India & Russia Sign Intention Protocol For Prelimnary Design Work of Sukhoi Su-35S Super Flanker

[Ronin]

Sounds like the Rafale Deal is dead

 

[MilSpec]

These may be the 40 additional aircraft's for the Strategic Force command. imo Rafale is still on. and additional flankers is good from logistical perspective.

 

[Gessler]

su 35 is more powerful than su 30mki and certainly will be better than super sukhoi after upgrade. I would rather like to go for upgraded su 35 than rafale without full tot. Also 35 is much better air superiority than rafale

Maybe if we didn't have so many MKIs already with us, going for Su-35 would have made sense. But now with
the MKI upgrade program already outlined (with many of PAK-FA's technologies being brought in), going for
Su-35 doesn't make sense.

You need to see that once we complete the Super-MKI upgrade, it will be better than the normal Su-35 we see today.

 

[Ronin]

How Many Projects.......?
Tejas MK2
Tejas MK3
AMCA
MMRCA
FGFA
and Now this Su35S
..... Very Confusing....................

Yes we are setting up a veritable zoo of fighters

These may be the 40 additional aircraft's for the Strategic Force command. imo Rafale is still on. and additional flankers is good from logistical perspective.

India won't sign a design contract if it's only 40 aircraft

 

[MilSpec]

India won't sign a design contract if it's only 40 aircraft

There are no details what the design contract entails, it might just be a MoU for Mki'sation of the SU35.

 

[Mike_Brando]

Abbe kaha tha re itne dino se??

R e amar PC ta chop e chole gechilo,ei saralam kal

 

[MilSpec]

R e amar PC ta chop e chole gechilo,ei saralam kal

good to have you back...

 

[Sri]

My Understanding to this news is India wants to study 35S and devise plan to implement the same or better in Super MKI. And as usual our journos jumbled and made a new news out of this.

Just a guess...

 

[migflug]

Maybe if we didn't have so many MKIs already with us, going for Su-35 would have made sense. But now with
the MKI upgrade program already outlined (with many of PAK-FA's technologies being brought in), going for
Su-35 doesn't make sense.

You need to see that once we complete the Super-MKI upgrade, it will be better than the normal Su-35 we see today.

Even if we sign rafael deal our last plane will certainly around 2027 28 when there will be 5th gen planes all around. Also its too costly and we dont have confirmation of full tot. While upgraded su35 or i say su35mki with 5th gen avionics will certainly better than both super su 30 or rafale. having su 35 we can mass produce it quickly due to experience and with russia willing to give oem status to hal maintainece wont be a problem. The only backdrop of this deal is we wont have mmrca and rafale is good at air to ground. But with massive payload of 35 it can be upgraded to a to g role as well

 

[Mike_Brando]

There are no details what the design contract entails, it might just be a MoU for Mki'sation of the SU35.

I think this deal is related to the upgradation of our existing Su-30 MKIs.I have read somewhere that the plan to acquire those 40 aircraft by the S.F.C. had been shelved in favour of the Rafale deal although i am not able to find the source at present

 

[Gessler]

Even if we sign rafael deal our last plane will certainly around 2027 28 when there will be 5th gen planes all around. Also its too costly and we dont have confirmation of full tot. While upgraded su35 or i say su35mki with 5th gen avionics will certainly better than both super su 30 or rafale. having su 35 we can mass produce it quickly due to experience and with russia willing to give oem status to hal maintainece wont be a problem. The only backdrop of this deal is we wont have mmrca and rafale is good at air to ground. But with massive payload of 35 it can be upgraded to a to g role as well

Not this again.

Rafale already has much of all the 5th gen avionics we're gonna get with Super-MKI upgrade : Advanced AESA radar, active/passive tracking capabilities & all-round situational awareness systems, supercruise-capable engines & airframe... And don't forget it's got upgrade programs of it's own - active cancellation, GaN-based whole-aircraft electronics, what not.

Keep in mind we're doing these upgrades not because we just way 1 aircraft type with these capabilities, but because we want to bring our whole frontline squadrons to a certain "5th gen or near-5th gen" level.

IAF has no need for another heavy-class aircraft beyond MKI & FGFA.

I don't know why people keep suggesting that IAF take what it doesn't need, but cancel out on what it actually said it needs.

 

[Omega007]

R e amar PC ta chop e chole gechilo,ei saralam kal

Ja ba*a!!

