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India rejects US P-3C Orion aircraft

By Rahul Bedi, New Delhi: In a rare 'no' to Washington, the Indian Navy has called off the leasing of two US Navy P-3C Orion maritime reconnaissance aircraft (MRA) on grounds they are too expensive.

The 18-24 months it would take the US Navy to retrofit the two aircraft to the Indian Navy specifications once the lease had been finalized also contributed to New Delhi opting out of the deal.

"The lease (of two P-3C Orions) is timed out. It was expensive and time-consuming," a senior Indian official associated with the lease negotiations said.

The US Navy is believed to have demanded Rs.8 billion for the lease via the foreign military sales programme.

Fear of US sanctions, like the ones imposed following India's 1998 nuclear tests that led to the Indian Navy's entire Sea King MK42 fleet being grounded due to a shortage of spares, also influenced the navy's decision, officials indicated.

Sanctions on India - and Pakistan for its nuclear tests - were lifted in late 2001.

India's P-3C Orion lease was to be a precursor to purchasing eight others to augment its reconnaissance requirements which the navy presently considers "highly inadequate" for anti-piracy operations, narcotics control and to counter natural and ecological disasters like tsunami's or oil and chemical spills.

In anticipation, P-3C Orion manufacturers Lockheed Martin had signed a non-disclosure technical assistance agreement with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in Bangalore last year to share export controlled data related to technical and commercial proposals to retrofit the MRAs to the Indian Navy's requirements.

The Indian Navy has now sent out to MRA manufacturers in the US, France, Britain and Russia a request for proposals for the outright purchase of eight MRAs.

These will replace a similar number of Tupolev Tu 142 'Bear Foxtrot' MRAs that are being retired after negotiations with Russia and Israel to retrofit them were called off three years ago.

The Indian Navy confirmed that it was also involved in exploratory talks with Boeing Corp for possible involvement in the P-8A MMA it is developing based on the Boeing 737NG platform.

The Indian Navy believes that the P-8A would match the combined operational profile presently being executed by its existing fleet of Ilyushin Il-38 and Tu 142 MRAs.

It also considers its involvement in the Boeing MMA programme an 'evaluation' and 'test' of Washington's long-term military and strategic commitment to India and a possible counter to possible future sanctions.

Washington considers the Indian Navy a stabilizing force in the Indian Ocean region and wants a closer working relationship with it as it straddles the strongest area of strategic convergence: sea-lane protection.

The US is also keen that the Indian Navy, which has a formidable presence in the Indian Ocean region, to officially join the Washington-led proliferation security initiative (PSI) which seeks to interdict vessels suspected of carrying weapons of mass destruction and associated equipment.

Meanwhile, the Indian Navy last month received the first of its five Il-38 MRAs upgraded to the Il-38 SD standard and equipped with the Morskoi Amei (Sea Dragon) radar system compatible with the navy's proposed strategic deterrence.

The remaining four similarly upgraded MRAs will be delivered to the Indian Navy by early next year. Two of these aircraft are replacements being provided by Rosonboronexport for the ones that crashed in October 2002.

Currently, the Indian Navy is dependent on its fleet of around 20 Dornier 228 aircraft and Israeli Searcher Mark II and Heron unmanned aerial vehicles to monitor India's 7,516-km long coastline, 1,197 islands and a two-million sq km exclusive economic zone.
 
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Look at the preparation of Indian Navy. Also i noticed that $8 billion dollars for 8 P3C Orions on lease were quite expensive, i wonder how much Pakistan paid for actually getting 8 more P3C Orions.
 
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India rejects US P-3C Orion aircraft

By Rahul Bedi, New Delhi: In a rare 'no' to Washington, the Indian Navy has called off the leasing of two US Navy P-3C Orion maritime reconnaissance aircraft (MRA) on grounds they are too expensive.

The 18-24 months it would take the US Navy to retrofit the two aircraft to the Indian Navy specifications once the lease had been finalized also contributed to New Delhi opting out of the deal.

"The lease (of two P-3C Orions) is timed out. It was expensive and time-consuming," a senior Indian official associated with the lease negotiations said.

The US Navy is believed to have demanded Rs.8 billion for the lease via the foreign military sales programme.

Fear of US sanctions, like the ones imposed following India's 1998 nuclear tests that led to the Indian Navy's entire Sea King MK42 fleet being grounded due to a shortage of spares, also influenced the navy's decision, officials indicated.

