Indian Acquisition of the Gorshkov

[sms]

I just ignore him, someone who has decided that he is just going to trash you without caring anything about topic in hand is not a good person to discuss with.

Hmm... may be he is just doing job, he has been assigned to do?
If that's true he is really a sincere and faithful person!!

 

[jha]

Does anybody remember the backfires which we were to get with gorky and akula....atleast some news wre there in those days ......

 

[Chanakyaa]

Uss enterprise will be retíred in 2015.
How ever, its highly unlikely to be available for sale.

 

[Dark Angel]

Uss enterprise will be retíred in 2015.
How ever, its highly unlikely to be available for sale.

Well mate there shoudnt be an inch of a doubt that USS Enterprise would be ever sold

1) No sane country would buy it as it was commissioned in 1961

2)USS Enterprise is the world's first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier so it kind of a National heritage

3)The earlier decommission date is due to the cost of operating eight nuclear reactors, which consumes a significantly larger amount of funds compared to the two-reactor Nimitz class

 

[sancho]

Uss enterprise will be retíred in 2015.
How ever, its highly unlikely to be available for sale.

Yes very unlikely and not needed for IN anyway!

These super carriers are needed to project a large amount of power (many fighters) far away from home. IN instead needs medium class carriers like Gorshkov and Vikrant class to gain sea control/air defense around the coastline of India, to protect it's interests in short and medium range from home. We don't need a nuclear propulsion for a carrier that only carries 20 fighters, nor will it give any advantages, because the carrier group (destroyers, frigats...) will not be nuclear propelled and these will be the main limiting factor.

IN already has plans for bigger carriers, but I hope they don't follow DRDO and HAL by developing everything at the same time. Hopefully they get at least the first Vikrant class done, before heading to new projects. However, after 2-3 medium class carriers IN could go for bigger, even nuclear propelled carriers with way more fighters. But again, the carrier is only one part of the carrier group!
Without sufficient other vessels (especially SSNs) to protect the carrier, we can't go for bigger once and at the moment I see subs as a problem! Scorpene delayed, SSBN in testing stage, SSN only planed, Kilo class replacement not issued, what means it will need quite some time till we get SSNs to protect our carriers in long range missions.

 

[Dark Angel]

Yes very unlikely and not needed for IN anyway!

These super carriers are needed to project a large amount of power (many fighters) far away from home. IN instead needs medium class carriers like Gorshkov and Vikrant class to gain sea control/air defense around the coastline of India, to protect it's interests in short and medium range from home. We don't need a nuclear propulsion for a carrier that only carries 20 fighters, nor will it give any advantages, because the carrier group (destroyers, frigats...) will not be nuclear propelled and these will be the main limiting factor.

IN already has plans for bigger carriers, but I hope they don't follow DRDO and HAL by developing everything at the same time. Hopefully they get at least the first Vikrant class done, before heading to new projects. However, after 2-3 medium class carriers IN could go for bigger, even nuclear propelled carriers with way more fighters. But again, the carrier is only one part of the carrier group!
Without sufficient other vessels (especially SSNs) to protect the carrier, we can't go for bigger once and at the moment I see subs as a problem! Scorpene delayed, SSBN in testing stage, SSN only planed, Kilo class replacement not issued, what means it will need quite some time till we get SSNs to protect our carriers in long range missions.

Moreover its nuclear powered, so its a big NO in
world politics

 

[gogbot]

Moreover its nuclear powered, so its a big NO in
world politics

we can just shove our own nuclear reactor in their.

But i don't want an Old ship.

And refitting it for service would cost more that the whole Vikramaditya deal. the whole guts of the ship has to be ripped out and replaced.

New electronics

Basically to make it combat worthy again we will have to replace everything but the Superstructure of the ship. Even that might need minor modifications.

Its time consuming and costly.

Making a new carrier or buying brand new is much better than Ambitious refit schemes.

 

[Dark Angel]

we can just shove our own nuclear reactor in their.

But i don't want an Old ship.

And refitting it for service would cost more that the whole Vikramaditya deal. the whole guts of the ship has to be ripped out and replaced.

New electronics

Basically to make it combat worthy again we will have to replace everything but the Superstructure of the ship. Even that might need minor modifications.

Its time consuming and costly.

Making a new carrier or buying brand new is much better than Ambitious refit schemes.

But buddy they are decommissiong it as it uses 8 reactors which is by far more expensive even for US .....Fitting ur own reactors is a very complex thing to do as they had build the ship with their specifications in 1960s

 

[gogbot]

But buddy they are decommissiong it as it uses 8 reactors which is by far more expensive even for US .....Fitting ur own reactors is a very complex thing to do as they had build the ship with their specifications in 1960s

Like i said its costly and expensive and time consuming

You have to rip the guts of the ship out and then replace them

Just because its not easy doesn't mean we don't/cant do it.

but like i said its waste of time and money compared to building a new one or buying a new one.

 

[grey boy 2]

Indian Navy awaiting gov't approval on price of Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier - People's Daily Online Jan 16 2010

Indian Navy Saturday said that the costs of the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier have been more or less fixed by the Indo-Russian joint price negotiation committee and it's now awaiting for the government approval only.

