India & Russia Sign Intention Protocol For Prelimnary Design Work of Sukhoi Su-35S Super Flanker

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Loook like ... Mistral is going to cost France heavily...

Take Rafale Deal in Danger like news with handful of salt. Such articles could be funded by Russia/ GOI.

MKIED SU 35 IN TALKS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND INDIA


The Russian Su 35 S without the Wingtip Jammer

With the depleting number of fighter squadrons in the IAF the Indian government called out the MRCA tender worth initially about 82000 crore. Under the deal the winning bidder was to supply 126 multi-role combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force (IAF). The deal featured six battle proven and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft. The Boeing featured its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the French fielded the Dassault Rafale, Euro fighter Typhoon, the Us backed Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, the Russian’s fielded the advanced Mikoyan MiG-35, and Saab JAS 39 Gripen. After an intensive and detailed technical evaluation by the IAF the bidders were reduced to Dassault Rafale and the Euro fighter Typhoon. By January 2012 Rafale was declared the winner of the MMRCA competition, beating Eurofighter Typhoon on cost. Rafale agreed for a full ToT to Indian based HAL, which would be manufacturing 108 of the Rafale under licence. But after Rafale was selected numerous numbers of flaws were being reported by the opposite’s sides. The deal never made headway and always remained in turbulent waters. Dassault and the Indian counterpart have had disputes with the licence and the warranty issues. The deal as to date is yet to be signed and it is widely reported the Indian government is looking for replacements with the SU 30 MKI making headway in the process.

India has enjoyed a longstanding and wide-ranging cooperation with Russia in the field of defense. India-Russia military technical cooperation has evolved from a simple buyer - seller framework to one involving joint research, development and production of advanced defense technologies and systems. With the MRCA deal signed with the French based Dassualt heading towards a deadlock the Indian government is interested towards the Russian products which include the SU 30 and the SU 35. But the major clause for the MRCA deal was to bridge the gap between the LCA and the Multi-Role SU 30 aircraft. In the recently held IDEX at UAE, Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov was quoted saying “We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35," said during the IDEX show in Abu Dhabi last month. "Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation “. The company with this has confirmed initial talks and has also confirmed the inking of the intention protocol. The deal includes supplying the IAF with Ground attack version of Su 35. Rostec claims the Su-35S would be a fifth generation fighter, as opposed to the legacy fourth generation Su-35. That implies stealth, but it is still unclear whether the jet would be on par with an F-35 joint strike fighter. The Su-35S is a more improved and modified ‘ground attack’ units. But the Indian government is yet to confirm any of the news related to SU35. If the deal is indeed signed and the IAF opts for a better modified and stealth capable SU-35S it raises an array of question.

The future of MRCA deal?

The proposed modernization plans for the Sukhoi’s ?

With the SU-35S inducted, the path of India’s very own stealth aircraft under AMCA project ?

The Su-35S is a aircraft that has no proven track record. The aircraft is yet to see any battle. And with stealth being integrated the aircraft may turn out be an heavy aircraft which effectively place it in another field. But Rafale is an aircraft that has proven battlefield capabilities. It’s optimized to fly in extremely low level altitudes evading enemy Air defence and can provide effective close Air support. The Rafale is currently being involved in operations against in Iraq. With the incidents involving the shoot down of the Jordanian F 16 the collation forces have restricted the minimum flight altitude 6000 ft which would effectively evade the MANPAD Threat. Charged with an ‘Close Air support’ over Peshmerga the Rafale’s did a remarkable ground Run and killing scores of some ISIS members. The Rafale had remarkably used it’s Gatling cannon. The A10 gunships had failed in the same mission after being struck with MANPADS.


Glass Digital Cockpit Display of Su 35

The Rafales can carry six 500lb PGM/LGB with three 2000lts Drop tank and a Targeting Pod, along with 6 other A2A missiles, which is truly an outstanding configuration which cannot be seen on other aircraft. The Su 35S can carry an array of Unguided Dumb Bombs which may vary according to the modification India would demand. The SU-35S is rumored to house around 32 Unguided Dumb ammunition of 250 lbs. The F-16 is also rumored to house around 16 250lbs of Guided small diameter bombs. The Su 35 is fitted out with Four PGM each of 1000lbs. This would prove decisive in a guided ground air support. The F 15 E with SDB or Su 35 with FAB 250 or KAB 1000 can carry two A2A missiles. If intercepted by enemy aircraft the chances of survivability is extremely low.


Bunch of Armour in Su 35 Static display only

The Rafale comes with five wet points which effectively sums to five drop tanks unlike the Rafale, the Flanker series are designed with no wet points. The aircraft relays only on the Internal fuel tanks but the Modified Su 35 S comes with three wet Points which would enhance the combat range to a great extent. The Rafale uses the Spectra EW system. The Su 35 is armed with wingtip jammers in the form of SAP 350 or SAP 518.

The Su 35 S is an Fifth Generation aircraft with Stealth capability. With China already pacing orders for Su 35 and deliveries to being shortly, the deal is being given great importance. Since SU-35S is an under development various requirements of IAF can be taken care in a effective manner.

Rafale is better suited for A2G role compared to any flanker barring Su 32/34................

MKIED SU 35 IN TALKS BETWEEN RUSSIA AND INDIA


The Russian Su 35 S without the Wingtip Jammer

With the depleting number of fighter squadrons in the IAF the Indian government called out the MRCA tender worth initially about 82000 crore. Under the deal the winning bidder was to supply 126 multi-role combat aircraft to the Indian Air Force (IAF). The deal featured six battle proven and highly manoeuvrable fighter aircraft. The Boeing featured its F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the French fielded the Dassault Rafale, Euro fighter Typhoon, the Us backed Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, the Russian’s fielded the advanced Mikoyan MiG-35, and Saab JAS 39 Gripen. After an intensive and detailed technical evaluation by the IAF the bidders were reduced to Dassault Rafale and the Euro fighter Typhoon. By January 2012 Rafale was declared the winner of the MMRCA competition, beating Eurofighter Typhoon on cost. Rafale agreed for a full ToT to Indian based HAL, which would be manufacturing 108 of the Rafale under licence. But after Rafale was selected numerous numbers of flaws were being reported by the opposite’s sides. The deal never made headway and always remained in turbulent waters. Dassault and the Indian counterpart have had disputes with the licence and the warranty issues. The deal as to date is yet to be signed and it is widely reported the Indian government is looking for replacements with the SU 30 MKI making headway in the process.

India has enjoyed a longstanding and wide-ranging cooperation with Russia in the field of defense. India-Russia military technical cooperation has evolved from a simple buyer - seller framework to one involving joint research, development and production of advanced defense technologies and systems. With the MRCA deal signed with the French based Dassualt heading towards a deadlock the Indian government is interested towards the Russian products which include the SU 30 and the SU 35. But the major clause for the MRCA deal was to bridge the gap between the LCA and the Multi-Role SU 30 aircraft. In the recently held IDEX at UAE, Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov was quoted saying “We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35," said during the IDEX show in Abu Dhabi last month. "Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation “. The company with this has confirmed initial talks and has also confirmed the inking of the intention protocol. The deal includes supplying the IAF with Ground attack version of Su 35. Rostec claims the Su-35S would be a fifth generation fighter, as opposed to the legacy fourth generation Su-35. That implies stealth, but it is still unclear whether the jet would be on par with an F-35 joint strike fighter. The Su-35S is a more improved and modified ‘ground attack’ units. But the Indian government is yet to confirm any of the news related to SU35. If the deal is indeed signed and the IAF opts for a better modified and stealth capable SU-35S it raises an array of question.

The future of MRCA deal?

The proposed modernization plans for the Sukhoi’s ?

With the SU-35S inducted, the path of India’s very own stealth aircraft under AMCA project ?

The Su-35S is a aircraft that has no proven track record. The aircraft is yet to see any battle. And with stealth being integrated the aircraft may turn out be an heavy aircraft which effectively place it in another field. But Rafale is an aircraft that has proven battlefield capabilities. It’s optimized to fly in extremely low level altitudes evading enemy Air defence and can provide effective close Air support. The Rafale is currently being involved in operations against in Iraq. With the incidents involving the shoot down of the Jordanian F 16 the collation forces have restricted the minimum flight altitude 6000 ft which would effectively evade the MANPAD Threat. Charged with an ‘Close Air support’ over Peshmerga the Rafale’s did a remarkable ground Run and killing scores of some ISIS members. The Rafale had remarkably used it’s Gatling cannon. The A10 gunships had failed in the same mission after being struck with MANPADS.