Sanctions on India - and Pakistan for its nuclear tests - were lifted in late 2001.

India's P-3C Orion lease was to be a precursor to purchasing eight others to augment its reconnaissance requirements which the navy presently considers "highly inadequate" for anti-piracy operations, narcotics control and to counter natural and ecological disasters like tsunami's or oil and chemical spills.

In anticipation, P-3C Orion manufacturers Lockheed Martin had signed a non-disclosure technical assistance agreement with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in Bangalore last year to share export controlled data related to technical and commercial proposals to retrofit the MRAs to the Indian Navy's requirements.

The Indian Navy has now sent out to MRA manufacturers in the US, France, Britain and Russia a request for proposals for the outright purchase of eight MRAs.

These will replace a similar number of Tupolev Tu 142 'Bear Foxtrot' MRAs that are being retired after negotiations with Russia and Israel to retrofit them were called off three years ago.

The Indian Navy confirmed that it was also involved in exploratory talks with Boeing Corp for possible involvement in the P-8A MMA it is developing based on the Boeing 737NG platform.

The Indian Navy believes that the P-8A would match the combined operational profile presently being executed by its existing fleet of Ilyushin Il-38 and Tu 142 MRAs.

It also considers its involvement in the Boeing MMA programme an 'evaluation' and 'test' of Washington's long-term military and strategic commitment to India and a possible counter to possible future sanctions.

Washington considers the Indian Navy a stabilizing force in the Indian Ocean region and wants a closer working relationship with it as it straddles the strongest area of strategic convergence: sea-lane protection.

The US is also keen that the Indian Navy, which has a formidable presence in the Indian Ocean region, to officially join the Washington-led proliferation security initiative (PSI) which seeks to interdict vessels suspected of carrying weapons of mass destruction and associated equipment.

Meanwhile, the Indian Navy last month received the first of its five Il-38 MRAs upgraded to the Il-38 SD standard and equipped with the Morskoi Amei (Sea Dragon) radar system compatible with the navy's proposed strategic deterrence.

The remaining four similarly upgraded MRAs will be delivered to the Indian Navy by early next year. Two of these aircraft are replacements being provided by Rosonboronexport for the ones that crashed in October 2002.

Currently, the Indian Navy is dependent on its fleet of around 20 Dornier 228 aircraft and Israeli Searcher Mark II and Heron unmanned aerial vehicles to monitor India's 7,516-km long coastline, 1,197 islands and a two-million sq km exclusive economic zone.

sir, its true negotiations were called off but later we were looking to buy upto 10 more Tu-142s from Russian Navy's
surplus stocks, you can check the info on the web
 
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sir, its true negotiations were called off but later we were looking to buy upto 10 more Tu-142s from Russian Navy's
surplus stocks, you can check the info on the web

No the deal was called off because the IN were interested in a more advanced platform. This is why the P-8I has been now selected.


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sir, its true negotiations were called off but later we were looking to buy upto 10 more Tu-142s from Russian Navy's
surplus stocks, you can check the info on the web

Dude - check the dates of thread before posting your expert opinion
 
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The Yanks are businessmen to the core. The military Industrial complex runs the US of A. It's the dollars that count. All this talk of US-India 'strategic partnership' is balderdash. They just believe in ripping off the suckers.

And why on Earth should we have anything to do with the Orions? In January 2009 Boeing was selected to provide eight P-8I Poseidon long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft to the Indian navy.

The P-8I Poseidon is a true multi-mission platform. All on-board sensors contribute to a single fused tactical situation display, which is then shared over both military standard and internet protocol data links, allowing for seamless delivery of information amongst U.S. and coalition forces. As an armed platform, P-8A independently closes the kill chain, while simultaneously providing data to everyone on the network.

And then we're getting the Northrop Grumman E-2D Advanced Hawkeyes for the Indian Navy which would also be carrier based.

So why even think of the antique Orion platforms? Am I missing something here?
 
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Waking from Slumber after a fortnight Thanks to Pakistani Moderators.

Anywase have shrude Thinkers in Naval War office who clearly know life of a Weapsystem as against the growth...P8I good choice. Let me also clarify with P81 coming Tu144 will not be discarded they will continue to Carry PJ10.
Jai Hind
 
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India rejected US P-3C Orion aircraft because its vintage and we have money to buy the very best and futuristic the most advance in the world.

The price was not a issue it proves with the P-8 Poseidon deal with many times the amount and number of planes involved.
 
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