India’s Quiet Counter-China Strategy

[Vinod2070]

India is unlikely to use trade as a bargaining chip because the interest of the elite trumps the interest of the state and a drop in trade means a drop in their income.

Wow, that's a lot of baggage there.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I know all that. I somehow doubt that the nukes and missile transfers would still have happened in that case.

Frankly its a odd pairing, if you know what I mean.

Friends are often quite different, which is great if you value diversity.

Atheist China, and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. A great friendship.

We derive a lot of benefits from it. For example, Pakistan helps to give us a voice in the OIC, and other such Islamic organizations. Good relations with the Islamic world is essential to a growing nation like China, due to our thirst for resources.

There are not enough resources in the entire world, to allow all the developing countries, turn themselves into developed countries. This is the fundamental problem.

 

[Vinod2070]

What's done is done, there is now zero chance India will try to wipe Pakistan off the map.

Oh man. That is some serious megalomania there!

So you protected them from the evil Indians? The same Indians who had the exclusive ownership of nukes in South Asia for two decades and never used that opportunity to "wipe Pakistan off the map".

Frankly, there is more chance of you using a nuke on Taiwan than India doing that on Pakistan. We don't want a square inch from them.

 

[CardSharp]

Friends are often quite different, which is great if you value diversity.

Atheist China, and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. A great friendship.

We derive a lot of benefits from it. For example, Pakistan helps to give us a voice in the OIC, and other such Islamic organizations. Good relations with the Islamic world is essential to a growing nation like China, due to our thirst for resources.

There are not enough resources in the world, to allow all the developing countries, to become developed ones. This is where the future tensions will be.

Well said.

 

[CardSharp]

Oh man. That is some serious megalomania there!

So you protected them from the evil Indians? The same Indians who had the exclusive ownership of nukes in South Asia for two decades and never used that opportunity to "wipe Pakistan off the map".

Frankly, there is more chance of you using a nuke on Taiwan that India doing that on Pakistan. We don't want a square inch from them.

Nuclear weapons are a instant counter to India's numerical superiority in conventional forces.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Actually I find the Indian media big on talk and the Indian government big on promises and as for your stick, well there has to be someone to decide how it would be welded to effect.

Yes you are right the Chinese are afraid of the Indian media.

When HU or was it Wen, he categorically stated that there will be no media interaction.

You are again right that someone must be there to wield the Big Stick, but then Sun Tsu said:

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
Sun Tzu

 

[jbond197]

Nothing is stopping you pal besides the fact that you don't run the Indian Navy.

Well it is obvious that none of us debating here hold any deciding power on behalf of India or China.. What I have mentioned in my post has already happened in past when lots of ASEAN countries, Australia and US participated in the naval exercise. what i mentioned in the post above in the natural clubbing of like minded countries and has all likelihood of happening..

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Oh man. That is some serious megalomania there!

So you protected them from the evil Indians? The same Indians who had the exclusive ownership of nukes in South Asia for two decades and never used that opportunity to "wipe Pakistan off the map".

Frankly, there is more chance of you using a nuke on Taiwan than India doing that on Pakistan. We don't want a square inch from them.

Well the same argument could be made of the situation between China and India.

China had nukes first, and developed ICBM's first. But we never used them on India.

 

[Vinod2070]

Friends are often quite different, which is great if you value diversity.

Atheist China, and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. A great friendship.

We derive a lot of benefits from it. For example, Pakistan helps to give us a voice in the OIC, and other such Islamic organizations. Good relations with the Islamic world is essential to a growing nation like China, due to our thirst for resources.

There are not enough resources in the entire world, to allow all the developing countries, turn themselves into developed countries. This is the fundamental problem.

If it had not been India in the picture, the Pakistanis will only be talking of the Uighur issue in China and how the "Godless commie" China persecutes its Muslims. See how they talk of the former USSR.

Anyway, I am not going to make it too obvious. I am sure you can figure out what you mean and how incompatible this whole relationship is.

In fact, I agree with your OOE that there is going to be an inevitable clash between you two.

 

[CardSharp]

Yes you are right the Chinese are afraid of the Indian media.

When HU or was it Wen, he categorically stated that there will be no media interaction.

You are again right that someone must be there to wield the Big Stick, but then Sun Tsu said:

Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate.
Sun Tzu

Pretty sure Indian news isn't blocked, so I guess Hu and Wen doesn't think the spew coming from your neighbourhood is all that effective.


And I'd appreciated if you stopped showing off your Sun Tzu just because you read it at the staff college years and years ago.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Pretty sure Indian news isn't blocked.


And I'd appreciated if you stopped showing off your Sun Tzu just because you read it at the staff college years and years ago.

He is not even interpreting it himself. He just quotes it.My 8 year old brother can quote from books too. It is neither impressive or admirable.

 

[cross1993]

Oh man. That is some serious megalomania there!

So you protected them from the evil Indians? The same Indians who had the exclusive ownership of nukes in South Asia for two decades and never used that opportunity to "wipe Pakistan off the map".

Frankly, there is more chance of you using a nuke on Taiwan than India doing that on Pakistan. We don't want a square inch from them.

India's overwhelming military advantage for Pakistan.
As long as the Indian govt is willing to peace, It will be peace in South Asia. So the question is the Indian govt do not want to do that.

 

[Vinod2070]

Nuclear weapons are a instant counter to India's numerical superiority in conventional forces.

Well the same argument could be made of the situation between China and India.

China had nukes first, and developed ICBM's first. But we never used them on India.

Yes, same way as USSR or USA didn't use them on you! Even in the Korea war.

And the situation of nukes also applies in Indo-China case. That offsets any conventional superiority you have. War is not going to fetch anything to any party.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

What's done is done, there is now zero chance India will try to wipe Pakistan off the map.

I don't think there is any reason for India to wipe Pakistan or any other country off the map.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, it is their own people who are bent on destroying themselves. Yet, here on this forum, I take heart that there are Pakistanis who have realised the damage the people are doing to themselves and so these Pakistanis on the forum are trying to bring back some semblance of sanity and form to Pakistan and being it to those days when it was not swamped by fundamentalist, terrorists and Wahabism.

I say Good Luck and all success to the Pakistanis on this forum who are trying to bring back the days that were there before Zia uncapped the genie out of the bottle.

 

[CardSharp]

Well it is obvious that none of us debating here hold any deciding power on behalf of India or China.. What I have mentioned in my post has already happened in past when lots of ASEAN countries, Australia and US participated in the naval exercise. what i mentioned in the post above in the natural clubbing of like minded countries and has all likelihood of happening..

Bookmark this post and I'll let you rub it in my face when it happens.