Glass Digital Cockpit Display of Su 35

The Rafales can carry six 500lb PGM/LGB with three 2000lts Drop tank and a Targeting Pod, along with 6 other A2A missiles, which is truly an outstanding configuration which cannot be seen on other aircraft. The Su 35S can carry an array of Unguided Dumb Bombs which may vary according to the modification India would demand. The SU-35S is rumored to house around 32 Unguided Dumb ammunition of 250 lbs. The F-16 is also rumored to house around 16 250lbs of Guided small diameter bombs. The Su 35 is fitted out with Four PGM each of 1000lbs. This would prove decisive in a guided ground air support. The F 15 E with SDB or Su 35 with FAB 250 or KAB 1000 can carry two A2A missiles. If intercepted by enemy aircraft the chances of survivability is extremely low.


Bunch of Armour in Su 35 Static display only

The Rafale comes with five wet points which effectively sums to five drop tanks unlike the Rafale, the Flanker series are designed with no wet points. The aircraft relays only on the Internal fuel tanks but the Modified Su 35 S comes with three wet Points which would enhance the combat range to a great extent. The Rafale uses the Spectra EW system. The Su 35 is armed with wingtip jammers in the form of SAP 350 or SAP 518.

The Su 35 S is an Fifth Generation aircraft with Stealth capability. With China already pacing orders for Su 35 and deliveries to being shortly, the deal is being given great importance. Since SU-35S is an under development various requirements of IAF can be taken care in a effective manner.

The main problem with Su 35 is its unreliable engines................

117S is not mature.

If my guess is right, SUPERR SU 30 will have 117 as powerplant, which has thrust of 147 KN/ 33,000 lbf/ 14,969 KG.

PK Sengupta was talking about this engine when he taked about Super MKI

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Maneuverable multi-purpose fighter Su-35, equipped with the latest engines with thrust vectoring and turning a fundamentally new avionics based on digital information management system incorporates some of the latest advances in science and technology, so that in the Russian Air Force, he will be an excellent complement perspective fifth-generation fighter. According to the developer, in the near-term, Su-35, the ability to apply a wide range of modern aircraft weapons, will have an overwhelming superiority over other multi-purpose fighter fourth generation in service with other countries.


Lingering birth

In the mid-1970s in the Soviet Union launched the first to elaborate on the possibility of establishing a term of 20-25 years, combat aircraft of the new generation, which was closer to the end of the century change in combatant units of domestic Air Force (IAF) warplanes previous generations. At the same time, as noted in the Russian sources, the then Chief Designer of Sukhoi Eugene A. Ivanov (1911-1983 gg.), Who held the post in 1977-82 years., Proposed the idea of further improvement in the framework of the program of the Su-27, considering its potential high enough to create a "fighter '90s."



As a result, soon after the start of serial deliveries of the first Su-27 combat units specialists OKB PO Sukhoi began work on further improvement of the aircraft and as a result for the Soviet Air Force was developed modernized version of the single, designated Su-27M. The main directions of modernization were identified improving aircraft performance and maneuvering characteristics of the aircraft, as well as increasing its combat potential, including the provision of much higher combat capabilities for combating air targets and the empowerment of combat aircraft to destroy ground targets of different types.


Thus, the Su-27M in the ranks of the Air Force, and possibly Aviation Navy, had eventually become a multi-purpose replacement for the Su-27 first generation is in fact a "clean" air defense fighter (air supremacy ) and not too adapted to strike ground and, especially, sea targets: Su-27 could be used against ground targets only bombs and unguided rocket, which was totally inadequate in today's soldiers, and most importantly - the fighter weapon control system had no specialized tools for effective detection and identification of ground targets.

December 29, 1983, the Commission on military-industrial issues at the Council of Ministers decides on the development of a modernized, but by and large a completely new multi-purpose fighter Su-27M (factory code - T-10M), according to which the management of Machine-Building Plant PO name Dry entrusted with the development of its conceptual design. Design work on the subject carried out by experts team of fighters projects bureau, which at that time led by Mikhail Pogosyan (b. 1956), and the overall management of the program carried out by General Designer of OKB Mikhail Simonov (1929-2011 gg.). Later, the chief designer and head of the threads Su-27M series became LI Knyshov, Nikolai Fedorovich Nikitin (b. 1950), and from 1996 - Vladimir Sergeyevich Konoha.




Distinctive features of the new fighter were to become not only the latest avionics systems and weapons, but also improvements such as canards (PGO), which allows to increase the maneuverability of the aircraft; system in-flight refueling and allowing the suspension underwing fuel tanks with a capacity of 2,000 liters; latest digital electro-remote control system (FBWCS), as well as instrumentation cockpit formed on a "glass cockpit", and upgraded power plant based on advanced AL-31F engines with increased to 12,500 to 13,000 kgf thrust.


An important feature of the new fighter, which provides a significant increase in its combat potential, was supposed to be a powerful new airborne radar (radar) type H011 (chief designer Osmanovic Bekirbaev Tamerlane), is equipped with a slot antenna array and has an increased range target detection and tracking, that in the presence corresponding weapons grade "air to air" allows you to dogfight even at long range (according to Russian sources, during one of the tests of the goal of the "heavy fighter," that is an analogue of the Su-27, were found at a distance of over 300 km!) .

In addition, the new radar, the development of which was carried out by specialists located in Zhukovsky near Moscow Research Institute of Instrumentation them. VV Tikhomirov (today JSC "NIIP"), taking into account developments obtained by the program to create radar "Sword" slot-array antenna and electronic scanning of the beam in the vertical plane should have an increased noise immunity and additional modes "air - surface". For an overview of the rear hemisphere on a plane, it was decided also to use radar rearview N012, the development of which was carried Ryazan Research Institute "Sunrise" (now - as part of "Fazotron-NIIR").

The plane was to be equipped with new and opto-electronic sighting and navigation system, which included flight control and navigation system PNA-10M, fiber-location station OLS-27K, helmet-mounted target designation system and display the "gap-3UM" weapon control system, measuring angle velocities and linear accelerations, the digital computer system and so forth.




It is worth to mention the weapons upgraded fighter planes latest models of guided missile weapons - especially promising SD-class "air - air" medium-range missiles equipped with active radar homing and inertial control system (today known as R-77 or RVV-AE), and as the intention of the developer and the customer install an upgraded aircraft navigation equipment, the latest avionics defense system (consisting of - new electronic intelligence station, teplopelengator to detect missile launches, automatic shooting passive interference APP-50, the station's active electronic jamming "Sorption" (two container on the wingtips) and control subsystem based on a powerful digital computer) and advanced instrumentation cabin of the new generation (three high-contrast monochrome wide format multifunction display on a cathode-ray tubes with push-button frame, improved light on the background of the windshield and so on.).


In connection with the installation of a new aircraft avionics developers had to make changes to the design of the machine. In particular, significant changes were made to the nose of the fuselage and the tail boom center, where they were placed antenna device of new airborne radar view front and rear hemispheres: the nose cone was carried radioprozrachny removable, on the left side of the nose compartment sliding bar system installed air refueling, and sight Optical-location station moved to the right from the axis of the machine, whereas it was necessary to increase the length of the tail and the tail boom lines change, and the drogue parachute container to make the rising and move forward, the rear wall of the fuel tank.

Preliminary design of the Su-27M was completed in 1985, June 28, 1988 the first flight of the prototype Su-27M (onboard №701; Plane T-10M-1 - made based on the airframe of the Su-27 / №16-40 Release 1986 .; the first flight was piloted by car chief test pilot Sukhoi Oleg G. Choi), January 18, 1989 for flight tests is now the second test machine, T-10M-2, also converted from the Su-27, and four years later, 1 April 1992, despite the collapse of the country and the difficulties with the financing of development for defense purposes, in the first flight went first Su-27M initial batch (T-10M-3 board №703), already assembled at the production plant - Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association named after Yuri Gagarin (KnAAPO; from 1 January 2013, Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant (KnAAZ) Yuri Gagarin, a subsidiary of the Company "Sukhoi").



And in September 1992, the first production modernized fighter received export designation Su-35 has been shown at international exhibitions - at Airshow in Farnborough, UK (plane during a demonstration container was equipped with a laser and thermal imaging surveillance and targeting system TIALD (Thermal Imaging Airborne Laser Designator) British company "Ferranti» (Ferranti International pic), a bankrupt in the next year), and in August 1993 it could already see the visitors Airshow MAKS-93.


In total KnAAPO and experimental production Sukhoi were collected 17 Su-35: two airframe for static tests; five experimental machines based on the Su-27 (№№701, 702, 705-707); Six pre-production (№№708-712) and three serial fighter and one Su-35UB prototype (№801). In this case, the reference for production of fighter aircraft was considered a T-10M-8 (№708), and three production vehicles in 1996, the BBC Russian - they reach the State Flight Test Center. VP Chkalov Russian Defense Ministry Ahtubinsk. However, soon beneaped financial trickle, eats once a huge and powerful Soviet military-industrial complex, made itself felt, and eventually Activity for the program multipurpose fighter Su-27M / Su-35 has fallen significantly, and in the mid-1990s, the program flight tests of the Su-27M / Su-35 was stopped.

