Indian naval aerial arm will stretch Pakistani air force

[Abingdonboy]

I don't want to troll but what did you do with East Pakistan... remember?, what are you doing now with Balochistan..., Pakistani Taliban, i reckon it is rather your country that would not let us live. Oh yeah and by the way does Afghanistan need sophisticated toys to kick the American out? Just look and watch. These things don't mean anything. You're just trying an excuse to avoid something good from happening. I can go on forever but it has no good outcome. I sometimes think why some people are so negative...

Oh for God's sake!!! Provide ONE, SINGLE SOURCE of Indian involvement in Pakistani instability (that is not Pakistani in origin). You people love you conspiracy theories and passing the buck, don't you? Just because YOUR COUNTRY uses such dastardly means as foreign policy doesn't mean everyone else does too. If you like I will give you HUNDREDS of AUTHENTIC, OBJECTIVE links that show Pakistan's involvement in terrorism.


I can't see a need for India to do so anyway, Pakistan can destroy herself without India needing to go to the trouble. She can just sit back and enjoy the show.

 

[EastWest]

I don't want to troll but what did you do with East Pakistan... remember?, what are you doing now with Balochistan..., Pakistani Taliban, i reckon it is rather your country that would not let us live. Oh yeah and by the way does Afghanistan need sophisticated toys to kick the American out? Just look and watch. These things don't mean anything. You're just trying an excuse to avoid something good from happening. I can go on forever but it has no good outcome. I sometimes think why some people are so negative...

Do u even have an iota of proof of that?
Or Zaid Hamid's word is considered proof now..So stop whining about Indian involvement in mess created by ur gov policies..

 

[Edevelop]

wtf... where does Zaid Hamid come from? I can say that your BJP Party says sh** about us. Again rephrasing what i said earlier "I CAN GO ON FOREOVER".

 

[Edevelop]

As far as Terrorism is concerned, its just an excuse to do leg pulling. I won't comment on that. I have seen all the sources. i can guess one of them might be from the Hindu, or from Times of India.

 

[janon]

As far as Terrorism is concerned, its just an excuse to do leg pulling. I won't comment on that. I have seen all the sources. i can guess one of them might be from the Hindu, or from Times of India.

From the New york times, from the past 3 or 4 days:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/w...rican-troops-in-afghanistan.html?ref=pakistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/opinion/a-new-pakistan-policy-containment.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/world/asia/24headley.html?ref=davidcheadley

From the Guardian (published in UK):
Trial and terror: David Headley Coleman and Pakistan's ISI | Josh Shahryar | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
Pakistan must not be allowed to promote export of terror, says David Cameron | World news | guardian.co.uk (British PM says pak should stop exporting terror)

Just use google search on any reputed newspaper anywhere in the world to know what Pak is up to. Now try to find similar corroborations from international media about India indulging in these despicable, dastardly games - which always misfire.

 

[Edevelop]

You're posting sources from countries already against Pakistan. You don't realize this but those countries you've indirectly mentioned are fighting an inside war with Pakistan.

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anyhow I'm not going to waste my time on this. You know very well since you're living in the U.S.A

 

[janon]

You're posting sources from countries already against Pakistan. You don't realize this but those countries you've indirectly mentioned are fighting an inside war with Pakistan.

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anyhow I'm not going to waste my time on this. You know very well since you're living in the U.S.A

See, now thats called confirmation bias - rejecting any information that doesn't confirm to you pre-existing beliefs. If you insist on something, and don't accept evidence to the contratry, you are believing what you want to believe. Then there is nothing anyone can do for you. First you said the only sources are TOI and the hindu, so I posted sources from independent media in two english speaking countries. Neither of them government mouthpieces, but acknowledged as independant and objective for generations. Do you have a better source then, non Indian and non pakistani? Can you tell me which newspaapers or news agencies would you believe, and from which country?

 

[MilSpec]

How many MMRCA would we see in Indian navy in the future. I would like to see IAC2 operate only Rafales.

