India's 2nd air craft carrier would be, of Catobar Type.

[arp2041]

@arp2041 Sorry, I thought I can tell. My Mistake.

That's the point, we will go for it, if the strings attached are reasonable, but if they limit INs operational capabilities, we won't accept it of course (btw I doubt that rumor about not using it in wars).
The switch to catapults is necessary to get the most out of the carrier, since with the ski-jump config, fighters can take off only with limited loads and must have certain thrust capabilities itself, just like AEW aircrafts can be VTOL only. So it's not about the size of the carrier, but the operational effectivity. It needs to be seen for example, with what kind of loads the J15 will be able to take off, compared to a land based J11, or to a F18SH.

@sancho that is not a RUMOR, but it was pointed out by none other than the CAG in his report:

The CAG has found that the vessel can’t be used in a war according to terms of the contract and the US can conduct checks on the vessel anytime.

The "Growing" Indian Military might

IN only bought that ship b'coz it was offered for 10% of original price at the time & it was finding itself short of capabilities in addressing the issue of natural disasters like the Tsunami of 2004.

 

[Skull and Bones]

IAC-2 will be nuclear powered carrier with F-18SH/F-35.

 

[asad71]

1st - Doing see trials in Russia.

2nd - Advanced stages of project completion.

3rd - Work started according to reports.

All Russian origin?

 

[sancho]

All Russian origin?

No, only the Gorshkov, the others will be developed and build in India.

 

[Anony]

Very unlikley. The AMCA is going to first be an AF-specific a/c so even at the most optimistic estimates the AF version will be in flight testing by ~2022-4. The work to "navalise" the AMCA will take quite a bit longer and whilst some of the lessons from the N-LCA can be applied to expedite the N-AMCA process there will still have to be a lot of learning and trail and error as some of the tech and design requirements will be brand new to the ADA/HAL ie launching a fighter from a catapult that requires strentghing of the forward fuselage so the plane isn't ripped to shreds on take-off, not to mention the AMCA will be twin engined and will have stealth features which bring about their own unique challenges.



Ideally, and I think @sancho has championed this, the AMCA would be built from the ground up as a naval-specific fighter which can later have an AF variant, much like the Super Hornets and Hornets before them (in their current form, not mentioning the time the F-18 bid and lost to the F-16 for the USAF). It has been proven to be much easier to make a naval fighter AF compliant than the other way around, the N-LCA and never-to-be Sea-Typhoon are proof of this.


IIRC the chief test pilot of the N-LCA said as much in an Aero India seminar talk in 2011.



As such it is between the N-MMRCA and N-FGFA to fly off the IAC-2 IMHO. However it remains to be seen whether the FGFA can easily be modified into a CATOBAR-complaint fighter as traditionally the Russians have designed their naval fighters to be STOBAR-configured so if this is what has been planned for the PAK-FA/FGFA naval variants then it is,again, likely going to be an uphill battle to make the FGFA navailised and able to operate off the IN's CATOBAR carriers.


We will first have to wait for this news (65,000+ ton CATOBAR-configured ACC) to be confirmed then have to wait and see what way the IN are looking as far as air group is concerned. On this front we should also watch for any developments interest in purchasing embarked AWACS.

Agreed with your point. But IAC-2 will remain in operation atleast till 2060 and beyond and thus India will not be thinking of flying the 4th gen fighter till then. Coming to delay in N-AMCA that may happen, yet I think by 2030 even N-AMCA will be ready which is very realistic time. But if you are considering that even IAC-2 can enter into operation 3-4 year late because of delay. So these will very well match one-another operational timeline. And even if N-AMCA get delayed by 4-5 years and IAC-2 get ready on time, I think it is wise to wait for that small period than to invest in some new 4.5 gen fighters and waste a lot of $$.

And remember we are talking about post 2025, Russia has never announced that it will keep operating STOBAR type carrier for it's life. When China, India, Japan all are moving towards CATOBAR type, Russia will follow or they may have already started. As Russia is not a democratic country, so they don't leak out every bit of information in public.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Agreed with your point. But IAC-2 will remain in operation atleast till 2060 and beyond and thus India will not be thinking of flying the 4th gen fighter till then. Coming to delay in N-AMCA that may happen, yet I think by 2030 even N-AMCA will be ready which is very realistic time. But if you are considering that even IAC-2 can enter into operation 3-4 year late because of delay. So these will very well match one-another operational timeline. And even if N-AMCA get delayed by 4-5 years and IAC-2 get ready on time, I think it is wise to operate Mig-29k from it's deck for that small period than to invest in some new 4.5 gen fighters and waste a lot of $$.