Built cars participated in the testing of various samples avionics and weapons (eg, radar with a phased antenna array design NIIP N011M. Tikhomirov, new instrumentation cockpit based on color LCDs, etc.), And was attended by in various demonstrations. One of the initial batch of aircraft, known as the Su-37 was in 1996 for the first time in Russia equipped with engines with thrust vector control. In addition, based on the Su-35 was designed double maneuverable multi-purpose fighter Su-35UB, fly around August 7, 2000 The aircraft was built on the basis of the serial Su-30MKK but with canards and control system, as the Su-27M / Su-35, and later was involved in testing of various equipment. Finally, the summer of 2003, five Su-27M / Su-35 (T10M-3 T10M-12 and three production machines) handed over to the aerobatic team of Russian Air Force "Russian Knights" and relocated them to an airfield near Moscow "Kubinka".

One time, after the revival of the Russian system of military-technical cooperation with foreign countries, it seemed that the aircraft will be excellent export prospects. For example, the Su-35 took part in tenders for the purchase of advanced multi-role fighters for the Air Force of Brazil, the United Arab Emirates and South Korea. However, for a variety of reasons - including by the presence of only a single version of the machine - rainbow dreams developers did not come true.



A new page of history



In the first half of the 2010s the developer became apparent that the successful promotion of the global market for military aircrafts Su-35, as well as the possibility of its acquisition of the Russian Air Force, are possible only if significant improvement, but rather a complete processing of the aircraft. Required a radical modernization, as a result of which the aircraft would have received a new, more advanced glider, as well as the latest propulsion and onboard equipment and weapons.


Around the middle of the 2010s the concept of advanced Su-35, which initially bore the designation Su-35BM ("big upgrade"), was formed, and the developer has started its implementation. The major features of the upgraded fighter were to be:

• improved airframe with reinforced construction (resource rose to 6000 hours or 30 years of service and resource to the first control of repair and overhaul period has been increased to 1500 hours or 10 years of service);

• rejection of canards and the traditional Su-27 upper brake flap, whose functions have moved to differentially deflected handlebars direction having a larger area and a vertical rear edge;

• increased use of two-wheeled chassis and nose landing;

• reduced area of the vertical stabilizer;

• implementation in all three channels electro-remote control - without mechanical wiring;

• new integrated control system KSU-35 with quadruple redundancy design of the Moscow Research and Production Complex (PBMCs) "Avionics", which allows you to effectively implement the manual and automatic control of the aircraft in all channels, to ensure stability of the aircraft, its handling and balance, management divergent nozzle engines and control of the aircraft on the ground, including braking wheel chassis, as well as ensures the implementation of the regime and the limitation supermaneuverability flight modes;

• active use in the construction of aircraft stealth technology ("stealth"), which allows, according to the calculations of developers to reduce the reflectivity of the plane in the X-band radio waves in the sector of angles from - 60 ° to + 60 °;

• an increase in internal fuel capacity by more than 20% - with full tanks of 11,500 kg against 9,400 kg in mass-produced Su-27 s to ensure the possibility of the suspension of two underwing drop tanks with a capacity of 1800 liters (in the latter case, the total fuel capacity increased to 14,300 kg) and installation of in-flight refueling on a "hose - cone" with a sliding bar on the left side of the fuselage and the head of the fuel transfer rate 1100 l / min.




The construction of a prototype of a new multi-purpose fighter Su-35 (Su-35-1; board №901) was completed in the enterprise KnAAPO in August 2007, after which he was taken to the exploded view in military transport aircraft An-124 "Ruslan" in Zhukovsky, where it was assembled and demonstrated at the static Airshow MAKS-2007 (the first public demonstration of the aircraft), and February 19, 2008 he was successfully flight tested by test pilot Sukhoi - deserved test pilot Sergei Bogdan Russia from the airfield near Moscow Flight Research Institute named after MMGromov.


The following year, 2 October 2008, the air had been raised and the second prototype of the Su-35-2 (side №902), intended primarily for testing avionics (prototype Su-35-1 radar originally not intended) and equipped with a serial engine AL-31FP with thrust vector control. Sergei Bogdan plane was lifted from the factory airfield KnAAPO. In turn, the Russian Air Force Command announced preliminary plans to order 48 serial fighters of this type, which were given the designation Su-35S.

During the first year of testing the updated Su-35 experts Company "Sukhoi" completed static testing of the prototype in terms of achievement of limiting regimes in confirming the flight characteristics, and flight prototypes performed a total of 87 flights, during which were confirmed by the characteristics of stability and conducted testing of complex control systems, aircraft systems and navigation equipment. Finally, March 20, 2009 Su-35 crossed milestone 100th flight.

The program of flight tests were to take part three prototypes, but on 26 April 2009, at the airport "Dzemgi" Komsomolsk-on-Amur and when taxiing speed runs because of failure in the engine management system in the derivation of the increased operation and the impossibility in this situation, stop the plane by regular means (braking system chassis and braking parachute) The third flight model, the Su-35-4 (side №904), skidded off the runway, faced with an obstacle and burned. Test pilot JSC "Sukhoi" Yevgeny Frolov managed to eject and was not injured. It is noteworthy that this experimental car has been identified as a reference for the subsequent production of fighters and was equipped with the first two production engines "117C" manufactured by JSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association" (UMPO), as well as a complete set of avionics, including a full-time radar "Irbis-E ".

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Features and avionics

The modern version of the Su-35 is a deeply modernized maneuverable multi-role fighter generation "4 ++", which is actively used fifth-generation technologies that provide, at the request of the developer, superiority fighter of the same class.



One of the main distinguishing features of multi-purpose fighter Su-35 is its power unit - based on the new, more powerful afterburning turbojet engines with a digital control system and thrust vector control "117C" (AL-41F-1C). The motors are designed by experts Scientific and Technical Center. The audit Rybinsk JSC "NPO" Saturn "on the basis of AL-31F / FS and commercially produced in cooperation of JSC" NPO "Saturn" and JSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association". These engines feature new fan large diameter (932 mm to 905 mm in the predecessor), turbines, high and low pressure and a digital control system, and most importantly - the presence of rotary nozzles that provide all-aspect thrust vector control. Developer managed to bring the engine thrust to combat mode to 8800 kg at maximum besforsazhnom mode and up to 14000 kg at full afterburner and traction on a special mode -up to 14,500 kgs, while the overhaul period increased from 500 to 1000 hours, a resource before the first overhaul - to 1500 hours, and the assigned resource - from 1500 to 4000 hours.


In addition, in the rear fuselage fighter on the axis of symmetry for the two available single engine turbine auxiliary power unit (APU) type TA14-130-35 developed SPE "Aerosila" and intended to start the main engines, providing power and cooling avionics and cockpit pilot in ground servicing without the use of the aerodrome facilities. APU has a low fuel consumption - through the use of high-efficiency turbocharger and an integrated oil cooling system - and is equipped with an electronic digital control system with full responsibility. Equivalent power - 105 kW, weight without generator - 62 kg, height and run the regime - up to 10,000 m.



High combat capabilities of the Su-35, and are provided through the use of a fundamentally new avionics complex built on the latest high-tech information and control system for "functional, logical, information and software to link avionics systems into a single integrated system", which provides the interaction between crew and equipment and are included in the two central digital computer, switching and conversion tools and information display system, implemented in respect of instrumentation concept of "glass cockpit": two large-format color multifunctional liquid crystal display type MFI-35 with a diagonal of 15 inches and a resolution of 1400 × 1050 resolution, multi-function remote control with integrated display processor, wide-angle light on the background of the windshield type IKSH-1M with a field of view of 30 × 20 ° and remote control and display.


In this case, the management board equipment and systems, as well as weapons is possible using the buttons and switches on the center handle short-stroke control plane strain and engine control levers, and with keypad frame multifunction indicators (the so-called concept HOTAS).

The Su-35 is equipped with a new radar control system (RCS) phased array (PAR) "Irbis-E," which was developed by specialists of "Scientific Research Institute of Instrument them. VV Tikhomirov, "and has, according to the developer, extremely high performance on target detection range and the possibility of their support. The structure of "Irbis-E" is a multifunctional radar X-band passive phased array diameter 900 mm, placed on two-stage elektrogidroprivode and powerful computing system based on digital computer "Solo 35", as well as equipment interrogator gosopoznavaniya operating modes Mk HA, and block mikronavigatsii.