 

[Edevelop]

See, now thats called confirmation bias - rejecting any information that doesn't confirm to you pre-existing beliefs. If you insist on something, and don't accept evidence to the contratry, you are believing what you want to believe. Then there is nothing anyone can do for you. First you said the only sources are TOI and the hindu, so I posted sources from independent media in two english speaking countries. Neither of them government mouthpieces, but acknowledged as independant and objective for generations. Do you have a better source then, non Indian and non pakistani? Can you tell me which newspaapers or news agencies would you believe, and from which country?

First of all I never said i believe in any sort of source so you should not be pin pointing me for any thing i said in this regard. All i said was that your source probably might include 1 from either TOI OR HINDU. Did i say what i believe? the answer is NO.. If you really want me to believe in something, that would be my own belief.. You're thinking is to literal. There is nothing wrong with reading sources BUT sometimes you have to put yourself into place where you make your own decision. I think of politics sort of like religion. You can't read a holy book and repeat all the same stuff. BUT the fact is the book doesn't have everything outlined one word for word for our way of life. Some things are a mystrey. Sometimes you have to follow the path from your own thinking. Now when i look at india, U.S, U.K, NATO, Israel, etc I see why they are against my country. Though I don't live in my country but however, when i go there and travel to different cities, the perception of local people is totally different than what is thought to be in the West and in your country. There are terrorists everywhere which you must admit and you must INCLUDE India comprising of Indian origin too without a doubt. I don't have to go into detail and you al ready know. You're terrorist is Dawood Ibrahim (Indian) and our Terrorist is Altaf Hussain (Indian ethnically)

 

[janon]

First of all I never said i believe in any sort of source so you should not be pin pointing me for any thing i said in this regard. All i said was that your source probably might include 1 from either TOI OR HINDU. Did i say what i believe? the answer is NO.. If you really want me to believe in something, that would be my own belief.. You're thinking is to literal. There is nothing wrong with reading sources BUT sometimes you have to put yourself into place where you make your own decision. I think of politics sort of like religion. You can't read a holy book and repeat all the same stuff. BUT the fact is the book doesn't have everything outlined one word for word for our way of life. Some things are a mystrey. Sometimes you have to follow the path from your own thinking. Now when i look at india, U.S, U.K, NATO, Israel, etc I see why they are against my country. Though I don't live in my country but however, when i go there and travel to different cities, the perception of local people is totally different than what is thought to be in the West and in your country. There are terrorists everywhere which you must admit and you must INCLUDE India comprising of Indian origin too without a doubt. I don't have to go into detail and you al ready know. You're terrorist is Dawood Ibrahim (Indian) and our Terrorist is Altaf Hussain (Indian ethnically)

And in which country is Dawood Ibrahim living comfortably, free from justice? Even now making friends and family relations among national icons like cricket stars?

Sure, there are terrorists who have originated from India. As there has been from nigeria, britain, almost every country. But the difference in quantity is enormous. India does not churn out a constant stream of brainwashed youth from madrassas, continually trained in an ideology of hatred. Indian society just does not have the support structure to produce terrorists in such numbers as pakistan can. Remember the co-ordinated militant attacks on cricket team, army headquarters, police training center etc? Such things cannot happen from Indian society - we had a similar situation in Mumbai, but the perpetrators were all from - umm...guess where? But then, you will of course keep believing what you want to believe - at this point if you say that all the newspapers reproted it wrong because they are all conspiring against pakistan, I really don't know how to get your head out of the sand. You can keep having paranoid delusions about hindu talibans, jewish-hindu-talibani conspiracy, US_-israely-indian conspiracy etc, but it is your country that keeps producing terrorists with support striucture from the society, and keep paying the price.
Another example for how your society supports violence while other socities don't, at least not on such scales - only in your country was a mourning procession taken when osama was killed. Only in your country will the assassin of a governor be greeted and cheered in court because he did it in the name of his religion. SUch things can't happen here, because thats not what we are taught.

And yes, you did state your beliefs about India supporting taliban and balochistan, which is what led to this topic. Now denyiong that you didn't state your beliefs just won't work - scroll up this page and see for yourself.