 

[Ind4Ever]

Looks like a beast though. How the stealth features would be added is a mystery. May composite material will be extensively used.

Close to this will be our Super Sukoi upgrades. Su35S the one that inducted into Russian air force which China can't buy. They were denied that options. Now India will use more Indian made equipments and stuff from Israel etc will make it more successful. But don't expect the same air frame. They have planed for 5 the gen. So I expect it to more less close to F15 SE with internal bay. Lots of improvements will be made to over all capabilities what I think might be a multi role heavy fighter bomber to replace Jags , MiG 27 and mirage 2k . If Rafale Deal collapse then we can go for this secret project. . I guess MiG 21 replaced by Tejas MK2 , Mirages replaced by Rafael or with SU35S++ beyond 2025 . More like F15 SE with internal bay. Sukois will upgraded to super standards later replaced by Advanced Heavy multi role fighter in the future .

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

Introduction

The impressive Su-35S is the latest incarnation of the T-10 family of fighter aircraft. It would be fair to describe this aircraft as the pinnacle of current conventional fighter design, blending a superb basic aerodynamic design with advanced engine, flight control and avionic technology.

The designation Su-35 has been applied to two basic Flanker configurations since 1991. The first aircraft to carry the Su-35 label was the early 1990s digital T-10M/Su-27M Flanker E, powered by the Al-31FM engine and fitted with the Tikhomirov NIIP N011 planar array radar. Export configurations were designated Su-35. This aircraft was used as the basis of the Su-37 Flanker F advanced technology demonstrator, often labelled as the Super Flanker. The Su-37 was used as a platform to prove a modern glass cockpit, the N011M BARS PESA radar, thrust vector control engines and a quadruplex digital flgiht control system with an electrical sidestick controller. Much of the technology proven on the Su-37 migrated into the Su-30MKI/MKM Flanker H exported to Asia.

The current Su-35S, ordered in 2009 for the Russian Air Force, was the result of a series of design studies for a deep modernisation of the Su-27M design. This was actually more of a deep re-engineering of the basic design in the manner of the F-15E against the F-15C performed during the 1980s. The new Su-35BM retained the basic aerodynamic design and much of the structural design of the late model Flanker, but sees important aerodynamic enhancements and completely new engines and digital systems.

Notable changes include the removal of the dorsal speedbrake, additional internal fuel, and plumbing for AAR and external drop tanks. A quadruplex digital flight control system is used. The Item 117S engines, which use key components of the Al-41F supercruising core, are employed. The Su-35S is the first non-US fighter with substantial sustained supersonic cruise capability, which provides this aircraft with an enormous energy advantage against conventional opponents in most regimes of air combat.

The avionic suite is fully digital. The centrepiece is the Tikhomirov NIIP N035 Irbis E (Snow Leopard) 20 kiloWatt class steerable hybrid ESA radar. A new glass cockpit is employed, using large area displays. The Khibiny electronic warfare suite is employed, with new wingtip DRFM technology jamming pods.

The aircraft is intended to carry the full spectrum of Russian air to air and air to ground guided weapons.

Given the large performance margin in the Su-35S design, it has considerable long term growth potential. It is likely that it will become the platform for the first Russian built large aperture AESA radars, as well as the R-172 very long range AAM.

In strategic terms the Su-35S is a game changer, as it robustly outclasses all competing Western fighter aircraft other than the F-22A Raptor. Deployed in significant numbers it is capable of changing the balance of power in any region where this occurs. This reality does not appear to be widely understood in most Western air forces, or DoD bureaucracies. Aircraft IOC will be achieved in 2012.
KnAAPO Su-35 Description [Cited]

Single-seat multi-functional super-maneuverable fighter.
New engines with all-aspect TVC nozzle and thrust of 14,500 kg are installed on the air-craft. The inner fuel capacity is increased and the aircraft can carry two external fuel tanks with 2,000 liters capacity. The aircraft is equipped with the new Integrated digital aircraft con-trol system (ICS) carried out the functions of Fly-by-wire and Automatic Flight Control systems, Signal limiting system and Air Data System, and Landing Gear Wheel Braking Control System. The aircraft boasts of new avionics with the use of multiplex communication links, and phased array radar. Wide-angle colour head-up display and two large-format colour MFDs form the aircraft indication system. Due to the cockpit lightening equipment the pilot can use night vision goggle.
The aircraft is equipped with the auxiliary power unit providing for the cockpit and aircraft equipment power supply and conditioning while ground maintenancte without ground support means application.

