India’s Future Aircraft Carrier Force and the Need for Strategic Flexibility

[misterme2]

1.no thanx
we dont go in war and kill people just because someone wants us to.
we are not atall interested in policing and dominating countries around the world who have nothing against us.

2.afghanistan was always nearer to INDIA than USA but still 9/11 happened in USA not INDIA.

3. we would rather not know how 1st world countries use their weapons. instead we are happy in just maintaining good weapons and keeping aggressions away without really using them.

Complete emotional thinking nothing strategic about it. You fool, "Afghanistan is a near dear friend...blah blah"....shut up please. Afghanistan was being run by the Taliban and was a satellite of Pakistan. Remember when an Air India was hijacked and guess where the plane went? It was a security nightmare....wake the fuk up. If the US leaves, it will go right back to that headache for you guys. ONly a fool says your 3rd point......how will you ever use weapons if you don;t practice.....please I hope Indians are much smarter than you. Otherwise you will be a colony again, my simple minded friend. Sometimes you have to be proactive to protect your security. This is a textbook example.

 

[angeldemon_007]

India should've joined when the US asked INdia to.

First of all that never happened because Pakistan was more important to US than India. Just make an official announcement about this and you will see Pakistan start blackmailing you.
Second, war is not always the solution. You are thinking of attacking N.Korea and Iran.
N.Korea is still fine but attacking Iran would be huge mistake. First of all they are more stronger than Afg. and Iraq. Second, one more war in gulf and you will see what will happen to world economy because of crude price.
Instead of forcing every1 against Iran. If there are actual proof of nuclear weapons with Iran, share them with rest of the world and then leave it with them. We will talk and find solution. What you are doing is just telling every1 that Iran has nuclear weapons or they are devloping, its now time to share these info with every1. I am saying this because what happened in Iraq is making every1 to question you and if you are right then its giving Iran a chance to fool every1.

 

[misterme2]

First of all that never happened because Pakistan was more important to US than India. Just make an official announcement about this and you will see Pakistan start blackmailing you.
Second, war is not always the solution. You are thinking of attacking N.Korea and Iran.
N.Korea is still fine but attacking Iran would be huge mistake. First of all they are more stronger than Afg. and Iraq. Second, one more war in gulf and you will see what will happen to world economy because of crude price.
Instead of forcing every1 against Iran. If there are actual proof of nuclear weapons with Iran, share them with rest of the world and then leave it with them. We will talk and find solution. What you are doing is just telling every1 that Iran has nuclear weapons or they are devloping, its now time to share these info with every1. I am saying this because what happened in Iraq is making every1 to question you and if you are right then its giving Iran a chance to fool every1.

There is no proof of weapons, its a matter of time before they have it. The problem is that you want proof and that requires iran to actually have a weapon. When that happens, then it is too late. It has the capability and it is currently researching ways to make it happen. They have an active nuclear program.

 

[misterme2]

You make me laugh.... Do You even Know what Engineering is??? Switch to another Job in the same department after working on another for 4-5 hrs... If this is the way the engineers work in china them I am Sorry for there products....[/QUOTE]



Well this is happening in pakistan:
A man works with molten steel at Ittehad Steel Mill in Islamabad, Pakistan on Nov. 30. Workers involved in steel making and casting work in one hour shifts here due to the extreme heat and the level of concentration required to work safely. (Carl De Souza / AFP - Getty Images

 

[PRACTICAL PATRIOT]

Complete emotional thinking nothing strategic about it. You fool, "Afghanistan is a near dear friend...blah blah"....shut up please. Afghanistan was being run by the Taliban and was a satellite of Pakistan. Remember when an Air India was hijacked and guess where the plane went? It was a security nightmare....wake the fuk up. If the US leaves, it will go right back to that headache for you guys. ONly a fool says your 3rd point......how will you ever use weapons if you don;t practice.....please I hope Indians are much smarter than you. Otherwise you will be a colony again, my simple minded friend. Sometimes you have to be proactive to protect your security. This is a textbook example.

first of all keep you america rules world attitude to yourself and other americans i dont need it and watch your language.
since you are american i can understand what you are saying.
and i never said INDIA is close friend to afghanistan i said INDIA is closer(geographically).
and second we dont need to go into war to practice using weapons. we know value of innocent lives.

 

[misterme2]

first of all keep you america rules world attitude to yourself and other americans i dont need it and watch your language.
since you are american i can understand what you are saying.
and i never said INDIA is close friend to afghanistan i said INDIA is closer(geographically).
and second we dont need to go into war to practice using weapons. we know value of innocent lives.