 

[Edevelop]

And in which country is Dawood Ibrahim living comfortably, free from justice? Even now making friends and family relations among national icons like cricket stars?

Sure, there are terrorists who have originated from India. As there has been from nigeria, britain, almost every country. But the difference in quantity is enormous. India does not churn out a constant stream of brainwashed youth from madrassas, continually trained in an ideology of hatred. Indian society just does not have the support structure to produce terrorists in such numbers as pakistan can. Remember the co-ordinated militant attacks on cricket team, army headquarters, police training center etc? Such things cannot happen from Indian society - we had a similar situation in Mumbai, but the perpetrators were all from - umm...guess where? But then, you will of course keep believing what you want to believe - at this point if you say that all the newspapers reproted it wrong because they are all conspiring against pakistan, I really don't know how to get your head out of the sand. You can keep having paranoid delusions about hindu talibans, jewish-hindu-talibani conspiracy, US_-israely-indian conspiracy etc, but it is your country that keeps producing terrorists with support striucture from the society, and keep paying the price.
Another example for how your society supports violence while other socities don't, at least not on such scales - only in your country was a mourning procession taken when osama was killed. Only in your country will the assassin of a governor be greeted and cheered in court because he did it in the name of his religion. SUch things can't happen here, because thats not what we are taught. Hence the reason people consider you differently, as you said they do.

Okay. Yes obviously Pakistan is going through hard times and i don't need to disagree with you because it's natural and every nation by default has to grow from its knees. Now you don't need to explain me whats happening and what had happened in the past. I am Pakistani and you're Indian so we have difference in between. You will never understand. I will never say a newspaper is wrong. BUT the thing is you and like other newspapers don't know the objective or the purpose behind. Alright lets say OBL was in Pakistan supported by the ISI. So what?... There is a purpose for everything don't you get it? I don't know what it is but i'm sure our military is not stupid. your country and the USA is just justifying an excuse of invading and destabilizing Pakistan. Can you explain why there are Indian troops in Afghanistan? Yes there was bombing in the indian embassy in kabul carried out by ISI. So what? This was just a revenge for what you do in Baluchistan, Karachi almost everyday. we support Dawood ibrahim cuz u support Altaf Hussain. its just the way it is. There is no right or wrong answer to this. Your country was in a similar situation as ours. You had hindus torching muslims (maybe occurs sometimes). Sikhs wanting a separate state of Khalistan, People from Bengal come to your country illegally. We both are developing countries and perhaps believe it or not you have people living in the slums still even today, which doubled over time. Have you tried to improve that? You are so called becoming a "super power" living in dreams. India's Slums Double In Size | Planetizen.

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I'm tired and no longer want to involve in other discussions. I leave you guys to do whatever you are here to discuss in this thread.

 

[janon]

Okay. Yes obviously Pakistan is going through hard times and i don't need to disagree with you because it's natural and every nation by default has to grow from its knees. Now you don't need to explain me whats happening and what had happened in the past. I am Pakistani and you're Indian so we have difference in between. You will never understand. I will never say a newspaper is wrong. BUT the thing is you and like other newspapers don't know the objective or the purpose behind. Alright lets say OBL was in Pakistan supported by the ISI. So what?... There is a purpose for everything don't you get it? I don't know what it is but i'm sure our military is not stupid. your country and the USA is just justifying an excuse of invading and destabilizing Pakistan. Can you explain why there are Indian troops in Afghanistan? Yes there was bombing in the indian embassy in kabul carried out by ISI. So what? This was just a revenge for what you do in Baluchistan, Karachi almost everyday. we support Dawood ibrahim cuz u support Altaf Hussain. its just the way it is. There is no right or wrong answer to this. Your country was in a similar situation as ours. You had hindus torching muslims (maybe occurs sometimes). Sikhs wanting a separate state of Khalistan, People from Bengal come to your country illegally. We both are developing countries and perhaps believe it or not you have people living in the slums still even today, which doubled over time. Have you tried to improve that? You are so called becoming a "super power" living in dreams. India's Slums Double In Size | Planetizen.