The Su-35 aircraft is designed by “Sukhoi Design Bureau”, but its production is mastered at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Production Association named after Gagarin.

The Su-35 merits are the following:

• Supreme flight performance, superagility mode
• Long range information targeting system
• Advanced jam-resistant secure communication system providing data link between the aircraft and ground-based command centers
• High-performance air-to-air and air-to-surface long- medium-, and short-range guided weapon mounted externally on 14 hardpoints
• High-performance EW and ECM systems
• Electronic reconnaissance system
• Design features aimed at stealth capability enhancement
• New indication and signaling system with Multifunctional Display, notable for its enlarged capacity and advanced quality of provided data
• In-flight refueling system.

KnAAPO Specifications [Cited]
Su-35 basic specifications
Take-off weight, kg:
normal (2 x RVV-AE + 2 x R-73E) 25,300
maximal 34,500
By-pass turbojet engine:
number, pcs 2
thrust, kg 14,500
Maximal fuel load in internal fuel tanks, kg 11,500
Maximal combat load, kg 8,000
Ceiling, km 18
Range with maximal fuel load, km:
Н=0, М=0.7 1,580
Нcr, М cr 3,600
Ferry range: 4,500
with 2 х PTB-2000 external tanks, km
Acceleration time at H=1,000 m and fuel bingo 50% of the standard capacity, sec:
from 600 km/h to 1,100 km/h 13.8
from 1,100 km/h to 1,300 km/h 8.0
Maximal rate of climb (Н=1,000 m), m/sec >280
Maximal airspeed :
H=200 m, km/h 1,400
H=11,000 m , M 2.25
Maximal g-load, g 9
Take-off run in "full afterburning" mode with standard take-off weight, m 400-450
Landing roll on concrete runway in braking mode with brake parachute and wheel brakes use, with standard landing weight, m 650
Length, m 21.9
Height, m 5.9
Wing span, m 15.3

Su-35S prototype B/N 902 on display at MAKS 2009 with a KAB-1500L and air launched Kh-35UE Harpoonski (© 2009 Vitaliy V. Kuzmin).

The primary BVR weapon to be carried by early production variants of the Su-35S is the KTRV RVV-SD, an extended range evolution of the R-77 / AA-12 Adder similar to the AIM-120D. Note the laser proximity fuse supplanting the radiofrequency fuse (© 2009 Vitaliy V. Kuzmin).

The primary close combat weapon to be carried by early production variants of the Su-35S is the KTRV RVV-MD, an extended range evolution of the R-73/74 / AA-11 Archer with a jam resistant two colour scanning seeker and a laser proximity fuse. Note the wideband ZnS or ZnSe IR window replacing the MgF2 design used in earlier variants (© 2009 Vitaliy V. Kuzmin).

Su-35S cockpit.

Su-35S Electro-Optical System turret (© 2009 Vitaliy V. Kuzmin).

 

[Major Shaitan Singh]

The UOMZ Sapsan E Electro-Optical Targeting System pod is likely to be offered as an alternative to the licenced French Thales Damocles targeting pod (© 2009 Vitaliy V. Kuzmin).

The heavyweight high power KNIRTI SAP-14 Support Jammer ECM pod is a Russian analogue to the US ALQ-99E pod carried on the EA-6B Prowler and EA-18G Growler. It was developed for Flanker family aircraft and is carried on a large centreline pylon. To date little has been disclosed about this design, but it has been observed on the Su-30MK Flanker G/H and Su-34 Fullback. It operates between 1 GHz and 4 GHz (© 2009 Vitaliy V. Kuzmin).

The KNIRTI SAP-518 ECM pod is a new technology replacement for the established L005 Sorbstiya series wingtip ECM pods. It operates between 5 GHz and 18 GHz(© 2009 Vitaliy V. Kuzmin).

Su-30MKI Flanker H model with KNIRTI SAP-14 and SAP-518 jamming pods on display at MAKS 2009. The pods have already been flown on the Su-34 Fullback (© 2009, Miroslav Gyűrösi).

The 117S powerplant (© 2009 Vitaliy V. Kuzmin).

NIIP Irbis E Prototype (Tikhomirov NIIP).