Well again stupid response. "Know the value of innocent live"...are you serious? Why won't you open your eyes and read an Indian newspaper. Do you really want me to point the stupidity of your response. You guys are target practice for other countries. Why do you think this is a war? This is for the stabilization of Afghanistan, your neighbor. Let's see do you prefer Taliban or democratic.

 

[sancho]

Why do you think this is a war? This is for the stabilization of Afghanistan, your neighbor. Let's see do you prefer Taliban or democratic.

Please! You invaded the country to get Bin Laden, which u still didn't achieved btw, stabilize the county, or getting rid of the Taliban had nothing to do with it, the Bush administration was even quiet friendly with them for years.
India has interest in a stable Afganistan, as well as economic and political relations (that India had in the past too), but it is not in Indias interest to fight wars that you started, without acceptance of the UN and that would make the situation with Pakistan even worse.

So please stop this unneccesary discussion and get back to topic!

 

[angeldemon_007]

@ sancho
Man, i still don't get it ?// Why did they invaded Afg. ?// Not to mention Iraq
When everybody knows the terrorists where from Pakistan It just proves, week poeple always suffers the wrath of strong...

There is no proof of weapons, its a matter of time before they have it. The problem is that you want proof and that requires iran to actually have a weapon.

Dude, developing nuclear weapons need special grade nuclear material and the facility to develop these material. Also the facility to carry this payload. If you get these proves that they have such kind of facilities then thats enough, then you can ask every1 to do something about it.

But you are just asking to attack Iran without any of those proof. Dude world economy will be collapsed because of this. No to mention this action will cause more hatred in the world and also you will develop one more Afganistan, which would be much devastating in nature than Afganistan.

This is for the stabilization of Afghanistan, your neighbor. Let's see do you prefer Taliban or democratic.

You want to stabilize Afganistan, then your only solution is to control Pakistan. Take some bold steps...I don't get it, why US acting so naive about Pak. ?? You want to finish your work in Afganistan, then do something about Pakistan....

 

[deepakclaw]

THIS IS IMPRACTICAL
1.surface aircraft carriers primary survival depends on its assisting ships like frigates and destroyers to counter ay threat because AC alone is a sitting duck senario.what will happen to this one??? either it has to be assisted by surface ships or u have to design a new submarine frigates and destroyers.
2.areal threat will be at high because it wont be able to counter aircrafts while underwater.it ll be ab easy target.even it wats to counter it needs to surface anyway.
3.to launch airfrafts it definitely need to surface itself and for landing too.... and ill be impossible to surface and submerge easily due to its sheer size.

Good for us but look at what China is planning.
Chinese Navy's "strategic nuclear submarine Aircraft carrier" design

I hope its not true. We should design something like this.

 

[OrionHunter]

Well, it's not sufficient to just have an aircraft carrier with those fancy missiles and aircraft aboard. There has to be a strike group with the carrier as the fulcrum. So, what does a typical Carrier Strike Group comprise of for it to be effective?

> An Aircraft Carrier, which is the centerpiece of the strike group which also serves as the flagship for the CSG Commander and staff.

> A carrier air wing typically consisting of up to two squadrons.

> One to two guided missile cruisers (CG), with multi-mission surface combat capability, equipped with various missiles for long-range strike capability.

> An escort destroyer squadron (DESRON) with two to three guided missile destroyers with multi-mission surface combat capabilities, used primarily for anti-aircraft (AAW) and anti-submarine (ASW) warfare, but which also carries cruise missiles for long-range strike capability.

> At least two attack submarines, used to screen the strike group against hostile surface ships and submarines, but which also carry cruise missiles for long-range strike capability.

> A combined ammunition, oiler and supply ship (AOE/AOR), providing logistic support.

Now the question is, do we have the wherewithal as mentioned above for a viable and effective carrier based strike or battle group that can operate independently for protracted periods? And then, how many such strike groups can we afford?

Last but not the least, the timeline when all this will become operational?

 

[Polemos]

THIS IS IMPRACTICAL
1.surface aircraft carriers primary survival depends on its assisting ships like frigates and destroyers to counter ay threat because AC alone is a sitting duck senario.what will happen to this one??? either it has to be assisted by surface ships or u have to design a new submarine frigates and destroyers.
2.areal threat will be at high because it wont be able to counter aircrafts while underwater.it ll be ab easy target.even it wats to counter it needs to surface anyway.
3.to launch airfrafts it definitely need to surface itself and for landing too.... and ill be impossible to surface and submerge easily due to its sheer size.

Like ASAT testing, it is meant as a deterrent to US satellite tech. Not a very practical idea.