Great - another example of dragging in India's poverty when the discussion had nothing to do with it. Or about India's being a superpower. These are regarded as automatic ends to the discussion, when you drag in a topic of slums when you can't respond to the topic at hand. I will not go there, sorry.

Again - you keep asserting things, and posters above me asked you for evidence - you did not provide any. Show me any reputed independant source for the claim that India is doing anything in balochistan and karachi. Or that India is supporting altaf hussain. This was asked of you before also. Yes, we had unfortunate incidents of riots - both hindus and muslims were involved. I will not deny that and say that it was just a pakistani-nigerian-scandinavian conspiracy to tarnish India. Unlike you, we admit our mistakes. And sikhs demanding a seperate country are a thing of the past. Today we have a sikh PM. Can a non muslim ever become PM in pak? No, constitutionally impossible. I wouldn't compare the status of minorities in our two countries if I were you. India is founded on the notion of equality of all religions. The topic was terrorism, and on that nobody can compete with you. I provided evidence for my assertions, and can continue to do so all day if I had time. You didn't.

Entertain us all by responding to this with a post about India lacking toilet or having slums, instead of evidence for your assertions. Go ahead.

 

[shuntmaster]

In future if India gets into a 2 front war with Pakistan and China, the IN naval air wing with a few squadrons of IAF on western border can take care of whole of PAF and rest of the IAF can focus on Eastern border.

 

[Edevelop]

Great - another example of dragging in India's poverty when the discussion had nothing to do with it. Or about India's being a superpower. These are regarded as automatic ends to the discussion, when you drag in a topic of slums when you can't respond to the topic at hand. I will not go there, sorry.

Again - you keep asserting things, and posters above me asked you for evidence - you did not provide any. Show me any reputed independant source for the claim that India is doing anything in balochistan and karachi. Or that India is supporting altaf hussain. This was asked of you before also. Yes, we had unfortunate incidents of riots - both hindus and muslims were involved. I will not deny that and say that it was just a pakistani-nigerian-scandinavian conspiracy to tarnish India. Unlike you, we admit our mistakes. And sikhs demanding a seperate country are a thing of the past. Today we have a sikh PM. Can a non muslim ever become PM in pak? No, constitutionally impossible. I wouldn't compare the status of minorities in our two countries if I were you. India is founded on the notion of equality of all religions. The topic was terrorism, and on that nobody can compete with you. I provided evidence for my assertions, and can continue to do so all day if I had time. You didn't.

Entertain us all by responding to this with a post about India lacking toilet or having slums, instead of evidence for your assertions. Go ahead.

You talk about difference in quantity. Alright can you give me a figure for both countries? Its countless isn't it? Now go back and read what you wrote me. Stop using Pakistan as a terrorist country just because you see on television and not India. Take a look at this way and don't say I'm changing topics. You see Palestians as terrorists on Tv right? how come there is nothing about the Israelites. You know very well. I'm kashmiri by the way and it just makes my feel saddened that our females get rapped every single day by Indian soldiers and still there is no news to this around the globe. Indian Army Raped Two More Kashmiri Women - YouTube Its just endless eh...? Now for god's sake stop with these discussions LOL.

 

[janon]

You talk about difference in quantity. Alright can you give me a figure for both countries? Its countless isn't it? Now go back and read what you wrote me. Stop using Pakistan as a terrorist country just because you see on television and not India. Take a look at this way and don't say I'm changing topics. You see Palestians as terrorists on Tv right? how come there is nothing about the Israelites. You know very well. I'm kashmiri by the way and it just makes my feel saddened that our females get rapped every single day by Indian soldiers and still there is no news to this around the globe. Indian Army Raped Two More Kashmiri Women - YouTube Its just endless eh...? Now for god's sake stop with these discussions LOL.

My (and other posters') original demand stands - show us independent evidence from reputed sources. Youtube is not one. Are you saying that all the media in all countries are biased against pak? Then live in that fantasy. There are many people who speak about the plight of the palestinians, and criticise israel's policies. If you read more, you will know that. You started the discussion by unsupported claims. And sorry nobody took your bait of diverting to the topic of slums, that attempt failed. I don't want to continue.