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India, US rush to ink logistics pact; Parrikar’s trip rescheduled to help deal

If these countries cared about India's security and friendship, would they have leaked the Scorpene documents?

Rule one is to know that All nations care only about themselves.

We are not seeking friends, but allies i.e. nations who's concern overlap our own. I used the world 'friend' loosely to signify anyone who is a potential ally.

That does not mean they will not act in their own interest if their interest is best served by pushing us under the bus. Its not a moral or ethical game. Its amoral and unemotional.

As they say, "its not personal, its just business".

I am not blaming Australian newspaper but one needs to understand that US-UK-Germany-Australia-Japan-SK is a close knit family.

One has to follow the motive and the money.

If China was involved then they would have never allowed it to be public instead they would have kept the leak secret and used the data during the war.

The fact that the leak is public itself clearly indicates that it was not from China.

The leak was not only to sabotage the Australian sub deal but also to break the Indo-French relationship.

Remember France was the only country from the West which stood by India when it mattered.

It's just not scorpenes but there are lot more deals like RAFALEs, P75I, nuclear cooperation etc. are all the target of this leak.

There is no one big happy family. In an depressed global economy, its each nation for itself. UK just split from the EU.

Who leaked and why is a matter of speculation and that should be a concern for France, not India. India has to focus on what to do next.

But its true, among all the nations in the west, France is the most reliable and the one with the most independent foreign policy. Its too bad they can't keep their mouth shut. But then nobody's perfect :P
 
China And Pakistan Beware -- This Week, India And US Sign Major War Pact


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President Barack Obama meets with Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India in June. (Photo by Dennis Brack-Pool/Getty Images)

Around August 30, in Washington, India and the U.S. will sign a major war pact that makes them logistical allies against, among others, the superpower China currently making a bold power grab in the South China Sea.

Specifically, Indian Defense Mister Manohar Parrikar will sign the deal during a two-day visit in Washington. The deal is the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA), a foundational agreement for India and the U.S.. In this instance, the agreement provides for each to use the other globally for supplies, spare parts, services and refueling. Effectively, U.S. armed forces can operate out of Indian bases, and vice versa, on a simple basis.

For the U.S., this is part of the “pivot” to Asia intended by President Obama to meet a rising China. The U.S. Navy plans to deploy 60 percent of its surface ships in the Indo-Pacific in the near future. Instead of having to build facilities virtually from the ground up, as in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. has the benefit of simple arrangements for the tremendous Indian facilities.

For Prime Minister Modi, it is a major step for India away from its Cold War alliance with Russia, toward a new alliance with the U.S. (and Japan and Australia) to protect the Indian Ocean and the seas off Southeast Asia, especially from China. India remains on hostile terms with China from border disputes dating back to a war in the 1960s. And, the gigantic engines of their economies are, for the most part, rivals.

For both the U.S. and India, LEMOA responds to the powerful challenge of Xi Jinping’s artificial islands – with air bases — in the South China Sea. It may also matter against the common enemy of the U.S. and India in radical jihadists.



For example, ISIS recently carried out a terror bombing in Bangladesh. What if ISIS got a substantial ground effort going, not as much as their “caliphate” in Syria and Iraq, but on the substantial scale of their effort in Egyptian Sinai and Libya? Having LEMOA makes it much simpler for American naval and air forces to fight there. The U.S. does not have actual bases in India. But, it has the next best thing – a simple way to use India’s bases.

LEMOA is the key way-station on agreements still to come of military technology sharing of tremendous importance for India, again, primarily to help it stand up to the emerging superpower of China. One upcoming deal is the Communications and Information Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA). Another, the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Intelligence (BECA).

With prior pacts, thru LEMOA, ultimately to CISMOA and BECA, India increasingly can either buy (and use), from the U.S or others, or make itself, top-of-the-line technology for its air force and navy to stand up to China’s, particularly in the Indian Ocean. Pakistan, it must not be forgotten, is making itself a base for Beijing’s forces to operate in its region. Modi has made India a tremendous buyer of advanced weaponry. The U.S. is by far the world’s largest seller of weapons.