Mate, the MIG-29Ks will not be able to operate off CATOBAR-configured carriers. The IAC-2 will be in serive in ~2023/4 for sure. Now it would be an almost unthinkable situation where the IN has a 65,000+ ton multi-billion USD carrier in service but with no fighters to fly off them!
@sancho what are your feelings on the IAC-2's air group if we are know taking it as a given it will be CATOBAR-configured? I'd for sure like to see the E-2D and Rafale-M. F-35 is too limited and the Rafale-M offers more advantage to India than the F-18SH (yet ANOTHER fighter in Indian service )

 

[selvan33]

IAC-2 will be nuclear powered carrier with F-18SH/F-35.

no IAC2 will be conventionally powered.

 

[Rajesh_Singh1984]

What the Fuc*, we still trying to making AC-1 and talking about AC-2. we all don't know, when AC-1 will be inducted in Indian navy. I think after delay-delay-delay-delay.... will be inducted in 2020.

I am not against for planning and other important pre-work but at least 1 project should be on right track and if problem is there than we should resolve first. if everything fine than we should planning and developing infrastructure for second project.

Now what is happening only we talking and planning .....talking and planning........talking and planning .....talking and planning........................................................... Doing like hell

 

[Abingdonboy]

What the Fuc*, we still trying to making AC-1 and talking about AC-2. we all don't know, when AC-1 will be inducted in Indian navy. I think after delay-delay-delay-delay.... will be inducted in 2020.

I am not against for planning and other important pre-work but at least 1 project should be on right track and if problem is there than we should resolve first. if everything fine than we should planning and developing infrastructure for second project.

Now what is happening only we talking and planning .....talking and planning........talking and planning .....talking and planning........................................................... Doing like hell

Latest info I've heard is that IAC-1 will being sea trails in late 2018 or early 2019.

 

[Rajesh_Singh1984]

I agree.............. but important thing is..................Do u believe?

Because I am not

 

[Anony]

What the Fuc*, we still trying to making AC-1 and talking about AC-2. we all don't know, when AC-1 will be inducted in Indian navy. I think after delay-delay-delay-delay.... will be inducted in 2020.

I am not against for planning and other important pre-work but at least 1 project should be on right track and if problem is there than we should resolve first. if everything fine than we should planning and developing infrastructure for second project.

Now what is happening only we talking and planning .....talking and planning........talking and planning .....talking and planning........................................................... Doing like hell

If go by your logic of 1 after another, IAC-2 will not become ready for service before 2035. So as not to get delayed on the ambitious project, it is important to have a concrete plan in place and also to develop simultaneously.

 

[IndoUS]

IAC-2 will be nuclear powered carrier with F-18SH/F-35.

It was reported earlier I believe that both the First and Second IAC will be conventional. Maybe after we have experience with Arihant and with building the IAC I and II we might go for a nuclear powered IAC-III. But that is also to far in the future. Plus there is also lack on information on IAC II so you never know if the navy switches its plan and goes for a nuclear carrier.

 

[Rajesh_Singh1984]

If go by your logic of 1 after another, IAC-2 will not become ready for service before 2035. So as not to get delayed on the ambitious project, it is important to have a concrete plan in place and also to develop simultaneously.

I didn'y say that we should not plan but if your 1st project still long way to go than 1st correct all things for 1st project and timeline should be proper and perfect. if it's all going as planning than u can prepare and study for second project. if all goes well than u can start 2 project before 1 project finish........................... that's it

 

[Skull and Bones]

no IAC2 will be conventionally powered.

As of now, that's the buzz. But you never know, at first IAC-2 was touted to have same tonnage as IAC-1.

 

[selvan33]

I didn'y say that we should not plan but if your 1st project still long way to go than 1st correct all things for 1st project and timeline should be proper and perfect. if is all going as planning than u can prepare and study for second project. if all goes well than u can start 2 project before 1 project finish........................... that's it

if you think like this you then you can't take your nation's security into next stage. and who said to you that problem is going on with vikrant. all the main problems that include production of ABA high grade tensile steel,gear box,engine delivery all are sorted out. now the consruction is smoothly going on. you can see your iac1 sea trials in early or mid 2018.