Indian Navy still have eyes on F-35

[Mr.S.Singh]

Rafale is out of consideration guys, It cannot have fold-able wings
i see PAK-FA in it, F-35 highly unlikely because we would face integration problems
C-130 and C-17 in IAF come without american communication system because we refuse to sign the dotted lines
Apache i think we have agreed because of their advanced sensors

 

[That Guy]

Have you seen PN's or PAF's budget

Yes, and they're terrible, but that doesn't mean it won't change in the future. Today's realities don't necessarily mean that they're tomorrow's realities.

well we are involved in Russian 5th gen development. .. and IN is no threat to EU... so you can exclude them .... I think IN should acquire E-MALS tech for the next CBG in IAC-2 ... 60-70 k ton with 5th gen fighter will add more lethality to IN...

Yeah, I think you need to re-read my comment.

The Russians are working on a 5th gen, yes, but they've made their intentions clear that they would like to see an export variant. If, by the time the export variant is developed, a nation like Bangladesh's financial situation has improved, you could see them opt for a Russian 5th gen.

I also meant that the EU may be willing to sell counter 5th gen tech to nations that surround India (maybe as a means of containing China, but it would also affect India as well), not that the EU would field the tech itself against India.

But that's just me speculating. Likely, none of this will happen, and we probably won't see an F-35 in India, at least not any time soon.

 

[danger007]

Yes, and they're terrible, but that doesn't mean it won't change in the future. Today's realities don't necessarily mean that they're tomorrow's realities.


Yeah, I think you need to re-read my comment.

The Russians are working on a 5th gen, yes, but they've made their intentions clear that they would like to see an export variant. If, by the time the export variant is developed, a nation like Bangladesh's financial situation has improved, you could see them opt for a Russian 5th gen.

I also meant that the EU may be willing to sell counter 5th gen tech to nations that surround India (maybe as a means of containing China, but it would also affect India as well), not that the EU would field the tech itself against India.

But that's just me speculating. Likely, none of this will happen, and we probably won't see an F-35 in India, at least not any time soon.

BD not possible. . There is possibility to go for 5th gen fighter ... what type of tech that EU will sell to Indian neighbourhood. .. many countries in EU involved in F -35. .. why would they give such sensitive weapons to dig their own grave ... Russian jet to Pak or BD forget about it...

 

[That Guy]

BD not possible. . There is possibility to go for 5th gen fighter ... what type of tech that EU will sell to Indian neighbourhood. .. many countries in EU involved in F -35. .. why would they give such sensitive weapons to dig their own grave ... Russian jet to Pak or BD forget about it...

This is a future scenario, not current, so your logic doesn't apply. By the time India sees it's first 5th gen plane inducted, a lot of things could very well change.

 

[jha]

This seems to be pure imagination from writer right now but may very well turn out to be true.
GD has already briefed IN in detail about EMAL and IN is very impressed with the capability. Next line of Carriers has every possibility of being fitted with EMALs as having Catapult will also ensure that AEW planes like E2D can be launched from carrier. So having F-35 on such a carrier which has EMALs and E2D and/or Osprey makes every sense. Will be nice upgrade to IN's capabilities.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Wrt the F35, it's not the limited capability and problems of the fighter alone that makes it a bad choice, but also the restrictions and operational limitations that comes with it. IN would be highly limited and that's clearly not good for India.

Anything that comes from the US is with strings attached, that's why we have to see to get the most effective solution, that gives us enough value for the strings. F35 will obviously come with higher strings and high costs, which is why I prefer this one for the navy, if we have to buy something from the US to get catapults:

Catapult capable - check
Twin seaters - check
Folding wings - check
Full internal fuel carriage - check
At least partial internal weapon carriage like the F35 - check (both will carry IR missiles with strike configs externally)
Advanced cockpit - check
Advanced EW - check (although not at the level of Rafale and F35)

Be it per unit or per operational hour cost, this should be the most cost-effective catapult capable solution, which operationally offers more advantages over the Rafale, while being close enough to the F35 and the licence production of GE 414 engines in India will already be established.

But the Super Hornet is not a fighter that has the same growth potential as the F-35 nor is is a next generation platform (as much as Boeing like to dress her up). The IN does need to be looking at future proof machines and there are only 2 such platforms available- the F-35C and N-FGFA, the latter is a non-starter as I have doubts it will ever be able to take off from catapults, which leaves the F-35C unfortunately.

Yes, and they're terrible, but that doesn't mean it won't change in the future. Today's realities don't necessarily mean that they're tomorrow's realities.


Yeah, I think you need to re-read my comment.

The Russians are working on a 5th gen, yes, but they've made their intentions clear that they would like to see an export variant. If, by the time the export variant is developed, a nation like Bangladesh's financial situation has improved, you could see them opt for a Russian 5th gen.

I also meant that the EU may be willing to sell counter 5th gen tech to nations that surround India (maybe as a means of containing China, but it would also affect India as well), not that the EU would field the tech itself against India.

But that's just me speculating. Likely, none of this will happen, and we probably won't see an F-35 in India, at least not any time soon.

