Indian Tactical Missiles(Must Read)

[Contrarian]

Malay, I have admitting according to wikipedia.

No problems mate, just dont ever use Wikipedia for references and if you do, check out the sources at the end of their page, if you think they are correct, only then quote them.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Come on you guys!

Why you want to support a thing which is not true!

The basic concept of Akash is from the SA-6a and the difference is only that it has an effective range equal to that of SA-8.

SA-8 is also not a system to be very very sentimental about!

 

[Flintlock]

Come on you guys!

Why you want to support a thing which is not true!

The basic concept of Akash is from the SA-6a and the difference is only that it has an effective range equal to that of SA-8.

SA-8 is also not a system to be very very sentimental about!

Then don't get sentimental rite. Underestimate the enemy as usual.

 

[su-47]

Come on you guys!

Why you want to support a thing which is not true!

The basic concept of Akash is from the SA-6a and the difference is only that it has an effective range equal to that of SA-8.

SA-8 is also not a system to be very very sentimental about!

dude, read the whole article on akash from janes defence. its generations ahead of SA-6a. The system is similar in appearance, but is an entirely new, more advanced system altogether. Akash is designed to replace the SA-6a.

if you want to keep arguing your case please come up with a reliable link that says it is an upgraded SA-6a.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Cannot prove that it is a Upgraded SA-6a or SA-8 variant but one thing is for sure that India is not capable in the field of SAMs and has not infrustructure what so ever to indegiously produce such a missile system.

The case is similar to Brahamos.

 

[su-47]

Cannot prove that it is a Upgraded SA-6a or SA-8 variant but one thing is for sure that India is not capable in the field of SAMs and has not infrustructure what so ever to indegiously produce such a missile system.

The case is similar to Brahamos.

India has just proven to the world that they can make multi-targeting state-of-the-art SAMs. I have given you proof that it is notan upgraded russian missile, but a new one. You cant prove that it is not an upgraded on SA-6 or SA-8. after all this, if you are still refusing to believe, then i'm not going to waste any more time.

find peace in your belief that india cant make a SAM.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

It is not a believe but reality!

Just like Brahamos!

 

[su-47]

Brahmos was a joint venture between India and Russia and no Indian claims it is indegenous. just coz we couldnt make a supersonic cruise missile by ourselves doesnt mean we cant make any missiles.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

Not a SAM of SLAMRAAM Class.

No Way!

 

[Surya]

Cannot prove that it is a Upgraded SA-6a or SA-8 variant but one thing is for sure that India is not capable in the field of SAMs and has not infrustructure what so ever to indegiously produce such a missile system.

The case is similar to Brahamos.

Akash took almost 25 years to be developed. Do you think if it was Russian collaboration or a mere improvement or their assistance, it would have taken this long? Compare it to Brahmos where the missile is already in service and it has been just 10 odd years of the project. I hope you can now use your common sense to decide if it was a collaboration or indigenous effort.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

akash is not an improved SA-6.
in short, the missile system on the outside resembles the SA-6, but is much more advanced and efficient. you cant compare it to the SA-6 just coz it looks similar.

I just had to comment on this, because for the longest time, given the close cooperation between Pakistan and China, the external similarities between the two nation's missiles continuously gave rise to accusations from Indians about "Pakistan building Chinese clones". Just the wheel coming full circle, with us pointing out the collaborative efforts of India with various countries and similarities between products.

On the issue of "indigenous" - most of India's recent breakthroughs have come about after close cooperation with the Israelis (the LRTR and other technology used in its ABM systems) as well as the successful collaboration with the Russians in producing the Yukhont clone (Brahmmos), which probably was instrumental in honing the "ramjet technology" and related guidance systems.

There is nothing about "underestimating your opponent" - that the Indian organizations benefited from cooperation with the Israelis and Russians to advance their "tactical missile program" does not take anything away from the fact that they possess those missiles, but this whole "indigenous" business needs to be dropped. The linkage between various collaborative projects and the "sudden success" (after 25 years in some cases) is pretty obvious.

 

[con]

I just had to comment on this, because for the longest time, given the close cooperation between Pakistan and China, the external similarities between the two nation's missiles continuously gave rise to accusations from Indians about "Pakistan building Chinese clones". Just the wheel coming full circle, with us pointing out the collaborative efforts of India with various countries and similarities between products.

On the issue of "indigenous" - most of India's recent breakthroughs have come about after close cooperation with the Israelis (the LRTR and other technology used in its ABM systems) as well as the successful collaboration with the Russians in producing the Yukhont clone (Brahmmos), which probably was instrumental in honing the "ramjet technology" and related guidance systems.

There is nothing about "underestimating your opponent" - that the Indian organizations benefited from cooperation with the Israelis and Russians to advance their "tactical missile program" does not take anything away from the fact that they possess those missiles, but this whole "indigenous" business needs to be dropped. The linkage between various collaborative projects and the "sudden success" (after 25 years in some cases) is pretty obvious.

