India’s Quiet Counter-China Strategy

[Vinod2070]

Well firstly, both China and India have a "no-first-use" policy, so a conventional war is still possible.

Secondly, I don't think India has enough nuclear weapons to cause the "assured destruction" of a country the size of China.

India does have enough nuclear weapons though, to cause "unacceptable losses" to China. In any case, any escalation to nuclear weapons, will result in massive retaliation from from sides.

Certainly not a great scenario.

Yes, no one is looking at decimating Chinese people, just to deter any aggression.

BTW, India has enough fissile material for a worse case scenario. The nukes can be ramped up if needed.

"No first use" is a good doctrine. A conventional war in the himalayas is going to benefit no one, just kill a lot of soldiers for little other than massaging some fragile egos.

So it comes back to the same thing: the cost benefit of a war between India and China.

The costs are too high and the benefits too low.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

With officers of your ilk, the PLA can sleep safe.

Unfortunately, they don't.

Please answer the points and not go into a tizzy, if you will.

To quote the overworn cliché - Don't shoot the messenger. Shoot the message.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If I may remind you all the Big Five countries including China, came calling one after another last year.

That's right, to get contracts and export deals.

Without having to give up anything much on our end.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[jbond197]

It's only odd for people who are obssessed with religion, like Hindu fanatics.

Yeah and those are Hindu fanatics as well who are blasting themselves off on streets in Pakistan to attain shahadat.

 

[Developereo]

If it had not been India in the picture, the Pakistanis will only be talking of the Uighur issue in China and how the "Godless commie" China persecutes its Muslims. See how they talk of the former USSR.

Anyway, I am not going to make it too obvious. I am sure you can figure out what you mean and how incompatible this whole relationship is.

In fact, I agree with your OOE that there is going to be an inevitable clash between you two.

Pakistan opposed the USSR because they were India's big daddy.

Paksitan doesn't get involved with Muslim issues in China, Thailand, Philippines, Burma, etc, etc.

You will not understand politics until you stop seeing everything through a religious prism.

 

[Developereo]

Yeah and those are Hindu fanatics as well who are blasting themselves off on streets in Pakistan to attain shahadat.

We are talking about foreign relations here. Do try to focus and keep you Hindutva obsession in check.

 

[CardSharp]

Unfortunately, they don't.

Please answer the points and not go into a tizzy, if you will.

To quote the overworn cliché - Don't shoot the messenger. Shoot the message.

I would if there was a point instead of an insult.

Are you using your Nightmare and self suggesting into a dream?

 

[jbond197]

We are talking about foreign relations here. Do try to focus and keep you Hindutva obsession in check.

Nobody was talking religion before your post. So please keep your obsession with Hindus/Hindutva on side while reasoning out foreign relations here.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The costs are too high and the benefits too low.

I agree with that.

We just have to count on the various national leaderships to be "rational actors".

Naturally (being Chinese), I don't believe that China will launch the first strike in any such future hypothetical war.

 

[Vinod2070]

Again, you are obsessed by your own self-worth. The countries in south Asia deal with China because it aligns with their national interests.

Not everything is about India.

Get over yourself!

OK.

Precisely! It is in the West's national interest to prop up India as a counter to China.

Yes. India and the West share a mutual interest in China as a common enemy.

Because if it was just about money, the West could have gone to China and gotten top dollar for their technology. The reason they embargo China while supporting India is for the aforementioned reason.

Let's say I agree that there is a common ground to not let China be the only pole in Asia.

What is so wrong with that? They supported China against the USSR earlier?

I won't call it enmity though you would prefer that for obvious reasons.

China has great trade and other relations with USA and the West. They are not enemies as well.

We had sanctions against us for decades! The whole NSG sanction regime was designed for India.

We all acknowledge India has come a long way. The simple fact that the West is supporting India against China underscores their conviction that China is the real upcoming superpower, while India is not likely to be a significant factor on the world stage, i.e. not a threat.

And that suits us just fine.

This is originally a quote from WW2 about England and the US, and variations of the quote have been used by people since.

An equally popular and applicable version is, "The West will fight China to the last Indian".

We are not West's puppets. We are looking after our interests. If they happen to align, that is all the better.

We are not fighting China any time soon, however much you wish for that.

 

[Developereo]

India's overwhelming military advantage for Pakistan.
As long as the Indian govt is willing to peace, It will be peace in South Asia. So the question is the Indian govt do not want to do that.

India doesn't have any choice.

India huffed and puffed after 26/11 but, in the end, they realized they dare not attack Pakistan. That window of opportunity closed when Pakistan went nuclear.

 

[Vinod2070]

It's only odd for people who are obssessed with religion, like Hindu fanatics.

Lol. An Islamist passing fatwas.

Yet again.

 

[Developereo]

Nobody was talking religion before your post. So please keep your obsession with Hindus/Hindutva on side while reasoning out foreign relations here.

You seem to have reading difficulties. Feel free to read the thread again and see who brought in Islam and Uighurs.

Lol. An Islamist passing fatwas.

Yet again.

I am not the one who brought religion into this discussion.

You are.

Speaks volumes about your mindset and how you view international relationships.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

India doesn't have any choice.

India huffed and puffed after 26/11 but, in the end, they realized they dare not attack Pakistan. That window of opportunity closed when Pakistan went nuclear.

Even without nuclear weapons, Pakistan has done very well against India in conventional conflicts. Especially considering the size difference.

So even without nuclear weapons, a smaller adversary can often hold back a much larger adversary. There are many examples in history, Vietnam for one.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Indians should not use common sense to judge China govt.

1# Chinese govt will not care about Media Evaluation, Media can not affect it.
2# Chinese govt do not worry about military aggression, Military threat to no effect.

So if you want Chinese govt to listen to your request, you need some bargaining-chip to allow it to sit to the negotiating table. And trade relationship is the most effective bargaining-chip. Now Chinese govt is most concerned about trade.

If Chinese govt is not worried about the Media then what is this:

Wen upset with negative Indian media coverage

India does not have to request anything.

Why should India 'request'?