Serial production of the radar organized at Ryazan State Instrument Plant (GRPZ), who joined the program in 2005 and participated in the development of "Irbis-E" along with the NIIP.VV Tikhomirov.

On the technical task for NIIP "Irbis-E" experts GRPZ designed and manufactured special digital computers (STSVM) "Solo-35.01" and "Solo-35.02", microwave and LF receivers. Head-production sample of the new multi-purpose fighter Su-35 is equipped with a full-function radar. This is the first station, produced and delivered by our factory (formerly prototypes "Irbis-E", including both installed on the Su-35 prototypes are manufactured with our participation NIIP) ... Long-term contract for the product will provide a significant portion of the plant loading for the next few years. Ahead - serial production of products, whose organization has actually done in the past year. "

RCS "Irbis-E" is capable of maintaining continuity with the review space to detect and track up to 30 air targets and to conduct simultaneous firing of up to eight of them, and also has the ability at a distance of 400 km detect, selection and support up to four ground targets and simultaneously perform loses two of them (according to the developer while maintaining review airspace RCS is able to accompany a ground target). Designated lifetime - not less than 6000 hours (30 years of service), and the resource before the first repair and overhaul life - 1500 hours (12 years of service).

RCS opportunities "Irbis-E" can be estimated by the following characteristics: field of view - from -60 ° to + 60 ° in elevation and from -120 ° to + 120 ° in azimuth; detection range of air targets with an effective reflective surface (EOC) Q3. m on a collision course in a narrow field of vision - 350-400 km, whereas in the larger field of view in the forward hemisphere such purposes are guaranteed detected at a distance of 200 km (in the face of the earth - to 170 km) and in the rear hemisphere - at a distance up to 80 km (50 miles); detection range stealth air targets with EOC only 0.01 square meters. m - 90 km; detection range of surface targets such as "aircraft carrier" - 400 km, and the purpose of the "boat" - up to 100-120 km; detection range of ground targets such as "railway bridge" - 150-200 km, and the purpose of the "group of tanks" - up to 60-70 km.



Su-35 and also received a new optical-location station development of "Scientific and Production Corporation" Precision Instrumentation Systems "(until 2007 - Research Institute of Precision Instrument), the designation RL-35 and provides, according to the developer's site, review in the forward hemisphere aircraft airspace, land and water surfaces; search, detection, seizure and avtosporovozhdenie, determination of angular coordinates and range up to the air, ground and sea targets in the middle infrared (3-5 microns) and visible wavelengths; detection, capture, tracking and identification of the angular position of the laser spot external highlighter and laser illumination of ground and surface targets. The station includes a heat-finder (target detection range of the "Su-30" in its forward hemisphere - 35 km, and at the back - 90 km), a laser rangefinder-pointer (work on air targets at ranges of 0.2-20 km at ground - up to 30 km, accuracy - 5 m) and a television channel, to detect and automatically accompany various objectives in the region from -90 ° to + 90 ° in azimuth and from -15 ° to + 60 ° in elevation. It is also possible the use of various suspension of impact containers.


The Su-35 has also received advanced navigation (laser strapdown inertial-satellite navigation system, digital moving map of the area and the radio navigation system) and connected (set of tools of the C-108 of the Nizhniy Novgorod NPP "Flight") equipment, highly efficient electronic warfare (Jammer individually are mutually and group protection, guidance equipment anti-radar missiles (PRR) Warning System radar / laser irradiation and missile attack, as well as automatic shooting of IR-traps and chaff), equipment to ensure the application of group combat aircraft systems and so on.

For the Russian Air Force

In August 2009, the Su-35 first took part in the summer program Airshow MAKS, under which 18 August, the Russian Defense Ministry has signed with the Company "Sukhoi" contract for the delivery period from 2010 to 2015 inclusive, 48 serial fighters Su-35S. Document was signed by Chief of Armaments of the Armed Forces, Deputy Defense Minister Vladimir Popovkin and CEO of "Sukhoi" Mikhail Pogosyan, who noted that the conclusion of long-term agreements for the production of new aircraft - and at the same time, contracts were signed for another 12 Su-27SM and Su-30M2 four - will provide a full load production plants in the holding of the aircraft production for military purposes and to shift the focus from programs to modernize standing in the Russian Air Force combat aircraft to the production of new products.

Deliveries of Su-35S

As part of the aerospace show MAKS-2009 in August 2009, the Russian Defense Ministry has signed so far the only contract for the supply of multi-serial Su-35S, which provides for the supply of the troops during 2010-15. A total of 48 Su-35S. Executor of the contract was determined by the Company "Sukhoi" and Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association, now has the status of its branch.

The first two Su-35s, built under a contract with the Russian military department from 2009, were delivered to the customer in May and December 2011 (№№ 01 and 02).

During 2012, the Company "Sukhoi" transferred to the Ministry of Defense of Russia, eight Su-35s under contract from 2009. The first two cars were handed over in early 2012 (№№ 03 and 04), and the acceptance certificate for the remaining six aircraft was signed on December 28, 2012 This aircraft №№01-04 entered the State Flight Test Center of the Ministry of Defense of Russia Ahtubinsk which joined the program state flight tests. The remaining six cars, №№ 06-09,11 and 12, three were taken to Ahtubinsk respectively in late January and early February 2013

During 2012, as the head of the United Aircraft Corporation Mikhail Pogosyan, planned to build another 12 Su-35S.

October 9, 2009 OPK "Oboronprom" has officially announced the conclusion of a contract for the supply of up to 2015 to its member JSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association" party of 96 engines AL-41F-1C ("117C"), which the recipient - the aircraft factory in Komsomolske- on-Amur, serially produced Su-35s, and in the second half of November of the same year, the Company "Sukhoi" to start working on the implementation of the above mentioned government contract, which was determined by the Executive KnAAPO. Assembling the first production Su-35S has been planned for 2010

In July 2010, the Company "Sukhoi" announced that in connection with the completion of the program of preliminary tests of the Su-35 and preparations for the joint state tests, to fly on the new fighter pilots began to attract Russian Air Force (the first in the air on it rose commander of one of the military units honored military pilot of the Russian Federation Alexander Kruzhavin). In mid-October 2010, it was announced that KnAAPO completed a total docking units of the first batch of Su-35s, and flight tests of the sign for the entire program machines were launched in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, May 3, 2011. The first flight Head serial fighter again raised the distinguished test pilot Sergei Bogdan, in the course of one and a half hours have been worked out various modes of operation of an integrated management system and propulsion system of the aircraft, checked the stability and controllability, with remarks on the work of engines, systems and equipment have been identified.

As of October 2011, the Su-35 as part of the flight test program was completed more than 300 flights, and in August 2011 the State Flight Test Center. VP Chkalov Russian Defense Ministry were initiated state joint tests, which involved experimental Su-Su-35-1 and 35-2, and the first production aircraft Su-35S-1 (side №01). The first two machines in the month of October were carried out pre-flight tests, during which were fully confirmed the basic set performance characteristics of complex avionics and super maneuverability characteristics, tested stability and controllability characteristics, the characteristics of the power plant, the work of the navigation system. According to the Company "Sukhoi", reach a top speed near the ground was 1400 km / h at an altitude - 2,400 km / h, and the ceiling was 18,000 m. In this case, detection range radar in the "air - air" exceeded 400 km, and on-board optical-location station allows you to detect and track multiple targets at ranges of over 80 km.



December 2, 2011 from the airfield KnAAPO rose for the first flight of the second serial fighter, the Su-35S-2 (side №02), built under contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense of August 2009. The first flight of the Su-35S-2, which lasted about one and a half hours, performed the Hero of Russia Sergei Bogdan, and January 17, 2012 from the factory airfield running a test pilot of "Sukhoi" Taras Artsebarsky rose in the air for the third serial fighter, the Su-35S-3 (side №03). And at that moment on the test program was carried out more than 400 flights, and in the early years of the program state joint tests was connected a second serial sample (Su-35S-2).


March 22, 2012 the Company "Sukhoi" transferred to the state joint tests fourth serial Su-35S (Su-35S-5; board №04), fly around February 19 test pilot Taras Artsebarsky, on 4 April, the company announced that the aircraft successfully overcome the barrier of 500 flights. Jubilee flight was made a Hero of Russia Sergei Bogdan. And in the summer of Su-35s began testing for combat use. The resulting technical and precision characteristics of surveillance and sighting systems and modes of combat use, according to the developer, broadly in line with the stated in the specifications.