There are prior deals and policies here. The U.S. recognized India as a Major Defense Partner. It brought India into the Missile Technology Control Regime. Among other aspects, the various deals expedite India obtaining the keys to the kingdom, namely, licenses for top U.S. defense technology. In other words, U.S. contractors are getting, through LEMOA as through prior deals, a much better launching pad from which to sell many billions of dollars of top-of-the-line armament to India. Conversely, India often requires a degree of coproduction domestically, so LEMOA and other deals will help India grow as a gigantic weapons dealer itself, selling to the rest of the world.

All these arms matter in many friction points. Take the nasty Islamist terrorist organization, Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM). Pakistan’s powerful and dangerous intelligence arm, ISI, uses JEM against India, but it is also among a group of organizations backed by ISI that the U.S. considers a U.S. enemy, too. JEM’s chief is Masood Azhar. India tried unsuccessfully to tag Azhar at the United Nations as a terrorist. Who blocked it? China. So while the South China Sea may seem far off from India, China is breathing down India’s neck, up close and personal

The U.S. did not make the bellicose move in the South China Sea. Xi Jinping did. There are many downsides to an arms races. But if we do not move, we lose. We have little choice but to play catchup.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/charles...ia-and-us-sign-major-war-pact/2/#7b2d833a4661
 
NOPE.

US would have access to 'certain' Indian Bases after seeking prior approval for using them. And they would have to seek permission every time they use it. There is no automatic access.



India has to regain its own identity, reclaim its own history an culture, rediscover its own civilisation.

A long as we do not do that, there is no point in blaming US or China. We are responsible for our Fate, not them.

You seem to have more faith in US than India.



I would have thought Cuba was your target. No cigar for you.

Prior the British conquest of India, India consist of various nations and empires. "India" itself is a geographical expression. The land of India need to revert back to before British conquest to rediscover itself.
 
Prior the British conquest of India, India consist of various nations and empires. "India" itself is a geographical expression. The land of India need to revert back to before British conquest to rediscover itself.

The land of USA "can/needs" to revert to the way it was before its most recent conquest too so it can rediscover itself.

That involves throwing you out now doesn't it?
 
Prior the British conquest of India, India consist of various nations and empires. "India" itself is a geographical expression. The land of India need to revert back to before British conquest to rediscover itself.

ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION PAKISTAN IS A NON EXISTENCE, CORRECT?


this loser used to protray that he is is an american and posting about India buying american weapons, now when India and US signing a pact against China, his arse is burning. lol

Loser. :D
 
I am not blaming Australian newspaper but one needs to understand that US-UK-Germany-Australia-Japan-SK is a close knit family.

One has to follow the motive and the money.

If China was involved then they would have never allowed it to be public instead they would have kept the leak secret and used the data during the war.

The fact that the leak is public itself clearly indicates that it was not from China.

The leak was not only to sabotage the Australian sub deal but also to break the Indo-French relationship.

Remember France was the only country from the West which stood by India when it mattered.

It's just not scorpenes but there are lot more deals like RAFALEs, P75I, nuclear cooperation etc. are all the target of this leak.

I have no idea how to answer that.
 
Prior the British conquest of India, India consist of various nations and empires. "India" itself is a geographical expression. The land of India need to revert back to before British conquest to rediscover itself.

India was conquered by "East India company", the worlds first MNC. Not the British.

The British later on took over the company assets after 1857.

So technically British rule in India is from 1857 to 1947 i.e. 90 years.

Hong Kong was ruled for 100 years.

US was Ruled by Britain from 1607 to 1783 i.e. 176 Years
:azn:

So prior to british conquest of US, US was just a collection of various Nomadic tribes. Maybe you should offer your suggestions to your own nation first :lol:
 
ACCORDING TO YOUR DEFINITION PAKISTAN IS A NON EXISTENCE, CORRECT?


this loser used to protray that he is is an american and posting about India buying american weapons, now when India and US signing a pact against China, his arse is burning. lol

Loser. :D

Pakistan never claim that it's an ancient country existed prior to the British Invasion. It happily recognized itself as a new post colonial country as most Asian and African country. Indians believed that India existed as a country for eons, except it was never unified. Now, how ridiculous is that.

