not a DARE YOU ..............ITS a fact ..........ITS HAPPENED already

France won MMRCA $9 billion Russia ditch with their MIG35
France won scorpene sub deal worth $3 billion Amur lost
India cancelled MTA transport programme during AERO INDIA
India BROUGHT 200 engines from General Eclectric to power 120 Tejas mk1/mk1a again RD33 lost
india rejected A SECOND RUSSIAN CARRIER built vikrant in india using western consultants
Israel 7 billion $$ deal with barak 8 to supply 50 indian warships with medium SAMS next decade
India refused FGFA Russian request for $4 billion to help fund indian version of PAK FA
IAF navy trains with USA RAF FRANCE AND ISRAEL last ten years hardly ever with RUSSIA

THE LIST GOES ON ON ON

yes india will induct S400 another Akulla class Subs more T90

but INDIA CHOOSES WHEN WITH WHOM AND HOW

 

[Chhatrapati]

India will pay for part of the development. In return, Russia will build the plane and sell it back to India with limited TOT. But if India is looking for total TOT, Its a pipe dream that will never happen. India will end up waiting in line for F-35 10-20 years down the road while Pakistani stealth fighters roam the skies if India with impunity.

India need to know that it's a technically backward country in the level of Somalia begging Russian assistance with tech support income.

They have not even decided yet. But the Chinese and Pakistanis in here went to gaga mode!

All the stealth fighters are good on paper, but none even battle tested. Not even the combat simulation tests like F-35 have done. So much for stealth.
The Russians are complicated. You never know their strategy.

 

[salarsikander]

Sikander my friend its not a DARE YOU ..............ITS a fact ..........ITS HAPPENED already

France won MMRCA $9 billion Russia ditch with their MIG35
France won scorpene sub deal worth $3 billion Amur lost
India cancelled MTA transport programme during AERO INDIA
India BROUGHT 200 engines from General Eclectric to power 120 Tejas mk1/mk1a again RD33 lost
india rejected A SECOND RUSSIAN CARRIER built vikrant in india using western consultants
Israel 7 billion $$ deal with barak 8 to supply 50 indian warships with medium SAMS next decade
India refused FGFA Russian request for $4 billion to help fund indian version of PAK FA
IAF navy trains with USA RAF FRANCE AND ISRAEL last ten years hardly ever with RUSSIA

THE LIST GOES ON ON ON

yes india will induct S400 another Akulla class Subs more T90

but INDIA CHOOSES WHEN WITH WHOM AND HOW

Pfff please son. Ever heard of akula class? You cannot dictate nor force them. Remember how French dragged you and as a face saving deal you got 36 jet off shelf.

Wth hell is with fake pride and all son.

 

[BHarwana]

India should be worried abt this if Russia said "OK" to this conditions. As we both know this is not going to happen. Russia getting cozy with Pakistan is a pipe dream.
We should glad if tht happen. As both have empty pockets single paymaster.

Why would Russians give India TOT. Indians are US allies and USA will get the design of Russian Tech from India. LOL it would be better for Russia to sell USA the TOT and earn more money. Do you Indians even think before making such requests.

 

[Storm Force]

It is the Russians who are not giving India TOT, Why are you pissed of at Pakistan. Pakistani 5th gen is going to come from China. Now if India goes for USA 5th gen will Inda get TOT?

THE ISSUE WHICH PAKISTANIS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS

Russia wants india to pay $4 billion to help further develop the pak fa TO indian FGFA requirements . This includes new generation TVC engine , better sensor fusion , better stealth featues.. AND if india parts with $4 or $5 billion they want FGFA export rights...

RUSSIA WANTS INDIAN MONEY but not give export rights or technology

Russia wants india to buy and do local assembly to CREAM another $20 billion in sales of 127 jets ..

india knows with out indian MONEY the PAK FA Will be left as half a fighter

RIUSSIAN GDP has shrank they cant afford to development INDIA HAS the funds and the bigger resources to help but india wants something in return

ITS CALLED BIUSINESS

 

[Chhatrapati]

Why would Russians give India TOT. Indians are US allies and USA will get the design of Russian Tech from India. LOL it would be better for Russia to sell USA the TOT and earn more money. Do you Indians even think before making such requests.

F-35 died laughing, reading this. Yeah, we thought out well that Russians are now selling S-400 Triumf. You think if India was some super ally of US. Russia would never sell their primary SAM to India?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Why would Russians give India TOT.

because they are Indians , and for them the Milky way revolves around them ..