In early December, 2012. The company "Dry" released information about the beginning of the test the following two Su-35s, before the end of the year we delivered six Su-35S - strictly in accordance with the production plan for 2012, and, finally, completely Recently, the Russian multifunctional fighter Su-35s became a star of the 50th Paris Air Show, taking part in the demonstration flight program. Piloted aircraft distinguished test pilot of the Russian Federation Hero of Russia Sergei Bogdan. In conclusion, it remains to add that to the end of 2013 the industry must collect and transmit the customer 12-14 Su-35s, about the same number of aircraft to be collected in Komsomolsk-on-Amur and in the next two years, provided the contract, and after the completion of the last expected to sign a new contract for the production Su-35S.

 

[IND151]

Well the Russians are desperate to sell fighters at all, since neither the Mig 29 /35 is selling anymore, nor were they able to find a single export customer for their Su 35 so far. But the simple fact is, that the upgraded MKI will again be very close to the Su 35 itself, with upgraded BARS, new avionics and EW, as well as the RCS reduction features. That simply makes the Su 35 pointless for India. So if at all, they give us a good deal for Pak Fa's as a short term deal, but even that is not a counter to MMRCA.
Dassault can only kill the Rafale deal on their own and that's what they did for the last few years, but hopefully things improved to an extend where we finally get fix the deal. It's high time for MMRCAs!

Exactly

 

[SpArK]

Well the Russians are desperate to sell fighters at all, since neither the Mig 29 /35 is selling anymore, nor were they able to find a single export customer for their Su 35 so far. But the simple fact is, that the upgraded MKI will again be very close to the Su 35 itself, with upgraded BARS, new avionics and EW, as well as the RCS reduction features. That simply makes the Su 35 pointless for India. So if at all, they give us a good deal for Pak Fa's as a short term deal, but even that is not a counter to MMRCA.
Dassault can only kill the Rafale deal on their own and that's what they did for the last few years, but hopefully things improved to an extend where we finally get fix the deal. It's high time for MMRCAs!

Its on par, but still not the same..

Does it matter if its 30 or 35, commonalities must be 90%+ , so no harm in having a separate deal for 35s and continuing MKIs , if rafale deal falls off.

Right now the focus is to plug the gap with the best at the right price.

 

[IND151]

Maneuverable multi-purpose fighter Su-35, equipped with the latest engines with thrust vectoring and turning a fundamentally new avionics based on digital information management system incorporates some of the latest advances in science and technology, so that in the Russian Air Force, he will be an excellent complement perspective fifth-generation fighter. According to the developer, in the near-term, Su-35, the ability to apply a wide range of modern aircraft weapons, will have an overwhelming superiority over other multi-purpose fighter fourth generation in service with other countries.


Lingering birth

In the mid-1970s in the Soviet Union launched the first to elaborate on the possibility of establishing a term of 20-25 years, combat aircraft of the new generation, which was closer to the end of the century change in combatant units of domestic Air Force (IAF) warplanes previous generations. At the same time, as noted in the Russian sources, the then Chief Designer of Sukhoi Eugene A. Ivanov (1911-1983 gg.), Who held the post in 1977-82 years., Proposed the idea of further improvement in the framework of the program of the Su-27, considering its potential high enough to create a "fighter '90s."



As a result, soon after the start of serial deliveries of the first Su-27 combat units specialists OKB PO Sukhoi began work on further improvement of the aircraft and as a result for the Soviet Air Force was developed modernized version of the single, designated Su-27M. The main directions of modernization were identified improving aircraft performance and maneuvering characteristics of the aircraft, as well as increasing its combat potential, including the provision of much higher combat capabilities for combating air targets and the empowerment of combat aircraft to destroy ground targets of different types.


Thus, the Su-27M in the ranks of the Air Force, and possibly Aviation Navy, had eventually become a multi-purpose replacement for the Su-27 first generation is in fact a "clean" air defense fighter (air supremacy ) and not too adapted to strike ground and, especially, sea targets: Su-27 could be used against ground targets only bombs and unguided rocket, which was totally inadequate in today's soldiers, and most importantly - the fighter weapon control system had no specialized tools for effective detection and identification of ground targets.

December 29, 1983, the Commission on military-industrial issues at the Council of Ministers decides on the development of a modernized, but by and large a completely new multi-purpose fighter Su-27M (factory code - T-10M), according to which the management of Machine-Building Plant PO name Dry entrusted with the development of its conceptual design. Design work on the subject carried out by experts team of fighters projects bureau, which at that time led by Mikhail Pogosyan (b. 1956), and the overall management of the program carried out by General Designer of OKB Mikhail Simonov (1929-2011 gg.). Later, the chief designer and head of the threads Su-27M series became LI Knyshov, Nikolai Fedorovich Nikitin (b. 1950), and from 1996 - Vladimir Sergeyevich Konoha.




Distinctive features of the new fighter were to become not only the latest avionics systems and weapons, but also improvements such as canards (PGO), which allows to increase the maneuverability of the aircraft; system in-flight refueling and allowing the suspension underwing fuel tanks with a capacity of 2,000 liters; latest digital electro-remote control system (FBWCS), as well as instrumentation cockpit formed on a "glass cockpit", and upgraded power plant based on advanced AL-31F engines with increased to 12,500 to 13,000 kgf thrust.


An important feature of the new fighter, which provides a significant increase in its combat potential, was supposed to be a powerful new airborne radar (radar) type H011 (chief designer Osmanovic Bekirbaev Tamerlane), is equipped with a slot antenna array and has an increased range target detection and tracking, that in the presence corresponding weapons grade "air to air" allows you to dogfight even at long range (according to Russian sources, during one of the tests of the goal of the "heavy fighter," that is an analogue of the Su-27, were found at a distance of over 300 km!) .

In addition, the new radar, the development of which was carried out by specialists located in Zhukovsky near Moscow Research Institute of Instrumentation them. VV Tikhomirov (today JSC "NIIP"), taking into account developments obtained by the program to create radar "Sword" slot-array antenna and electronic scanning of the beam in the vertical plane should have an increased noise immunity and additional modes "air - surface". For an overview of the rear hemisphere on a plane, it was decided also to use radar rearview N012, the development of which was carried Ryazan Research Institute "Sunrise" (now - as part of "Fazotron-NIIR").

The plane was to be equipped with new and opto-electronic sighting and navigation system, which included flight control and navigation system PNA-10M, fiber-location station OLS-27K, helmet-mounted target designation system and display the "gap-3UM" weapon control system, measuring angle velocities and linear accelerations, the digital computer system and so forth.




It is worth to mention the weapons upgraded fighter planes latest models of guided missile weapons - especially promising SD-class "air - air" medium-range missiles equipped with active radar homing and inertial control system (today known as R-77 or RVV-AE), and as the intention of the developer and the customer install an upgraded aircraft navigation equipment, the latest avionics defense system (consisting of - new electronic intelligence station, teplopelengator to detect missile launches, automatic shooting passive interference APP-50, the station's active electronic jamming "Sorption" (two container on the wingtips) and control subsystem based on a powerful digital computer) and advanced instrumentation cabin of the new generation (three high-contrast monochrome wide format multifunction display on a cathode-ray tubes with push-button frame, improved light on the background of the windshield and so on.).


In connection with the installation of a new aircraft avionics developers had to make changes to the design of the machine. In particular, significant changes were made to the nose of the fuselage and the tail boom center, where they were placed antenna device of new airborne radar view front and rear hemispheres: the nose cone was carried radioprozrachny removable, on the left side of the nose compartment sliding bar system installed air refueling, and sight Optical-location station moved to the right from the axis of the machine, whereas it was necessary to increase the length of the tail and the tail boom lines change, and the drogue parachute container to make the rising and move forward, the rear wall of the fuel tank.

Preliminary design of the Su-27M was completed in 1985, June 28, 1988 the first flight of the prototype Su-27M (onboard №701; Plane T-10M-1 - made based on the airframe of the Su-27 / №16-40 Release 1986 .; the first flight was piloted by car chief test pilot Sukhoi Oleg G. Choi), January 18, 1989 for flight tests is now the second test machine, T-10M-2, also converted from the Su-27, and four years later, 1 April 1992, despite the collapse of the country and the difficulties with the financing of development for defense purposes, in the first flight went first Su-27M initial batch (T-10M-3 board №703), already assembled at the production plant - Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association named after Yuri Gagarin (KnAAPO; from 1 January 2013, Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant (KnAAZ) Yuri Gagarin, a subsidiary of the Company "Sukhoi").



And in September 1992, the first production modernized fighter received export designation Su-35 has been shown at international exhibitions - at Airshow in Farnborough, UK (plane during a demonstration container was equipped with a laser and thermal imaging surveillance and targeting system TIALD (Thermal Imaging Airborne Laser Designator) British company "Ferranti» (Ferranti International pic), a bankrupt in the next year), and in August 1993 it could already see the visitors Airshow MAKS-93.


