India & Russia Sign Intention Protocol For Prelimnary Design Work of Sukhoi Su-35S Super Flanker

[GURU DUTT]

ek aur shagoofa

bi god IAF top brass is reralli very very crafty

 

[Gessler]

Super-Sukhoi upgrade
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Tikhomirov N036-based AESA radar (possibly with GaN), anywhere between 1500 and 2000 T/R
Tikhomirov N036S-based side-looking AESA radars (not sure), each with 600 T/R
Tikhomirov rear-looking AESA radar, 600-800 T/R
L-band AESA radars in wing leading edges
Next-gen QWIP IRSTs front and rear-looking
Su35/PAKFA-based cockpit MFDs and new HMDS
Uprated AL-31FP with 20% higher thrust, possible supercruise capability
~7500kg payload
New MAWS, other sensors
Ability to carry all latest Russian/Indian weapons

Rafale & it's upgrade path
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RBE-2AA GaN-based AESA radar, ~1000 T/R
Dual-band QWIP IRST, TV, other optical sensors comprising FSO
360* situational awareness with FSO+WSO sensors (DDM-NG)
Other advanced MAWS, DIRCM etc. comprising SPECTRA
Active cancellation tech to achieve 0.00X sq m RCS figures
Supercruise-capable M88-2 engines with many upgrades to come
Smartskin concept with multiple transceiver arrays throughout airframe
~9000kg payload
Ability to carry almost all latest Western/Indian weapons

FGFA
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Tikhomirov N036 GaN-based AESA with around 1500-2000 T/R
Same side, rear-facing radar arrays as MKI. L-band radars might or might not be there
360* situational awareness with 101KS-X series of optical sensors
Next-gen turbofan engines "Type-30" variable-cycle (VCE) design...doesn't need oxygen to start, so much good things
Possibility of plasma (ionised gases)-based stealth system as part of countermeasures package
The definition of a true air superiority fighter

Tell me where a Su-35S could possibly fit in here? And what would it offer that SuperMKI, Rafale or FGFA wouldn't?

This news is bogus...it's just probably something related to Sukhoi upgrade itself.

 

[sancho]

What is 'this' now?

Most likely a mix of false reporting and Russian hope. False reporting, since the report might be mixed up with recent offers to Indonesian Air Force and Su35s including ToT. Russian hope, because they might propose early Pak Fa's instead of MMRCAs, since that is more beneficial to them, as it increases the production order for the Russian production line and could reduce the unit cost.
The Russians know that the Su35 has is a no go for India, since it doesn't offer anything that India couldn't simply add to the MKI, nor does it offer the same advantages as a stealth fighter.

 

[Dash]

Most likely a mix of false reporting and Russian hope. False reporting, since the report might be mixed up with recent offers to Indonesian Air Force and Su35s including ToT. Russian hope, because they might propose early Pak Fa's instead of MMRCAs, since that is more beneficial to them, as it increases the production order for the Russian production line and could reduce the unit cost.
The Russians know that the Su35 has is a no go for India, since it doesn't offer anything that India couldn't simply add to the MKI, nor does it offer the same advantages as a stealth fighter.

With a slow down in Russian economy, Russia now desperate to feast on the delays with the french and quite rightly so for the stalled mistral deal. But the french too know that india won't go for su35 so hard luck

 

[sancho]

With a slow down in Russian economy, Russia now desperate to feast on the delays with the french and quite rightly so for the stalled mistral deal. But the french too know that india won't go for su35 so hard luck

Well the Russians are desperate to sell fighters at all, since neither the Mig 29 /35 is selling anymore, nor were they able to find a single export customer for their Su 35 so far. But the simple fact is, that the upgraded MKI will again be very close to the Su 35 itself, with upgraded BARS, new avionics and EW, as well as the RCS reduction features. That simply makes the Su 35 pointless for India. So if at all, they give us a good deal for Pak Fa's as a short term deal, but even that is not a counter to MMRCA.
Dassault can only kill the Rafale deal on their own and that's what they did for the last few years, but hopefully things improved to an extend where we finally get fix the deal. It's high time for MMRCAs!

 

[Dash]

Well the Russians are desperate to sell fighters at all, since neither the Mig 29 /35 is selling anymore, nor were they able to find a single export customer for their Su 35 so far. But the simple fact is, that the upgraded MKI will again be very close to the Su 35 itself, with upgraded BARS, new avionics and EW, as well as the RCS reduction features. That simply makes the Su 35 pointless for India. So if at all, they give us a good deal for Pak Fa's as a short term deal, but even that is not a counter to MMRCA.
Dassault can only kill the Rafale deal on their own and that's what they did for the last few years, but hopefully things improved to an extend where we finally get fix the deal. It's high time for MMRCAs!