One of the reason Akash took such a long time was issues with developing it's Ramjet engine. Brahmos development started AFTER Akash was already test fired. Akash does not have any onboard guidance system,hence they is no case of help due to Brahmos guidance.
The jewel in the Akash system is not the missile, it is the integrated radar system. IAF delayed the user acceptance test for several years. It was only recently they did and hence "sudden success" thing.

As far as the LRTR is concerned, it would never have been possible had DRDO not developed Akash radar system. It is obvious that if DRDO does not even a faintest idea about radars, it was no use Israel co-developing a improved version of Greenpine.
DRDO never claimed LRTR was fully developed in house. They are open about the co-operation with Israel. However the components for LRTR are produced in-house. India cannot use Greenpine components because of the simple fact that they are American systems, and embargo will be placed irrespective of the recent "love-love" relation b/w US and India.Do you think Americans will allow US tech to transfered to India and they dont even get a penny!

There are nothing preventing DRDO to claim the FCR was it's own. However they have said without hesitation that it was developed with the help of the French.

DRDO has given due respect to it's partners where co-development is involved. Hence if it claims something is indigenous, I would say they are telling the truth.

 

[su-47]

I just had to comment on this, because for the longest time, given the close cooperation between Pakistan and China, the external similarities between the two nation's missiles continuously gave rise to accusations from Indians about "Pakistan building Chinese clones". Just the wheel coming full circle, with us pointing out the collaborative efforts of India with various countries and similarities between products.

On the issue of "indigenous" - most of India's recent breakthroughs have come about after close cooperation with the Israelis (the LRTR and other technology used in its ABM systems) as well as the successful collaboration with the Russians in producing the Yukhont clone (Brahmmos), which probably was instrumental in honing the "ramjet technology" and related guidance systems.

There is nothing about "underestimating your opponent" - that the Indian organizations benefited from cooperation with the Israelis and Russians to advance their "tactical missile program" does not take anything away from the fact that they possess those missiles, but this whole "indigenous" business needs to be dropped. The linkage between various collaborative projects and the "sudden success" (after 25 years in some cases) is pretty obvious.

one of the reasons indian projects keep getting delayed is that the armed forces keep changing their requirements. lack of funds and experience intially delay the project a little, and then the armed forces change their requirements suddenly, making it harder for DRDO to fulfill those requirements. take arjun. it was supposed to be a medium tank with a 105 mm gun when the project started out. army changed requirements when it was nearly ready, and DRDO was forced to increase armour on the tank and develop a 120 mm rifled gun. so it was like starting a whole new tank again. only the name remained same.

as for russian and israeli collaboration, there is no doubt that those collaborations helped indian projects. the main reason for collaboration was to fill the technological and experience gap between indian scientists and israeli scientists, and enable our scientists to create world class weaponry. we certainly gained from those JVs and have definitely used the experience and expertise gained to furhter our indegenous products.

but to say that our home-grown products are not indegenous is absurd. imagine you wanted a garden, but were unable to grow the necessary plants coz you didnt know how to. you learn gardening from an expert gardener and then try again and succeed. does it mean the garden you made is not yours? that it wasnt your effort which culminated in a beautiful garden?

we did JVs to furhter our knowledge.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

I just had to comment on this, because for the longest time, given the close cooperation between Pakistan and China, the external similarities between the two nation's missiles continuously gave rise to accusations from Indians about "Pakistan building Chinese clones". Just the wheel coming full circle, with us pointing out the collaborative efforts of India with various countries and similarities between products.

On the issue of "indigenous" - most of India's recent breakthroughs have come about after close cooperation with the Israelis (the LRTR and other technology used in its ABM systems) as well as the successful collaboration with the Russians in producing the Yukhont clone (Brahmmos), which probably was instrumental in honing the "ramjet technology" and related guidance systems.

There is nothing about "underestimating your opponent" - that the Indian organizations benefited from cooperation with the Israelis and Russians to advance their "tactical missile program" does not take anything away from the fact that they possess those missiles, but this whole "indigenous" business needs to be dropped. The linkage between various collaborative projects and the "sudden success" (after 25 years in some cases) is pretty obvious.

I agree with you AM and that is what i meant mostly in other posts against Akash!

Furthermore, rest assured that some people posting it as a evolution of SAM or something live in fools paradise. Not even close to MBDA SPADA 2000 system Pakistan has procured. ASPIDE 2000 missile has an excellent Intercept range of over 20 kM.

Yet people are calling it Top of Notch and comparing with SLAMRAAM and Patriot. .....

 

[su-47]

I agree with you AM and that is what i meant mostly in other posts against Akash!

Furthermore, rest assured that some people posting it as a evolution of SAM or something live in fools paradise. Not even close to MBDA SPADA 2000 system Pakistan has procured. ASPIDE 2000 missile has an excellent Intercept range of over 20 kM.

Yet people are calling it Top of Notch and comparing with SLAMRAAM and Patriot. .....

Spada 2000 and Akash both have multi-targeting, 20+ km range. akash has solid fuel which enables it to get a higher kill probability. now tell me, how is Spada 2000 superior?

you are the one living in fool's paradise, secure in your belief that india cant ever make a world class weapon.