The Indians would have a say in any such 3rd party sales just like it does with the Bhramos. You don't pay 5-% of the development costs with no inbuilt clauses of such.

 

[That Guy]

But the Super Hornet is not a fighter that has the same growth potential as the F-35 nor is is a next generation platform (as much as Boeing like to dress her up). The IN does need to be looking at future proof machines and there are only 2 such platforms available- the F-35C and N-FGFA, the latter is a non-starter as I have doubts it will ever be able to take off from catapults, which leaves the F-35C unfortunately.


The Indians would have a say in any such 3rd party sales just like it does with the Bhramos. You don't pay 5-% of the development costs with no inbuilt clauses of such.

Who says I'm talking about the FGFA? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Russians were planning on building a variant on their T-50 prototype for export that didn't involve India, as India has already said it is unwilling for the FGFA to be exported to other foreign nations.

 

[danger007]

This is a future scenario, not current, so your logic doesn't apply. By the time India sees it's first 5th gen plane inducted, a lot of things could very well change.

the logic does ... If we are threat to EU or NATO members. . US will not sell such formidable platforms. .. neither EU will not sit back. ... IAC 2 may role out in Decade ... are you gonna say after 2 decades????

Who says I'm talking about the FGFA? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Russians were planning on building a variant on their T-50 prototype for export that didn't involve India, as India has already said it is unwilling for the FGFA to be exported to other foreign nations.

we are involved in T 50 .... without mutual agreement there is no way Russia going to sell our next door ...

 

[That Guy]

the logic does ... If we are threat to EU or NATO members. . US will not sell such formidable platforms. .. neither EU will not sit back. ... IAC 2 may role out in Decade ... are you gonna say after 2 decades????

Yeah, I don't really know what you're trying to say, can you repeat that?

we are involved in T 50 .... without mutual agreement there is no way Russia going to sell our next door ...

No, India is involved with the FGFA, not the T-50. The FGFA is a direct variant of the T-50, which is meant for India.

 

[haman10]

indian navy should be joking

F-35 is a mere joke

pierre sprey , the designer of F-16 and A-10 explains why :

if i was indian , i would wait for the naval version of PAK-FA . cause that plane is simply awesome

No, India is involved with the FGFA, not the T-50. The FGFA is a direct variant of the T-50, which is meant for India.

u dont say ?

 

[Echo_419]

Yes, and they're terrible, but that doesn't mean it won't change in the future. Today's realities don't necessarily mean that they're tomorrow's realities.


Yeah, I think you need to re-read my comment.

The Russians are working on a 5th gen, yes, but they've made their intentions clear that they would like to see an export variant. If, by the time the export variant is developed, a nation like Bangladesh's financial situation has improved, you could see them opt for a Russian 5th gen.

I also meant that the EU may be willing to sell counter 5th gen tech to nations that surround India (maybe as a means of containing China, but it would also affect India as well), not that the EU would field the tech itself against India.

But that's just me speculating. Likely, none of this will happen, and we probably won't see an F-35 in India, at least not any time soon.

Not altest in the next 5 years,any further increment in the Defense Budget will go towards the army for it's operational needs in Pakistan

 

[kurup]

Now they started EMALS developments, for their future carriers, but as said, only for the take off of AEW aircrafts or UCAVs, not for fighters.

If larger aircrafts can be launched by catapult why not fighters ??

 

[illusion8]

Who says I'm talking about the FGFA? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Russians were planning on building a variant on their T-50 prototype for export that didn't involve India, as India has already said it is unwilling for the FGFA to be exported to other foreign nations.

FGFA is a Indo Russ joint fifth gen fighter program which is the parent program - T-50 is just the prototype, two versions of the 5th gen are being developed - one will be called the PAKFA for the Russian airforce and another one will be the Indian version with Indian requirements.

 

[That Guy]

FGFA is a Indo Russ joint fifth gen fighter program which is the parent program - T-50 is just the prototype, two versions of the 5th gen are being developed - one will be called the PAKFA for the Russian airforce and another one will be the Indian version with Indian requirements.

Thank you for correcting my little mistake.

Not altest in the next 5 years,any further increment in the Defense Budget will go towards the army for it's operational needs in Pakistan

Make that 10. I doubt PA's budget is going to increase for newer gadgets for at least another 10 years, unless it's urgently needed.

 

[illusion8]

Yes, and they're terrible, but that doesn't mean it won't change in the future. Today's realities don't necessarily mean that they're tomorrow's realities.


Yeah, I think you need to re-read my comment.

The Russians are working on a 5th gen, yes, but they've made their intentions clear that they would like to see an export variant. If, by the time the export variant is developed, a nation like Bangladesh's financial situation has improved, you could see them opt for a Russian 5th gen.

FGFA - (Fifth generation fighter program) involves production of two variants - one for the Russian air force and the other for the IAF, both airforce's requirements is 500 airframes which includes both variants. I doubt there will be any considerations for exports after the production of 500 airframes and even if there is one - the Russians intend HAL to manufacture them.