India was conquered by "East India company", the worlds first MNC. Not the British.

The British later on took over the company assets after 1857.

So technically British rule in India is from 1857 to 1947 i.e. 90 years.

Hong Kong was ruled for 100 years.

US was Ruled by Britain from 1607 to 1783 i.e. 176 Years
:azn:

So prior to british conquest of US, US was just a collection of various Nomadic tribes. Maybe you should offer your suggestions to your own nation first :lol:

US was a British colony. It would never existed without the British. We grow out from the British colonialization. Prior the British colonialization, there were tribes, people and even nations existed within the present US geographical boundary. But US was created by the British and its constitution written in English.


In my previous paragraph, substitute US with India and the fact remain the same. Both India and the US are created from the same parent country. We are brothers and sisters.
 

And plenty in Middle East as well....huge amounts of trade/investment if flowing to/from India in that region that can be aided by protection/security/deployment....this way we do not need to negotiate for separate bases with countries there (Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi etc)...and we can broaden our tactical and strategic reach in persian gulf beyond just Oman and UAE.

Singapore Changi US base is another one....we already often share the facility when our ships are passing through. This will make the logistics so much easier.

Oh and another one: diego garcia :P
 
US was a British colony. It would never existed without the British. We grow out from the British colonialization. Prior the British colonialization, there were tribes, people and even nations existed within the present US geographical boundary. But US was created by the British and its constitution written in English.


In my previous paragraph, substitute US with India and the fact remain the same. Both India and the US are created from the same parent country. We are brothers and sisters.

Wrong again.

It was SPAIN which first "discovered" American and they were your first rulers. The first colony on Mainland America was Spanish.

They were replaced by your British masters much later.

Before that the civilisation that existed in America was Native American. Not of christian European origin. This was completely wiped out and replaced by in the last century. This why US is an political Nation which will never exist without a constitution.

India is a civilisation Nation with a continued civilisations existence that goes by thousands of years by western accounts. By our own accounts it goes back more than tens of thousands of years. India has existed and will continue to exist in Hindu scriptures. (long before the constitution and long after the constitution)

Our relationship is more like baby and Great great great great ..... great grandfather. Britain being the common infection in the recent past for which we have now grown immunity.


Which is why I had mentioned in an earlier post that LEMOA will help us insist that the US maintain their base in Afghanistan so that our teams there can operate in relative safety.
 
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China And Pakistan Beware -- This Week, India And US Sign Major War Pact


Charles Tiefer
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I cover government contracting, the Pentagon and Congress.

Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.

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I am Professor at the University of Baltimore School of Law, where I focus on government contracting and Congressional legislating. I served as Commissioner on the Congressionally-chartered Commission on Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan, in which I did three missions to Iraq and Afghanistan, and over 20 televised hearings. My chief published work on government contracting is a leading 750 page legal casebook, Government Contracting Law in the Twenty-First Century. I have testified before Congressional committees as an expert many times about Government contracting, problem departments, and government personnel. I was General Counsel (Acting) of the House of Representatives, serving15 years in that office and its Senate counterpart, and published a 1000 page treatise, Congressional Practice and Procedure. I am publishing with University Press of America a new book, The Polarized Congress: The Post-Traditional Procedure of its Current Struggles. I graduated from Columbia College with a B.A. summa cum laude and from Harvard Law School with a J.D. magna cum laude, and served on the Harvard Law Review.

The author is a Forbes contributor. The opinions expressed are those of the writer.

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President Barack Obama meets with Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India in June. (Photo by Dennis Brack-Pool/Getty Images)

Around August 30, in Washington, India and the U.S. will sign a major war pact that makes them logistical allies against, among others, the superpower China currently making a bold power grab in the South China Sea.