"I cannot speak anything about the final pricing till the government's approval is announced. But, yes, for any of these major induction programs, we have a price negotiation committee, which has done its job and a mutually agreed price has been arrived at," Head of Indian Navy Admiral Nirmal Verma told the media in the national capital.

The two countries were said to have finalized the price for the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier during Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's visit to Russia last month.

Admiral Gorshkov was a modified Kiev class aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy, originally named Baku. In 2004, she was sold to India for conversion into a STOBAR carrier to be named INS Vikramaditya.

On Jan. 20, 2004, Russia had agreed to sell the Admiral Gorshkov to India, though payment details are still being worked out.

On Dec. 17, 2009, it was reported that India and Russia ended the stalemate over Gorshkov price deal by agreeing on a price of 2.3 billion U.S. dollars.

Source: Xinhua

 

[sudhir007]

Chindits: *Flash*:Gorshkov Finally Has a Price Tag: CCS Set To Clear Vikramaditya At 2.25, Govt Revises Delivery Date As 2012 !

The Government has finally put a price tag to the long over-due and controversial Admiral Gorshkov, INS Vikramaditya, deal after prolonged negotiations for over two months with Moscow and has agreed at 2.25 billion US dollars, to be cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in February 2010.

The contract negotiation committee, headed by Vice Admiral Ganesh Mahadevan, Indian Navy's Chief of Material, also laid down a revised delivery date of the 45,000 ton aircraft carrier as 2012. It may be noted that the deal for the additional 29 MiG-29K fighter aircraft for the Navy was held up last year over the aircraft carrier's price, but in December 2009 the CCS cleared the deal for the naval fighter jets.

 

[ejaz007]

Contracts & Key Events


Jan 17/10:
Reports surface that India will “soon” finalize a $1.2 billion deal with Russia to buy 29 more MiG-29K jets, which would bring India’s order total for the carrier capable STOBAR (Short Take-Off But Assisted Recovery) fighters to 45. Russia’s RIA Novosti | domain-b | India’s Economic Times | Press Trust of India | Times of India | UPI | Associated Press of Pakistan.

Jan 16/10:
Admiral Admiral Nirmal Verma tells the media that there is still no final deal:

“I cannot speak anything about the final pricing till the government’s approval is announced. But, yes, for any of these major induction programs, we have a price negotiation committee, which has done its job and a mutually agreed price has been arrived at.”

Dec 5/09:
Reports surface once again that India and Russia have reached an agreement on the Vikramaditya’s price. This time, they may even be true. Indian Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao said that during summit-level talks between Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev:

“Both the leaders discussed the [Vikramaditya] issue and noted excellent progress on negotiations on price and technical issues which have been brought to a successful conclusion.”

The actual price in question is not discussed, and that political rapprochement may not be shared by the Navy. Defence Minister AK Antony has publicly distanced the Government from Naval Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta’s recent public hard line regarding the Gorshkov’s price, and suggestions that India reassess its defense ties with Russia owing to quality issues. Adm. Arum Prakash also issued a warning, saying that: “The long-term price that we pay for 25 years of mischief, of twisting our arm will be much more than what we pay now.”

Dec 4/09:
Ending a year-long wait, the first batch of MiG-29K naval fighter jets, purchased from Russia for the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, arrive in Goa in a “knocked down condition” packed in containers on board an AN-124 cargo aircraft. Press Trust of India.

INS Vikramaditya: Waiting for Gorshkov…

 

[RPK]

domain-b.com : Russia, India ready addendum on Adm Gorshkov contract

Moscow: After two years of intense haggling, India and Russia may have finalised a "mutually acceptable" price for the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, according to the chief of the Russian arms export monopoly, Rosoboronexport. For the price the Indian Navy gets what would practically be a "totally new, state-of-the-art" ship that will remain seaworthy for 30 years.


Diagram of INS Vikramaditya
The new price will be formalised as an addendum to the original contract under which both nations agreed to the refurbishment programme of the Admiral Gorshkov carrier in 2004.

ITAR-TASS quoted Rosoboronexport chief, Anatoly Isaikin, as saying, "The negotiations are over, and a mutually acceptable solution for Russia and India has been found. The cost has grown, but the vessel's building time schedule has not been extended."

"Now the cost problems have been removed, and the ship will be completed on schedule," Isaikin said.

 

[karan.1970]

domain-b.com : Russia, India ready addendum on Adm Gorshkov contract

Moscow: After two years of intense haggling, India and Russia may have finalised a "mutually acceptable" price for the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, according to the chief of the Russian arms export monopoly, Rosoboronexport. For the price the Indian Navy gets what would practically be a "totally new, state-of-the-art" ship that will remain seaworthy for 30 years.


Diagram of INS Vikramaditya
The new price will be formalised as an addendum to the original contract under which both nations agreed to the refurbishment programme of the Admiral Gorshkov carrier in 2004.

ITAR-TASS quoted Rosoboronexport chief, Anatoly Isaikin, as saying, "The negotiations are over, and a mutually acceptable solution for Russia and India has been found. The cost has grown, but the vessel's building time schedule has not been extended."

"Now the cost problems have been removed, and the ship will be completed on schedule," Isaikin said.

So whats the delivery date?? Is it 2012?

 

[skyisthelimit]

maybe somewhere between 2013 and 2015