Featured India, US Close To Signing $700 Million Deal To Acquire 100 'GE 404' Engines For Tejas Mk1A Fighter Jets

[White and Green with M/S]

it's not about Delta versis non Delta.

it's about the flight control.and airframe design with composites v non composites

cropped Delta.

turned rates are least needed now thanks to bvr doctrines,
what counts is load
engine efficiency
radar cross section
electronics radar
weapons

on paper tejas specs being western are better period

LOL Next time you will say Thrust to weight ratio/ lift to drag ration is also not important lol

you're basically knows nothing about military Aviation, if your BVR will we defeated by the enemy what should do?? Run away??? you come clse to your opponents and have close combat and try to fire WVR AAMs on your enemy, that's where turn rate has comes into play

And with a current net centric environments the conventional fighters is extremely hard to hide it doesn't matters it how composite materials it can use, RCS increases with underslung weapons as well as turbine blades of engine

AND YOU SHOULD THANKS TO WEST FOR DESIGINING AND DEVELOPING YOUR MIGHTY TEJAS LOL

 

[War Historian]

In real

it's not about Delta versis non Delta.

it's about the flight control.and airframe design with composites v non composites

cropped Delta.

turned rates are least needed now thanks to bvr doctrines,
what counts is load
engine efficiency
radar cross section
electronics radar
weapons

on paper tejas specs being western are better period

You know the level of teja, so your air force is hiding teja in eastern and central india far from Pakistan's border. Because you know in air combat they will bite the dust like your mighty other jets. So make sure that samoosa would be out of the range of AMRAAM and PL-15.
Otherwise modi would said... Agar samoosa k sath rafale hota ....,

 

[The Maverick]

it's,relatively new platform and is decade behind thunder in maturity .

but I understand tejas is now on border in loc.

surely it's superior to half your pak fleet of 200 f7 and mirages,.....

and a match for your 120.thunders as well .

that,leaves state of the art f16 with most of them vintage block 15 now mlu block 50

 

[Vapnope]

We will know about the war capability of Mk1a when it clocks 3000 hours.

 

[The Maverick]

We will know about the war capability of Mk1a when it clocks 3000 hours.

mark 1a,will.be comparable to their block 3
but India will have 83 versus them only having 30 block 3
both these will.have aesa ie klj7 aesa from China versus Israeli aesa elta 520 . The thunders,will carry the new pl15 but tejas will have both Astra,1 and Derby er.

regarding current mark1 tejas it lacks maturity only arrived 2018 and only number 20 today 40 by 2023 where thunder 10 years in service and 129 in nos.

but again the superior hmd wvr combo on tejas,and better usa,engines gives tejas edge

 

[Tornado23]

it's,relatively new platform and is decade behind thunder in maturity .

but I understand tejas is now on border in loc.

surely it's superior to half your pak fleet of 200 f7 and mirages,.....

and a match for your 120.thunders as well .

that,leaves state of the art f16 with most of them vintage block 15 now mlu block 50

F7 has been retired. Only some 60 F7PG remain. Mirages are attack aircraft, not intended for dogfights.

You will be mostly facing the jf 17 and f16.

Of which the f16 block 15 a/b have been upgraded to the block 40 spec. They can all fire the aim 120c5 asides the adf variants. So they are not vintage unlike your mig21s and mig29s.

Your tejas is severely outgunned.

mark 1a,will.be comparable to their block 3
but India will have 83 versus them only having 30 block 3
both these will.have aesa ie klj7 aesa from China versus Israeli aesa elta 520 . The thunders,will carry the new pl15 but tejas will have both Astra,1 and Derby er.

regarding current mark1 tejas it lacks maturity only arrived 2018 and only number 20 today 40 by 2023 where thunder 10 years in service and 129 in nos.

but again the superior hmd wvr combo on tejas,and better usa,engines gives tejas edge

30 jf17 blk3 is the initial order... Who said we aren't gonna buy more of them? We bought 62 blk2 why would we stop at 30blk3?

How can you comment on the hmd wvr combo? You don't even know about the hmd the jf17blk3 is getting with its pl10.

 

[Trango Towers]

mark 1a,will.be comparable to their block 3
but India will have 83 versus them only having 30 block 3
both these will.have aesa ie klj7 aesa from China versus Israeli aesa elta 520 . The thunders,will carry the new pl15 but tejas will have both Astra,1 and Derby er.

regarding current mark1 tejas it lacks maturity only arrived 2018 and only number 20 today 40 by 2023 where thunder 10 years in service and 129 in nos.

but again the superior hmd wvr combo on tejas,and better usa,engines gives tejas edge

Look we know you are a superpower on paper. And talking Shyte is your specialist subject on mastermind.
However reality is you can only talk about how good the tea is

 

[The Maverick]

F7 has been retired. Only some 60 F7PG remain. Mirages are attack aircraft, not intended for dogfights.

You will be mostly facing the jf 17 and f16.

Of which the f16 block 15 a/b have been upgraded to the block 40 spec. They can all fire the aim 120c5 asides the adf variants. So they are not vintage unlike your mig21s and mig29s.

Your tejas is severely outgunned.

30 jf17 blk3 is the initial order... Who said we aren't gonna buy more of them? We bought 62 blk2 why would we stop at 30blk3?

