India’s Quiet Counter-China Strategy

[Chinese-Dragon]

If it had not been India in the picture, the Pakistanis will only be talking of the Uighur issue in China and how the "Godless commie" China persecutes its Muslims. See how they talk of the former USSR.

Anyway, I am not going to make it too obvious. I am sure you can figure out what you mean and how incompatible this whole relationship is.

In fact, I agree with your OOE that there is going to be an inevitable clash between you two.

Well, that is a hypothetical.

I'm sure things might change in the future, but for the next few decades at least, I don't see any real issues.

 

[Vinod2070]

India's overwhelming military advantage for Pakistan.
As long as the Indian govt is willing to peace, It will be peace in South Asia. So the question is the Indian govt do not want to do that.

There is peace in South Asia. No war going on between India and Pakistan.

Peace is definitely what we want. That is why we are keeping the fence high and strong.

 

[CardSharp]

I don't think there is any reason for India to wipe Pakistan or any other country off the map.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, it is their own people who are bent on destroying themselves. Yet, here on this forum, I take heart that there are Pakistanis who have realised the damage the people are doing to themselves and so these Pakistanis on the forum are trying to bring back some semblance of sanity and form to Pakistan and being it to those days when it was not swamped by fundamentalist, terrorists and Wahabism.

I say Good Luck and all success to the Pakistanis on this forum who are trying to bring back the days that were there before Zia uncapped the genie out of the bottle.

Ahhh but 'being able to do it and not doing it' and 'not being able to do it' are politically different positions. I hope you can understand what I was trying to say, instead of misinterpreting my comment like the rest of these yahoos.

 

[jbond197]

Bookmark this post and I'll let you rub it in my face when it happens.

You can sure do that if that helps boost your ego! BTW to shatter your dream it already happened in 2007.

 

[Obambam]

It is always. I know your own is not squeaky clean either but that is not the point.

No government is "squeaky clean". What matters is the ability to make it not so obvious and and at least do the right things for the country and its people with whatever left over change that they have.

 

[Vinod2070]

Well, that is a hypothetical.

I'm sure things might change in the future, but for the next few decades at least, I don't see any real issues.

I won't venture so far out to make predictions.

Things can happen pretty quickly.

In Pakistan they say that the three As (Allah, Army and America) control the country. The army tries to balance USA and China and get stuff from both by playing each other.

This balance may not be sustainable and a choice may need to be made.

Who knows what that choice will be?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And the situation of nukes also applies in Indo-China case. That offsets any conventional superiority you have. War is not going to fetch anything to any party.

Well firstly, both China and India have a "no-first-use" policy, so a conventional war is still possible.

Secondly, I don't think India has enough nuclear weapons to cause the "assured destruction" of a country the size of China.

India does have enough nuclear weapons though, to cause "unacceptable losses" to China. In any case, any escalation to nuclear weapons, will result in massive retaliation from from sides.

Certainly not a great scenario.

 

[CardSharp]

You can sure do that if that helps boost your ego! BTW to shatter your dream it already happened in 2007.

When does this Indian based anti-Chinese league meet? Sorry you club not league.

 

[Developereo]

China is not popular among her neighbors but is popular in South Asia, solely because of the India factor.

Again, you are obsessed by your own self-worth. The countries in south Asia deal with China because it aligns with their national interests.

Not everything is about India.

Get over yourself!

No one has gifted UNSC seat to India or anyone. The statements in support are because they feel it is in their long term interest to support India. No one does charity in international diplomacy.

Precisely! It is in the West's national interest to prop up India as a counter to China.

Nuclear deal is mainly commercial. The strategic part is also in mutual interests.

Yes. India and the West share a mutual interest in China as a common enemy.

Defense deal with TOT are because they need the deals more than India! They need to keep those factories humming and the skilled workers in jobs. It is all for mutual benefit. Why project it as a favor?

Because if it was just about money, the West could have gone to China and gotten top dollar for their technology. The reason they embargo China while supporting India is for the aforementioned reason.

Many just don't want to believe that today's India is not the same as the one in the 1990. 20+ years of sustained economic growth and corresponding diplomatic strides have changed India.

We all acknowledge India has come a long way. The simple fact that the West is supporting India against China underscores their conviction that China is the real upcoming superpower, while India is not likely to be a significant factor on the world stage, i.e. not a threat.

See, I believe your colonel OOE on the WAB. "China will fight India to the last Pakistani".

This is originally a quote from WW2 about England and the US, and variations of the quote have been used by people since.

An equally popular and applicable version is, "The West will fight China to the last Indian".

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Go ahead. See how many come

Now, if you know about what the Govts on the periphery of China are thinking, they you are sure clairvoyant or you are the Head of the Chinese Intelligence Agency.

It would be preferable if you could append some links so that one could realise how true your statement is.

India is unlikely to use trade as a bargaining chip because the interest of the elite trumps the interest of the state and a drop in trade means a drop in their income.

Are you using your Nightmare and self suggesting into a dream?

No one except Indian members in this forum will waste a thread on it.

Obviously.

It does worry China if all other countries beyond China are worried about China's hegemonic pursuits and expansionism. Therefore, one is not surprise that the Chinese would prefer to emulate the ostrich.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I won't venture so far out to make predictions.

Things can happen pretty quickly.

In Pakistan they say that the three As (Allah, Army and America) control the country. The army tries to balance USA and China and get stuff from both by playing each other.

This balance may not be sustainable and a choice may need to be made.

Who knows what that choice will be?

I think Pakistan has a great future, especially if they can vote in a good government.

And even if that does not happen, I think the relationship is strong enough to sustain a healthy bilateral relationship, for a very long time.

Just my opinion.

 

[Vinod2070]

No government is "squeaky clean". What matters is the ability to make it not so obvious and and at least do the right things for the country and its people with whatever left over change that they have.

I take your point buddy. We are highly dissatisfied with corruption in India. And it effects our poor the most.

Some study recently said that China and Russia are more corrupt that India. That doesn't make me happy or want to pontificate to them.

They will deal with it the best they can as we will do with ours.

 

[Developereo]

I know all that. I somehow doubt that the nukes and missile transfers would still have happened in that case.

Frankly its a odd pairing, if you know what I mean.

It's only odd for people who are obssessed with religion, like Hindu fanatics.

 

[CardSharp]

Now, if you know about what the Govts on the periphery of China are thinking, they you are sure clairvoyant or you are the Head of the Chinese Intelligence Agency.

It would be preferable if you could append some links so that one could realise how true your statement is.



Are you using your Nightmare and self suggesting into a dream?



Obviously.

It does worry China if all other countries beyond China are worried about China's hegemonic pursuits and expansionism. Therefore, one is not surprise that the Chinese would prefer to emulate the ostrich.

With officers of your ilk, the PLA can sleep assured.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

An equally popular and applicable version is, "The West will fight China to the last Indian".

That would be news.

The West does not control India nor is India dependant on the West.

India has carved its niche on its own and the West requires it, more than India requires the West.

If I may remind you all the Big Five countries including China, came calling one after another last year.