 

[Storm Force]

Pfff please son. Ever heard of akula class? You cannot dictate nor force them. Remember how French dragged you and as a face saving deal you got 36 jet off shelf.

Wth hell is with fake pride and all son.

FAKE PRIDE

$2.5 TRILLION GDP ................. Russia willcomr crawling back

OR USA ISRAEL & FRANCE WILL TAKE THE MASSIVE MARKET simples

 

[BHarwana]

THE ISSUE WHICH PAKISTANIS FAIL TO UNDERSTAND IS THIS

Russia wants india to pay $4 billion to help further develop the pak fa TO indian FGFA requirements . This includes new generation TVC engine , better sensor fusion , better stealth featues.. AND if india parts with $4 or $5 billion they want FGFA export rights...

RUSSIA WANTS INDIAN MONEY but not give export rights or technology

Russia wants india to buy and do local assembly to CREAM another $20 billion in sales of 127 jets ..

india knows with out indian MONEY the PAK FA Will be left as half a fighter

RIUSSIAN GDP has shrank they cant afford to development INDIA HAS the funds and the bigger resources to help but india wants something in return

ITS CALLED BIUSINESS

LOL Russians can get 4 to 5 billion investment for PAK from many of More trusted Russian allies and China would Pay Russia 3 times more than India for TOT of any 5th gen Jet. What are the other Indian options for TOT of the 5th gen. Will India get TOT for F-35? Or can India get TOT for J-31.

 

[Storm Force]

THE INDIANS are telling the RUSSIANS their pak fa is poor

NOT good enough for indian future needs

THE RUSSIANS ARE saying pay $5 billion and we willimprove it

INDIA IS SAYING FINE ................HAVE the m oney we want the technology & export rights.

ITS A FAIR DEAL.......

OR india is saying MOVE ON .............SIMPLES find a new partner for FGFA

LOL Russians can get 4 to 5 billion investment for PAK

no offence pakistan you cant find $400 million

$4 billion to paklistan IS LIKE $40 BILLION to India

 

[danger007]

LOL Russians can get 4 to 5 billion investment for PAK from many of More trusted Russian allies and China would Pay Russia 3 times more than India for TOT of any 5th gen Jet. What are the other Indian options for TOT of the 5th gen. Will India get TOT for F-35? Or can India get TOT for J-31.

why would china get involved in every defence deal for Pakistan... i don't understand your logic ...

 

[BHarwana]

no offence pakistan you cant find $400 million

$4 billion to paklistan IS LIKE $40 BILLION to India

Oh, sorry I should have told you the News before.
Idex 2017: UAE and Russia to develop fighter jet
http://www.thenational.ae/business/economy/idex-2017-uae-and-russia-to-develop-fighter-jet

why would china get involved in every defence deal for Pakistan... i don't understand your logic ...

China will not get involved for Pakistan but China will get involved for India. Pay Russians 4 to 5 billion and just tell Russia they cannot sell to India well in that case India will have only one option left to go to USA and in that case you all know how expensive f-35 is and thus India will lose Russia for ever.

 

[salarsikander]

FAKE PRIDE

$2.5 TRILLION GDP ................. Russia willcomr crawling back

OR USA ISRAEL & FRANCE WILL TAKE THE MASSIVE MARKET simples

Yet still under top major importers.

THE INDIANS are telling the RUSSIANS their pak fa is poor

NOT good enough for indian future needs

THE RUSSIANS ARE saying pay $5 billion and we willimprove it

INDIA IS SAYING FINE ................HAVE the m oney we want the technology & export rights.

ITS A FAIR DEAL.......

OR india is saying MOVE ON .............SIMPLES find a new partner for FGFA




no offence pakistan you cant find $400 million

$4 billion to paklistan IS LIKE $40 BILLION to India

Sure France will help you with stealth or USA

 

[Storm Force]

is a nothing THREAD.

pak fa from Russoia in its current form is some aspects inferior to the new Rafales that are coming to india.

AND india has its hands full trying to induct

123 Tejas between now 2024
36 rafales between 2019-2021
40 su30mki of the 272 order factory closing in 2020

That's means PAK FA or FGFA is not a priority

 

[BHarwana]

is a nothing THREAD.

pak fa from Russoia in its current form is some aspects inferior to the new Rafales that are coming to india.

AND india has its hands full trying to induct

123 Tejas between now 2024
36 rafales between 2019-2021
40 su30mki of the 272 order factory closing in 2020

That's means PAK FA or FGFA is not a priority

No that is like a some sensible talk 5 th gen is for advanced nations.