How can you comment on the hmd wvr combo? You don't even know about the hmd the jf17blk3 is getting with its pl10.

when you order more than 30.then.talk ....
not before....

for now you are only getting 30 block.3 with aesa which means the pl15.will.useless on the 120 block 2 and 1 thunders unless you upgraded them.with aesa radars..the current radar has mechanical.scanner range of 100k at best

it's taking 4 years,to deliver 30 thunders block.3 if and when you begin upgrading block.2 and 1 x 120.planes that could take 5 years,plus .

this is why India played it smart only 40 mark.1 straight to.mark1a for 83 planes and better ge404in engines to avoid your thunders scenario of 120 planes needing upgrade all.at once .

 

[Tornado23]

when you order more than 30.then.talk ....
not before....

for now you are only getting 30 block.3 with aesa which means the pl15.will.useless on the 120 block 2 and 1 thunders unless you upgraded them.with aesa radars..the current radar has mechanical.scanner range of 100k at best

it's taking 4 years,to deliver 30 thunders block.3 if and when you begin upgrading block.2 and 1 x 120.planes that could take 5 years,plus .

this is why India played it smart only 40 mark.1 straight to.mark1a for 83 planes and better ge404in engines to avoid your thunders scenario of 120 planes needing upgrade all.at once .

My god... How old are you?

First and foremost, I was using logic regarding the jf 17 blk3 numbers. As I have said, why would we cap the total jf17 blk3 production at 30 when we didn't do so for the previous thunders? Especially when as of right now, the blk3 is the magnum opus of the jf17s...

4 years to deliver the blk3? Are you good? It took its first flight in 2019-2020, it didn't take 4 years...bruh. If you are including R&D however that is still dumb. Then we can say it took you 30+ years to make the tejas... Oh wait it did.

India played it smart? I would've said yes had the tejas actually been a decent jet. The jet sucks. Its outgunned and outranged by our jets (jf17 and f16). What's it actually good at that it can outperform either one of those 2 jets I mentioned above?

 

[Trango Towers]

when you order more than 30.then.talk ....
not before....

for now you are only getting 30 block.3 with aesa which means the pl15.will.useless on the 120 block 2 and 1 thunders unless you upgraded them.with aesa radars..the current radar has mechanical.scanner range of 100k at best

it's taking 4 years,to deliver 30 thunders block.3 if and when you begin upgrading block.2 and 1 x 120.planes that could take 5 years,plus .

this is why India played it smart only 40 mark.1 straight to.mark1a for 83 planes and better ge404in engines to avoid your thunders scenario of 120 planes needing upgrade all.at once .

Indian brain...

Didn't you go for over a 100 Rafael and ordered 36 for almost the same price??? Talk when you have more than 36

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

when you order more than 30.then.talk ....
not before....

for now you are only getting 30 block.3 with aesa which means the pl15.will.useless on the 120 block 2 and 1 thunders unless you upgraded them.with aesa radars..the current radar has mechanical.scanner range of 100k at best

it's taking 4 years,to deliver 30 thunders block.3 if and when you begin upgrading block.2 and 1 x 120.planes that could take 5 years,plus .

this is why India played it smart only 40 mark.1 straight to.mark1a for 83 planes and better ge404in engines to avoid your thunders scenario of 120 planes needing upgrade all.at once .

PL15 can be controlled by AWAACS if I am not wrong

 

[War Historian]

it's,relatively new platform and is decade behind thunder in maturity .

but I understand tejas is now on border in loc.

surely it's superior to half your pak fleet of 200 f7 and mirages,.....

and a match for your 120.thunders as well .

that,leaves state of the art f16 with most of them vintage block 15 now mlu block 50

Your country took 38 years to reach 20 jets from scratch to FOC. So only talk about 20 ok. For half of this period in 19 years from designing to prototype and final jet with FOC we are 126 jets operational in our air force and you r still scratching your head for a final engine selection.

 

[Trango Towers]

PL15 can be controlled by AWAACS if I am not wrong

Wrong

 

[MirageBlue]

Another step towards Tejas being Indigenous.

It was always known that the Tejas would have an American engine since the Kaveri didn't meet the full requirements. Nothing new here. What this does is to allow India to get much closer to getting 83 Tejas Mk1As in service.

I find it amazing that people who gloat about the JF-17, for which their own nation did almost no development, and which uses a Russian engine are laughing about this. Your nation cannot even build another JF-17 Block 4 on your own and you talk about indigenous??

Good on Tejas. Would this require another round of structural changes? Maybe a heavier landing gear to balance on the front?

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Nope, it is the same engine that is currently used for the Tejas Mk1 as well.

Your country took 38 years to reach 20 jets from scratch to FOC. So only talk about 20 ok. For half of this period in 19 years from designing to prototype and final jet with FOC we are 126 jets operational in our air force and you r still scratching your head for a final engine selection.

And please tell me, what exactly did YOUR nation do on the JF-17? What part did it develop? What technology? Can you develop another bigger version of the JF-17 by yourself? Heck, can you even design a JF-17 Blk 4? Lol..

 

[prothought]

I find it amazing that people who gloat about the JF-17, for which their own nation did almost no development, and which uses a Russian engine are laughing about this. Your nation cannot even build another JF-17 Block 4 on your own and you talk about indigenous??

Your ignorance doesn't automatically mean that Pak has no contribution in the design and development work of JF-17.

As far the laughing part, it's really strange how an Indian is wondering about that. Just tell me if a fighter plane is paraded on the back of a truck, isn't that a matter of world laughter competition? You Indians have proved yourselves time and again to be the laughing ash of the world.