In total KnAAPO and experimental production Sukhoi were collected 17 Su-35: two airframe for static tests; five experimental machines based on the Su-27 (№№701, 702, 705-707); Six pre-production (№№708-712) and three serial fighter and one Su-35UB prototype (№801). In this case, the reference for production of fighter aircraft was considered a T-10M-8 (№708), and three production vehicles in 1996, the BBC Russian - they reach the State Flight Test Center. VP Chkalov Russian Defense Ministry Ahtubinsk. However, soon beneaped financial trickle, eats once a huge and powerful Soviet military-industrial complex, made itself felt, and eventually Activity for the program multipurpose fighter Su-27M / Su-35 has fallen significantly, and in the mid-1990s, the program flight tests of the Su-27M / Su-35 was stopped.

Built cars participated in the testing of various samples avionics and weapons (eg, radar with a phased antenna array design NIIP N011M. Tikhomirov, new instrumentation cockpit based on color LCDs, etc.), And was attended by in various demonstrations. One of the initial batch of aircraft, known as the Su-37 was in 1996 for the first time in Russia equipped with engines with thrust vector control. In addition, based on the Su-35 was designed double maneuverable multi-purpose fighter Su-35UB, fly around August 7, 2000 The aircraft was built on the basis of the serial Su-30MKK but with canards and control system, as the Su-27M / Su-35, and later was involved in testing of various equipment. Finally, the summer of 2003, five Su-27M / Su-35 (T10M-3 T10M-12 and three production machines) handed over to the aerobatic team of Russian Air Force "Russian Knights" and relocated them to an airfield near Moscow "Kubinka".

One time, after the revival of the Russian system of military-technical cooperation with foreign countries, it seemed that the aircraft will be excellent export prospects. For example, the Su-35 took part in tenders for the purchase of advanced multi-role fighters for the Air Force of Brazil, the United Arab Emirates and South Korea. However, for a variety of reasons - including by the presence of only a single version of the machine - rainbow dreams developers did not come true.



A new page of history



In the first half of the 2010s the developer became apparent that the successful promotion of the global market for military aircrafts Su-35, as well as the possibility of its acquisition of the Russian Air Force, are possible only if significant improvement, but rather a complete processing of the aircraft. Required a radical modernization, as a result of which the aircraft would have received a new, more advanced glider, as well as the latest propulsion and onboard equipment and weapons.


Around the middle of the 2010s the concept of advanced Su-35, which initially bore the designation Su-35BM ("big upgrade"), was formed, and the developer has started its implementation. The major features of the upgraded fighter were to be:

• improved airframe with reinforced construction (resource rose to 6000 hours or 30 years of service and resource to the first control of repair and overhaul period has been increased to 1500 hours or 10 years of service);

• rejection of canards and the traditional Su-27 upper brake flap, whose functions have moved to differentially deflected handlebars direction having a larger area and a vertical rear edge;

• increased use of two-wheeled chassis and nose landing;

• reduced area of the vertical stabilizer;

• implementation in all three channels electro-remote control - without mechanical wiring;

• new integrated control system KSU-35 with quadruple redundancy design of the Moscow Research and Production Complex (PBMCs) "Avionics", which allows you to effectively implement the manual and automatic control of the aircraft in all channels, to ensure stability of the aircraft, its handling and balance, management divergent nozzle engines and control of the aircraft on the ground, including braking wheel chassis, as well as ensures the implementation of the regime and the limitation supermaneuverability flight modes;

• active use in the construction of aircraft stealth technology ("stealth"), which allows, according to the calculations of developers to reduce the reflectivity of the plane in the X-band radio waves in the sector of angles from - 60 ° to + 60 °;

• an increase in internal fuel capacity by more than 20% - with full tanks of 11,500 kg against 9,400 kg in mass-produced Su-27 s to ensure the possibility of the suspension of two underwing drop tanks with a capacity of 1800 liters (in the latter case, the total fuel capacity increased to 14,300 kg) and installation of in-flight refueling on a "hose - cone" with a sliding bar on the left side of the fuselage and the head of the fuel transfer rate 1100 l / min.




The construction of a prototype of a new multi-purpose fighter Su-35 (Su-35-1; board №901) was completed in the enterprise KnAAPO in August 2007, after which he was taken to the exploded view in military transport aircraft An-124 "Ruslan" in Zhukovsky, where it was assembled and demonstrated at the static Airshow MAKS-2007 (the first public demonstration of the aircraft), and February 19, 2008 he was successfully flight tested by test pilot Sukhoi - deserved test pilot Sergei Bogdan Russia from the airfield near Moscow Flight Research Institute named after MMGromov.


The following year, 2 October 2008, the air had been raised and the second prototype of the Su-35-2 (side №902), intended primarily for testing avionics (prototype Su-35-1 radar originally not intended) and equipped with a serial engine AL-31FP with thrust vector control. Sergei Bogdan plane was lifted from the factory airfield KnAAPO. In turn, the Russian Air Force Command announced preliminary plans to order 48 serial fighters of this type, which were given the designation Su-35S.

During the first year of testing the updated Su-35 experts Company "Sukhoi" completed static testing of the prototype in terms of achievement of limiting regimes in confirming the flight characteristics, and flight prototypes performed a total of 87 flights, during which were confirmed by the characteristics of stability and conducted testing of complex control systems, aircraft systems and navigation equipment. Finally, March 20, 2009 Su-35 crossed milestone 100th flight.

The program of flight tests were to take part three prototypes, but on 26 April 2009, at the airport "Dzemgi" Komsomolsk-on-Amur and when taxiing speed runs because of failure in the engine management system in the derivation of the increased operation and the impossibility in this situation, stop the plane by regular means (braking system chassis and braking parachute) The third flight model, the Su-35-4 (side №904), skidded off the runway, faced with an obstacle and burned. Test pilot JSC "Sukhoi" Yevgeny Frolov managed to eject and was not injured. It is noteworthy that this experimental car has been identified as a reference for the subsequent production of fighters and was equipped with the first two production engines "117C" manufactured by JSC "Ufa Engine Industrial Association" (UMPO), as well as a complete set of avionics, including a full-time radar "Irbis-E ".

 

[SrNair]

I think these stealthy Su 35s means the teduction of original Su 35 RCS in to that of Dassault Rafale and also similar upgradation in Avionics.If we can achieve that then it would give one hell of the capability to us.
Anyway a lot of Aero Projects are going on sounds good @sancho @MilSpec

 

[sancho]

Its on par, but still not the same..

Does it matter if its 30 or 35, commonalities must be 90%+ , so no harm in having a separate deal for 35s and continuing MKIs , if rafale deal falls off.

Well it can't be the same, since the 30 MKI and the 35 are designed with a slightly different purpose in mind. The twin seat config + the canards will make the MKI dragier and increase radar reflections, while it adds value in A2G roles, which suits IAFs requirements more. So we can bring the MKI only technically as close as possible to the 35, while the design difference remains, that however is not that much different to justify an order of 35s for IAF, especially not when we could go for single seat Pak Fa now too. So if there would be a demand to add single seat heavy class fighters with lower RCS in IAF, it surely won't be 35s. But as I said, that would be a side deal and not in any way an alternative to MMRCA, since we can't add more heavy class fighters than we already plan (270 MKI's + FGFA's), besides that it wouldn't add any industrial advantages, which is the core of the MMRCA competition!

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Livefist @livefist · 3m3 minutes ago
Facepalm. Russians tell @Defense_News the Su-35 'S'-version (whatever that is) is a planned 5th gen platform. http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2015/03/08/russia-india-fighter-jet/24121253/…


Livefist @livefist · 9m9 minutes ago
One thing's for sure. Nobody's smelling as much blood in the M-MRCA as the Russians!


Livefist @livefist · 11m11 minutes ago
Weird @Defense_News report talks of Indian interest in '5th gen' Su-35S. Think they mean the T-50/FGFA. http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2015/03/08/russia-india-fighter-jet/24121253/…

 

[migflug]

Russia and India have signed an agreement to jointly develop a fifth-generation upgrade of the Su-35 Super Flanker multirole fighter, according to a report published March 8 on Virginia-based military affairs website Defense News.

The fighter will be a fifth-generation fighter like the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II, as opposed to the fourth-generation version of the Su-35 over which Russia and China are currently negotiating a deal.

The Su-35 Super Flanker will be unable to compete with other “genuine” fifth-generation fighters and China does not need to get caught up in a game of one-upmanship with India and Russia, said an expert cited by China’s nationalistic tabloid Global Times.