I'm quite positive that an agreement will be reached before Modi's visit to France. And a reason why these kind of articles are coming these days frequently to divert attention and focus.

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

Sounds like the Rafale Deal is dead

It died the day Dassault decided to play over smart and try to hike the price. There was no possible way out of that.

The deals been dead for a long time, IAF just din't want to admit it.

 

[TimeTraveller]

Well the Russians are desperate to sell fighters at all, since the neither the Mig 29 /35 is selling anymore, nor were they able to find a single export customer for their Su 35 so far. But the simple fact is, that the upgraded MKI will again be very close to the Su 35 itself, with upgraded BARS, new avionics and EW, as well as the RCS reduction features. That simply makes the Su 35 pointless for India. So if at all, they give us a good deal for Pak Fa's as a short term deal, but even that is not a counter to MMRCA.
Dassault can only kill the Rafale deal on their own and that's what they did for the last few years, but hopefully things improved to an extend where we finally get fix the deal. It's high time for MMRCAs!

One Question..........Will IAF upgrade the engines of Su30MKIs.....?........I mean currently SU30MKI is having AL31FP while Su35 is having an upgraded verion AL41F1S....I mean to say what about the engines as earlier IAF was having a tough time with these engines.............
Also which model of radar IAF is selecting, Zhuk AE FGA 29 or Zhuk AE FGA 35.....?.......

 

[MokshaVimukthi]

I'm quite positive that an agreement will be reached before Modi's visit to France. And a reason why these kind of articles are coming these days frequently to divert attention and focus.

99.99% sure its not going to happen. Dassault canno't reduce the price without looking lie a thief, and MoD will not sign and cannot sign this deal with such inflated price.

 

[sancho]

I'm quite positive that an agreement will be reached before Modi's visit to France.

Hopefully, it took far too long, but we still wait for a proper confirmation from Dassault about taking responsibility.

One Question..........Will IAF upgrade the engines of Su30MKIs.....?

It's seems that they replace the Al 31 once with new once only during the overhaul and for commonality reasons they will keep doing that with the additional 42 as well. If the AL 31 itself gets more thrusts or changes is a different issue, but I don't expect anything in that direction with this upgrade.

Also which model of radar IAF is selecting, Zhuk AE FGA 29 or Zhuk AE FGA 35.....?.......

For the MKI? None of them, it most likely will be an upgrade of the BARS PESA to a similar level as in the Su30SM or possibly close to IRBIS-E. No AESA was selected so far and the NIIP says that it's better to upgrade BARS now and replace it with a varient of the FGFA AESA later.

 

[TimeTraveller]

Hopefully, it took far too long, but we still wait for a proper confirmation from Dassault about taking responsibility.



It's seems that they replace the Al 31 once with new once only during the overhaul and for commonality reasons they will keep doing that with the additional 42 as well. If the AL 31 itself gets more thrusts or changes is a different issue, but I don't expect anything in that direction with this upgrade.



For the MKI? None of them, it most likely will be an upgrade of the BARS PESA to a similar level as in the Su30SM or possibly close to IRBIS-E. No AESA was selected so far and the NIIP says that it's better to upgrade BARS now and replace it with a varient of the FGFA AESA later.

Ok Thanks Sir.....But IRIBIS E is PESA radar but wikipedia shows that IAF will replace it with an AESA radar and possibly Phazotron Zhuk AE........

 

[sancho]

Ok Thanks Sir.....But IRIBIS E is PESA radar but wikipedia shows that IAF will replace it with an AESA radar and possibly Phazotron Zhuk AE........

IAF prefered an AESA upgrade initially and the Russian companies Phazotron and NIIP proposed Zhuk AE and an AESA version of BARS initially, but as said nothing was fixed and now with the FGFA AESA available around 2020, it would make more sense to just go for a minor upgrade now and and take a more capable AESA with more commonality to FGFA later.

 

[TimeTraveller]

IAF prefered an AESA upgrade initially and the Russian companies Phazotron and NIIP proposed Zhuk AE and an AESA version of BARS initially, but as said nothing was fixed and now with the FGFA AESA available around 2020, it would make more sense to just go for a minor upgrade now and and take a more capable AESA with more commonality to FGFA later.

Ok Thanks Sir......

 

[Superboy]

I thought there already is a Su-35S S for serial.