Specifically, Indian Defense Mister Manohar Parrikar will sign the deal during a two-day visit in Washington. The deal is the Logistics Exchange Memorandum of Agreement (LEMOA), a foundational agreement for India and the U.S.. In this instance, the agreement provides for each to use the other globally for supplies, spare parts, services and refueling. Effectively, U.S. armed forces can operate out of Indian bases, and vice versa, on a simple basis.

For the U.S., this is part of the “pivot” to Asia intended by President Obama to meet a rising China. The U.S. Navy plans to deploy 60 percent of its surface ships in the Indo-Pacific in the near future. Instead of having to build facilities virtually from the ground up, as in Afghanistan and Iraq, the U.S. has the benefit of simple arrangements for the tremendous Indian facilities.

For Prime Minister Modi, it is a major step for India away from its Cold War alliance with Russia, toward a new alliance with the U.S. (and Japan and Australia) to protect the Indian Ocean and the seas off Southeast Asia, especially from China. India remains on hostile terms with China from border disputes dating back to a war in the 1960s. And, the gigantic engines of their economies are, for the most part, rivals.

For both the U.S. and India, LEMOA responds to the powerful challenge of Xi Jinping’s artificial islands – with air bases — in the South China Sea. It may also matter against the common enemy of the U.S. and India in radical jihadists.



For example, ISIS recently carried out a terror bombing in Bangladesh. What if ISIS got a substantial ground effort going, not as much as their “caliphate” in Syria and Iraq, but on the substantial scale of their effort in Egyptian Sinai and Libya? Having LEMOA makes it much simpler for American naval and air forces to fight there. The U.S. does not have actual bases in India. But, it has the next best thing – a simple way to use India’s bases.

LEMOA is the key way-station on agreements still to come of military technology sharing of tremendous importance for India, again, primarily to help it stand up to the emerging superpower of China. One upcoming deal is the Communications and Information Security Memorandum Agreement (CISMOA). Another, the Basic Exchange and Cooperation Agreement for Geospatial Intelligence (BECA).

With prior pacts, thru LEMOA, ultimately to CISMOA and BECA, India increasingly can either buy (and use), from the U.S or others, or make itself, top-of-the-line technology for its air force and navy to stand up to China’s, particularly in the Indian Ocean. Pakistan, it must not be forgotten, is making itself a base for Beijing’s forces to operate in its region. Modi has made India a tremendous buyer of advanced weaponry. The U.S. is by far the world’s largest seller of weapons.

There are prior deals and policies here. The U.S. recognized India as a Major Defense Partner. It brought India into the Missile Technology Control Regime. Among other aspects, the various deals expedite India obtaining the keys to the kingdom, namely, licenses for top U.S. defense technology. In other words, U.S. contractors are getting, through LEMOA as through prior deals, a much better launching pad from which to sell many billions of dollars of top-of-the-line armament to India. Conversely, India often requires a degree of coproduction domestically, so LEMOA and other deals will help India grow as a gigantic weapons dealer itself, selling to the rest of the world.

All these arms matter in many friction points. Take the nasty Islamist terrorist organization, Jaish-e-Mohammed (JEM). Pakistan’s powerful and dangerous intelligence arm, ISI, uses JEM against India, but it is also among a group of organizations backed by ISI that the U.S. considers a U.S. enemy, too. JEM’s chief is Masood Azhar. India tried unsuccessfully to tag Azhar at the United Nations as a terrorist. Who blocked it? China. So while the South China Sea may seem far off from India, China is breathing down India’s neck, up close and personal

The U.S. did not make the bellicose move in the South China Sea. Xi Jinping did. There are many downsides to an arms races. But if we do not move, we lose. We have little choice but to play catchup.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/charles...ia-and-us-sign-major-war-pact/2/#7b2d833a4661

He's a "professor" and comes up with a title like that. Has he informed the state department that Pakistan should be weary as the Americans are coming?
 
@PARIKRAMA yeah, I recall you telling me all talk earlier. Damn, open your own defence review to run and let know the name, will subscribe ...
 
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