Fifth-Generation Su-35S

Defense News cited a Russian military insider as stating that Moscow and New Delhi have signed an agreement to design what Russia is calling the fifth-generation version of the Su-35 in India, which will see an Indian variant of the fighter created called the Su-35S. Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Russian state-run tech export corporation Rostec, was cited by the website as saying, “We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35…Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation.”

The shift from the fourth-generation Su-35, currently in service with the Russian Air Force, to the fifth-generation Su-35S will necessitate a large upgrade. The report in Defense News questioned the ability of the Su-35S to bear comparison with the F-35. An Indian Air Force official said Russia has pitched the Su-35S several times over the last six months, stating that it can replace the Indian Air Force’s MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters, set to be retired from service in seven to eight years.

Russia and India have already worked together on the development of a fifth-generation stealth fighter, the PAK FA T-50. The Defense News report suggested that the reason Russia has suddenly announced the development program for the stealth fighter is because they are trying to undercut France following the refusal of Paris to provide Russia with two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships. In 2012, New Delhi decided to buy 126 Dassault Rafale multirole fighters from the French company but they have been unable to reach a final agreement due to the technology transfer involved and the price. A Russian industry source cited in the report said the Su-35S will cost only US$85 million, very competitive when compared with the Rafale, and poses a threat to the deal between France and India. A report in the New Delhi-based Economic Times previously stated that India’s air force command considers the Russian fighter and the Rafale to be complementary and that the former does not replace the need for the latter.

China and the Fourth-Generation Su-35

There had previously been a lot of buzz in the media about China becoming the first country to take delivery of an Su-35. According to the previous report on the website, China is set to sign a deal on May 19 to buy 24 Su-35 fighters from Russia. A Russian official has stated that the deal involves the fourth-generation Su-35, not the fifth-generation Su-35S. The official added, however, that China will be the first country in the world to buy the plane.

The Defense News report did not specify the details of the differences between the Su-35 and the Su-35S. However, a Chinese military expert cited by the Global Times stated that the fifth-generation fighter will likely be based on the Su-30MKI that Russia and India developed together and will be equipped with advanced fifth-generation fighter avionics purchased by India, including active electronically scanned array radar, an infrared sensor for longer range targets and a custom tactical data link suited to the needs of the Indian Air Force, along with anti-electrical interference equipment. The source also stated that the fighter likely has limited stealth capabilities, including metal plating on the hood of the cabin and stealth materials coating the air inlets. Stealth capabilities hinge mostly on the exterior design of a fighter, however, he said. The area of the fifth generation F-22 that reflects radar is just 1 square meter and Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi has stated that the area of Su-30 series fighters that reflects radar is around 20 sq m.

As the Su-35S will not involve a total rehaul of the outer structure of the series, it is not possible for the Su-35S to match the stealth capabilities of the F-22. The move to brand the Su-35S a “fifth-generation” fighter, therefore, seems a little more driven by propaganda than reality, according to Global Times. Given that the Su-30MKI went into production in 2002, six years after India and Russia signed the joint development agreement on the aircraft, the Su-35S will likely take a sustained period of time to develop and undergo tests before it can be commissioned or sold.

Can the Fourth- to Fifth-Generation Gap be Bridged?

A Chinese military expert stated that fourth-generation fighters can be upgraded to give them capabilities approaching those of fifth-generation fighters. This is most evident in the area of avionics, if enough investment is made, as with sufficient funds the avionics of the Su-35S could surpass those of the T-50. Through the purchase of fifth-generation directional efflux nozzles with a large thrust to weight ratio, the Su-35S could reach a level of subsonic maneuverability equal to that of the T-50.

In terms of the exterior there is still quite a large gap between fourth- and fifth-generation fighters, however. Especially in terms of supercruise and stealth capability, aspects in which the Su-35S cannot compete with the F-22 or the T-50. The Chinese expert stated that China and India should not bicker over which Su-35 is more advanced, as the Su-35 is simply a complementary aircraft which will play a transient role in China’s air fleet. As the development of the Su-35S will also take time, China’s domestically developed fifth-generation J-20 stealth fighter will likely already be ready to be commissioned by the time the Su-35S is ready for Service

 

[DragonEmpire]

After so much boasting about Rafale and Pakfa, it turns out India only has enough money to buy Flanker and call it fifth generation

 

[Ind4Ever]

Maybe if we didn't have so many MKIs already with us, going for Su-35 would have made sense. But now with
the MKI upgrade program already outlined (with many of PAK-FA's technologies being brought in), going for
Su-35 doesn't make sense.

You need to see that once we complete the Super-MKI upgrade, it will be better than the normal Su-35 we see today.

Dude Super Sukoi will have Su35S upgrade with additional wishlist from india like AESA radar etc .

And this deal is for a brand new 5th generation fighter from SU35S . With spreading technology from Pak FA and do u think it's foolish ? How come ? This is to replace MiG 27 , jags and mirage 2k . Since we have good experience in using many kinds of aircraft like mig 21 mig 29 mig 27 su 30 MKI jag mirage 2k ... so now we will have more potent multi role fighters for wide range of missions . Why you can't do with

LCA MK2, AMCA ,Pak FA , Super Sukoi , Su35S 5TH-GENERATION version ... If possible MMRCA Rafale .

Main purpose is that we won't have to end up with using same fighters in large numbers .

Very good move indeed. This will create a gab so now both the neighbours will have to do more spending to even close the gab. Fat J -20 and J 31 will have hard time with future IAF wish list . Hope no time is wasted .just go ahead and induct . To talk about all egg in to one baskets and we want this and that . We are frankly not there to be thinking like this . First we need to ramp up the fleet strength . And prepare for two front war . Get what ever the best we can .

Russia and India have signed an agreement to jointly develop a fifth-generation upgrade of the Su-35 Super Flanker multirole fighter, according to a report published March 8 on Virginia-based military affairs website Defense News.

The fighter will be a fifth-generation fighter like the US Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II, as opposed to the fourth-generation version of the Su-35 over which Russia and China are currently negotiating a deal.

The Su-35 Super Flanker will be unable to compete with other “genuine” fifth-generation fighters and China does not need to get caught up in a game of one-upmanship with India and Russia, said an expert cited by China’s nationalistic tabloid Global Times.

Fifth-Generation Su-35S

Defense News cited a Russian military insider as stating that Moscow and New Delhi have signed an agreement to design what Russia is calling the fifth-generation version of the Su-35 in India, which will see an Indian variant of the fighter created called the Su-35S. Sergey Chemezov, CEO of Russian state-run tech export corporation Rostec, was cited by the website as saying, “We have been negotiating and have signed the intention protocol for the Su-35…Now we are working on designing ideas for this contract and on creating a manufacturing platform for the aircraft of the fifth generation.”

The shift from the fourth-generation Su-35, currently in service with the Russian Air Force, to the fifth-generation Su-35S will necessitate a large upgrade. The report in Defense News questioned the ability of the Su-35S to bear comparison with the F-35. An Indian Air Force official said Russia has pitched the Su-35S several times over the last six months, stating that it can replace the Indian Air Force’s MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters, set to be retired from service in seven to eight years.

Russia and India have already worked together on the development of a fifth-generation stealth fighter, the PAK FA T-50. The Defense News report suggested that the reason Russia has suddenly announced the development program for the stealth fighter is because they are trying to undercut France following the refusal of Paris to provide Russia with two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships. In 2012, New Delhi decided to buy 126 Dassault Rafale multirole fighters from the French company but they have been unable to reach a final agreement due to the technology transfer involved and the price. A Russian industry source cited in the report said the Su-35S will cost only US$85 million, very competitive when compared with the Rafale, and poses a threat to the deal between France and India. A report in the New Delhi-based Economic Times previously stated that India’s air force command considers the Russian fighter and the Rafale to be complementary and that the former does not replace the need for the latter.

China and the Fourth-Generation Su-35

There had previously been a lot of buzz in the media about China becoming the first country to take delivery of an Su-35. According to the previous report on the website, China is set to sign a deal on May 19 to buy 24 Su-35 fighters from Russia. A Russian official has stated that the deal involves the fourth-generation Su-35, not the fifth-generation Su-35S. The official added, however, that China will be the first country in the world to buy the plane.

The Defense News report did not specify the details of the differences between the Su-35 and the Su-35S. However, a Chinese military expert cited by the Global Times stated that the fifth-generation fighter will likely be based on the Su-30MKI that Russia and India developed together and will be equipped with advanced fifth-generation fighter avionics purchased by India, including active electronically scanned array radar, an infrared sensor for longer range targets and a custom tactical data link suited to the needs of the Indian Air Force, along with anti-electrical interference equipment. The source also stated that the fighter likely has limited stealth capabilities, including metal plating on the hood of the cabin and stealth materials coating the air inlets. Stealth capabilities hinge mostly on the exterior design of a fighter, however, he said. The area of the fifth generation F-22 that reflects radar is just 1 square meter and Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi has stated that the area of Su-30 series fighters that reflects radar is around 20 sq m.