Sukhoi Su-35 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

MKIED SU 35 IN TALKS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND INDIA


The Russian Su 35 S without the Wingtip Jammer

With the depleting number of fighter squadrons in the IAF the Indian government called out the MRCA tender worth initially about 82000 crore. Under the deal the winning bidder was to supply 126 multi-role combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force (IAF). The deal featured six battle proven and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft. The Boeing featured its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the French fielded the Dassault Rafale, Euro fighter Typhoon, the Us backed Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, the Russian’s fielded the advanced Mikoyan MiG-35, and Saab JAS 39 Gripen. After an intensive and detailed technical evaluation by the IAF the bidders were reduced to Dassault Rafale and the Euro fighter Typhoon. By January 2012 Rafale was declared the winner of the MMRCA competition, beating Eurofighter Typhoon on cost. Rafale agreed for a full ToT to Indian based HAL, which would be manufacturing 108 of the Rafale under licence. But after Rafale was selected numerous numbers of flaws were being reported by the opposite’s sides. The deal never made headway and always remained in turbulent waters. Dassault and the Indian counterpart have had disputes with the licence and the warranty issues. The deal as to date is yet to be signed and it is widely reported the Indian government is looking for replacements with the SU 30 MKI making headway in the process.

India has enjoyed a longstanding and wide-ranging cooperation with Russia in the field of defense. India-Russia military technical cooperation has evolved from a simple buyer - seller framework to one involving joint research, development and production of advanced defense technologies and systems. With the MRCA deal signed with the French based Dassualt heading towards a deadlock the Indian government is interested towards the Russian products which include the SU 30 and the SU 35. But the major clause for the MRCA deal was to bridge the gap between the LCA and the Multi-Role SU 30 aircraft. In the recently held IDEX at UAE, Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov was quoted saying “We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35," said during the IDEX show in Abu Dhabi last month. "Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation “. The company with this has confirmed initial talks and has also confirmed the inking of the intention protocol. The deal includes supplying the IAF with Ground attack version of Su 35. Rostec claims the Su-35S would be a fifth generation fighter, as opposed to the legacy fourth generation Su-35. That implies stealth, but it is still unclear whether the jet would be on par with an F-35 joint strike fighter. The Su-35S is a more improved and modified ‘ground attack’ units. But the Indian government is yet to confirm any of the news related to SU35. If the deal is indeed signed and the IAF opts for a better modified and stealth capable SU-35S it raises an array of question.

The future of MRCA deal?

The proposed modernization plans for the Sukhoi’s ?

With the SU-35S inducted, the path of India’s very own stealth aircraft under AMCA project ?

The Su-35S is a aircraft that has no proven track record. The aircraft is yet to see any battle. And with stealth being integrated the aircraft may turn out be an heavy aircraft which effectively place it in another field. But Rafale is an aircraft that has proven battlefield capabilities. It’s optimized to fly in extremely low level altitudes evading enemy Air defence and can provide effective close Air support. The Rafale is currently being involved in operations against in Iraq. With the incidents involving the shoot down of the Jordanian F 16 the collation forces have restricted the minimum flight altitude 6000 ft which would effectively evade the MANPAD Threat. Charged with an ‘Close Air support’ over Peshmerga the Rafale’s did a remarkable ground Run and killing scores of some ISIS members. The Rafale had remarkably used it’s Gatling cannon. The A10 gunships had failed in the same mission after being struck with MANPADS.


Glass Digital Cockpit Display of Su 35

The Rafales can carry six 500lb PGM/LGB with three 2000lts Drop tank and a Targeting Pod, along with 6 other A2A missiles, which is truly an outstanding configuration which cannot be seen on other aircraft. The Su 35S can carry an array of Unguided Dumb Bombs which may vary according to the modification India would demand. The SU-35S is rumored to house around 32 Unguided Dumb ammunition of 250 lbs. The F-16 is also rumored to house around 16 250lbs of Guided small diameter bombs. The Su 35 is fitted out with Four PGM each of 1000lbs. This would prove decisive in a guided ground air support. The F 15 E with SDB or Su 35 with FAB 250 or KAB 1000 can carry two A2A missiles. If intercepted by enemy aircraft the chances of survivability is extremely low.


Bunch of Armour in Su 35 Static display only

The Rafale comes with five wet points which effectively sums to five drop tanks unlike the Rafale, the Flanker series are designed with no wet points. The aircraft relays only on the Internal fuel tanks but the Modified Su 35 S comes with three wet Points which would enhance the combat range to a great extent. The Rafale uses the Spectra EW system. The Su 35 is armed with wingtip jammers in the form of SAP 350 or SAP 518.

The Su 35 S is an Fifth Generation aircraft with Stealth capability. With China already pacing orders for Su 35 and deliveries to being shortly, the deal is being given great importance. Since SU-35S is an under development various requirements of IAF can be taken care in a effective manner.