As the Su-35S will not involve a total rehaul of the outer structure of the series, it is not possible for the Su-35S to match the stealth capabilities of the F-22. The move to brand the Su-35S a “fifth-generation” fighter, therefore, seems a little more driven by propaganda than reality, according to Global Times. Given that the Su-30MKI went into production in 2002, six years after India and Russia signed the joint development agreement on the aircraft, the Su-35S will likely take a sustained period of time to develop and undergo tests before it can be commissioned or sold.

Can the Fourth- to Fifth-Generation Gap be Bridged?

A Chinese military expert stated that fourth-generation fighters can be upgraded to give them capabilities approaching those of fifth-generation fighters. This is most evident in the area of avionics, if enough investment is made, as with sufficient funds the avionics of the Su-35S could surpass those of the T-50. Through the purchase of fifth-generation directional efflux nozzles with a large thrust to weight ratio, the Su-35S could reach a level of subsonic maneuverability equal to that of the T-50.

In terms of the exterior there is still quite a large gap between fourth- and fifth-generation fighters, however. Especially in terms of supercruise and stealth capability, aspects in which the Su-35S cannot compete with the F-22 or the T-50. The Chinese expert stated that China and India should not bicker over which Su-35 is more advanced, as the Su-35 is simply a complementary aircraft which will play a transient role in China’s air fleet. As the development of the Su-35S will also take time, China’s domestically developed fifth-generation J-20 stealth fighter will likely already be ready to be commissioned by the time the Su-35S is ready for Service

An interesting facts . How IAF vs PLAAF compete on paper :


All old jets of Chinese vs Old jets like Mirages , Jags and first generation Tejas MK1

Chinese J 10 B vs Indian LCA MK2

SU30 VS SU30 MKI

Chinese flankers J series vs Su 30 MKI

J 31 vs AMCA

J -20 vs FGFA / PAK FA

Su -35 vs Su 35 S 5th generation

This is the way we planned to countering Chinese capabilities in the near future . Now more attention been given to Navy of gov't need to upgrade our Army with New Army Aviation wing . Which should have more tejas , next gen 25 , and Su 34 it new avionics upgrades.

Now this will transform our airforce

Super-Sukhoi upgrade
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Tikhomirov N036-based AESA radar (possibly with GaN), anywhere between 1500 and 2000 T/R
Tikhomirov N036S-based side-looking AESA radars (not sure), each with 600 T/R
Tikhomirov rear-looking AESA radar, 600-800 T/R
L-band AESA radars in wing leading edges
Next-gen QWIP IRSTs front and rear-looking
Su35/PAKFA-based cockpit MFDs and new HMDS
Uprated AL-31FP with 20% higher thrust, possible supercruise capability
~7500kg payload
New MAWS, other sensors
Ability to carry all latest Russian/Indian weapons

Rafale & it's upgrade path
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RBE-2AA GaN-based AESA radar, ~1000 T/R
Dual-band QWIP IRST, TV, other optical sensors comprising FSO
360* situational awareness with FSO+WSO sensors (DDM-NG)
Other advanced MAWS, DIRCM etc. comprising SPECTRA
Active cancellation tech to achieve 0.00X sq m RCS figures
Supercruise-capable M88-2 engines with many upgrades to come
Smartskin concept with multiple transceiver arrays throughout airframe
~9000kg payload
Ability to carry almost all latest Western/Indian weapons

FGFA
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Tikhomirov N036 GaN-based AESA with around 1500-2000 T/R
Same side, rear-facing radar arrays as MKI. L-band radars might or might not be there
360* situational awareness with 101KS-X series of optical sensors
Next-gen turbofan engines "Type-30" variable-cycle (VCE) design...doesn't need oxygen to start, so much good things
Possibility of plasma (ionised gases)-based stealth system as part of countermeasures package
The definition of a true air superiority fighter

Tell me where a Su-35S could possibly fit in here? And what would it offer that SuperMKI, Rafale or FGFA wouldn't?

This news is bogus...it's just probably something related to Sukhoi upgrade itself.

It's for next generation deep strike fighter bomber and an Cheep and best 5 th gen fighters to have in numbers for the next 30 years . We want to have different types of Aircraft . For different missions . Like we had migs Mirage Sukois, and Jags in future we will have wide range of fighter jets which widens our operational flexibility and all the three projects Super Sukoi SU35S FGFA from russia will have lots of similarities but will be cost effective way to increase the number of new age fighter Squadrons and Our own AMCA and LCA will have huge leap forward in performance envelope after these ToT are carried to AMCA and future Aviation industry of this country. Don't forget hopefully this will the last of imported fighter for IAF. Do the last few orders need to be in good numbers so we will have good time to develop our industry.

So good move .

 

[PARIKRAMA]

i have only one point in my mind which in turns makes a whole story

India seems to be depending too much on planes (numbers. generation, capability) which are on paper as of now. let me say this below
LCA MK2 (proto will be made)
AMCA (proto will be made)
FGFA (proto will be made - T50 proto under tests and induction into RAF planned)
Su35 S (stealth) 5th Gen (planned by Sukhoi and this article says protocol signed)
Super Sukhoi Program (planned but no clarity)

Well even if i want to sound a bit over cautious, you see we are saying a lot about future mumbo zumbo with little substance in present today.

If i consider a more realistic approach based on present situation, i see the FGFA/PAKFA/T50 a reality and Super Sukhoi program derived from it or similar technology a strong possibility. Yet Super Sukhoi program details are unclear. Even more unclear is the fact that if this program is only 42 for SFC or its for entire 272 which may turn out to be an extra ordinary effort and definitely increase the capability of SU30MKI fleet in total massively..

The other programs LCA MK2, AMCA or to some extent Su35 Stealth version is definitely possible but based on today its all a hot air balloon as its too much on nascent stage. Its true readers may point freezing of tech aspects or search for partners/engines/etc etc for these programs but when i compare to the protos already under test it gives me more comfort and trust which i dont have to nascent programs. The maturity and success for such programs takes time and we also need to have patience. Certainly we will meet obstacles and sometimes failure also which we have to digest and learn from it to succeed. I have added Su35S here bcz talks of moving a 4.5G into 5G needs a good technological leap and will require sufficient maturing of PAKFA tech so that they easily can be moved or downgraded sufficiently to meet the technical aspect of Su35S program.

Thus, we at least most Indians are hoping on paper programs to fulfill and take on programs of rival countries which are more close to maturity. This implies we are already behind schedule and also have a limited time opportunity window.

Moreover, all these programs are cost intensive with LCA and AMCA requiring R&D investment too unless we borrow and downgrade flanker technology via PAKFA program. The cost may not be a problem from most point of views but realistically its not IAF alone but IA and IN also needing massive capex and opex outlays. Thus prioritizing and timely disbursal of funds for each individual program is a challenge by itself.

Lastly, all these programs have one deep issue concern for me.. The LCA for Point Defence, FGFA/ SU35S/ Super Sukhoi Su30MKI mostly for air superiority. If i consider AMCA to be air superiority then we are predicting too much aircraft for air superiority, Again most folks would point out at Brahmos NG and mini version which may be carried 3 in numbers by mighty Sukhois but flankers in general have big RCS and even if a 5G aircraft have reduced RCS, it does nt make detection impossible but rather a bit difficult (*considered radar absorption tech too). Moreover over time brahmos countering tech would mature and will then make it meaningless especially in next 15 years. So what is the plan to stay ahead of the curve? again not even in nascent stage. (the hypersonic brahmos is planned in 2025+ window.. a gud 10 years from now for tech demonstrator or first test perhaps and brahmos range is always an issue - MTCR issues)

You see what i want to point out is why not make AMCA a suitable platform for omnirole meaning like Rafale. Reason being we cant forever think abt jags/mirages to help us and they wud retire by 2030. So who would take over that role? Am i to believe we get PAKDA the bomber version post 2030 which takes care of this need. Is that a new program meaning time and cost?

Thus one small point becomes a story in my mind. Its all in paper or in nascent stage. That never gives comfort really..

 

[SpArK]

Design work?

What are the structural changes we expect if its ever true?

@sancho @Abingdonboy

 

[Hephaestus]

It's our stop gab fighters so we can have sufficient number of Squadrons to fight two front war . So I don't think Rafale Deal will be cancelled . Or we can replace Rafale 4th gen with this brand new customised 5th gen fighters . What is wrong .

Stop gap! Sorry but had to be corrected.