India needs 18 submarines to deal with Pakistan, China

[Archie]

whats schedual of Indian subs retirement as many are due in coming years?
Any official confirmation for another disiel subs?

First Kilo class Sub will retire in 2014 , while first Type 209 will retire in 2016

INS SindhuDhwag , 2014
INS SindhuRaj , 2015
INS Shishumar , 2016
INS SindhuGhosh , 2017
INS Shankush , 2018
INS SindhuVir , 2019

These Subs will be replaced By Scorpene class Which will be Inducted between 2015-18
Retirement Dates for rest of Subs have not been Announced , And will depend on Induction of Next Gen SSK
India will also Induct 4 Arihant class Subs in 2012 , 2015 , 2018 , 2020
While we will will get an Akula II class SSN in December 2011 , there is also a chance that we will induct a second Akula II in 2014

 

[RockyX]

First Kilo class Sub will retire in 2014 , while first Type 209 will retire in 2016

INS SindhuDhwag , 2014
INS SindhuRaj , 2015
INS Shishumar , 2016
INS SindhuGhosh , 2017
INS Shankush , 2018
INS SindhuVir , 2019

These Subs will be replaced By Scorpene class Which will be Inducted between 2015-18
Retirement Dates for rest of Subs have not been Announced , And will depend on Induction of Next Gen SSK
India will also Induct 4 Arihant class Subs in 2012 , 2015 , 2018 , 2020
While we will will get an Akula II class SSN in December 2011 , there is also a chance that we will induct a second Akula II in 2014

Beside there, We are also planning to BUY 6 more submarine in Project 75I. Amur, S-1000, Navaltis, France are 4 possible competitor. Also, 4 more Scorpean possible.

By 2020, 8 existing + 6 Scorpean + 4-5 ATV + 1 Akula = 18-20. We will maintain the number. Also, Quality of these submarines are good. Once we start Project 75I then total submarine would be 21-23 around 2020.

 

[SEAL]

China we are buying Qing Class Nuclear Submarines and 2 Type 54 Frigates

Actually they are not nuclear submarines but AIP, they can carry Nuclear capable long range missiles which will give us Nuclear attack capability from sea.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

First Kilo class Sub will retire in 2014 , while first Type 209 will retire in 2016

INS SindhuDhwag , 2014
INS SindhuRaj , 2015
INS Shishumar , 2016
INS SindhuGhosh , 2017
INS Shankush , 2018
INS SindhuVir , 2019

These Subs will be replaced By Scorpene class Which will be Inducted between 2015-18
Retirement Dates for rest of Subs have not been Announced , And will depend on Induction of Next Gen SSK
India will also Induct 4 Arihant class Subs in 2012 , 2015 , 2018 , 2020
While we will will get an Akula II class SSN in December 2011 , there is also a chance that we will induct a second Akula II in 2014

Thanks for the information.That means by 2020 IN will be having around 20 subs in arabian sea as well as Indian ocean While PN is looking to have about 15 subs by 2020.Both will be in a good position in Arabian sea.

 

[Super Falcon]

well i dont understand whatever india orders it faces to main probleums corruption we also do but india also faces delays scorpion is also in delay russian sub to india also delay russian aircarft carrier to india delyayes three time dont know what going on pakistan almost get things before time

 

[punisher]

well i dont understand whatever india orders it faces to main probleums corruption we also do but india also faces delays scorpion is also in delay russian sub to india also delay russian aircarft carrier to india delyayes three time dont know what going on pakistan almost get things before time

We are in Sub continent bro, better if we talk less about corruption.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Stupid logic to only focus on subs, let's not forget the IN has one of the most formidable surface fleets in the world and it is only growing in power and size. Added to that is the ever more powerful IN ASW arm with the world's best ASW plane- P-8, not to mention all the other platforms in use and being procured.

In quantity and quality the IN is always going to beat the PN, no matter what way you cut it. Similarly the IN is going to have the technological edge over the PLAN for the foreseeable future.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

India should focus on population control

 

[Zarvan]

Actually they are not nuclear submarines but AIP, they can carry Nuclear capable long range missiles which will give us Nuclear attack capability from sea.

Sir they are Nuclear Submarines

 

[VelocuR]

Sir they are Nuclear Submarines

No, it is NOT. Please go check more details here- http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-...-class-submarines-china-2-type-054a-ffgs.html

 

[MZUBAIR]

In Service Fleet

Pakistan
3 Agosta 90B
2 Agosta 70 (upgraded)
3 midget Subs

China

Conventional attack submarines (SSKs)
Total - 52 boats
Conventional ballistic missile submarine (SSG)
Total - 1 boat
Nuclear attack submarines (SSNs)
Total - 6 boats
Ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs)
Total - 4 boats
Cruise missile submarines (SSGNs)
Total – 1 boats
Grand Total = 64


India
Only 14



Future Inductions

Pakistan

6 Chineese
China

12 Advanced Armours SSKs


India

18 New [Russian, Indian & French Subs]


Even after getting 18 Subs, India cant match both PAK and China [70+ Subs].

 

[Cool_Soldier]

No, it is NOT. Please go check more details here- http://www.defence.pk/forums/naval-...-class-submarines-china-2-type-054a-ffgs.html

Yes, they are not nuclear subs.Qing class is Electric-desiel subs but hey are larger in size thats why they can have longer range almost could cover south asian seas.Moreover they can be tipped with nuke tipped cruise missile, so could be used as nuclear second strike option.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Stupid logic to only focus on subs, let's not forget the IN has one of the most formidable surface fleets in the world and it is only growing in power and size. Added to that is the ever more powerful IN ASW arm with the world's best ASW plane- P-8, not to mention all the other platforms in use and being procured.

In quantity and quality the IN is always going to beat the PN, no matter what way you cut it. Similarly the IN is going to have the technological edge over the PLAN for the foreseeable future.

That is reality that IN is much larger in fleet size.But do not frget they have to keep their presence in two oceans while PN is concentrating only in Arabian sea.Even in a war situation IN can not leave one side empty.

Quality wise IN is buyer of nearly same sources from which PN purchase.Maily UK, France,Germany, USA.Only one supplier is different Russia and China.

So if any one thinks IN is quality wise far sperior to PN, will be in deep sleep

 

[IND151]

That is reality that IN is much larger in fleet size.But do not frget they have to keep their presence in two oceans while PN is concentrating only in Arabian sea.Even in a war situation IN can not leave one side empty.

Quality wise IN is buyer of nearly same sources from which PN purchase.Maily UK, France,Germany, USA.Only one supplier is different Russia and China.

So if any one thinks IN is quality wise far sperior to PN, will be in deep sleep

partially true

but IN will soon have SSNs > 2 akulas and 1 arihant.

Quality wise IN is buyer of nearly same sources from which PN purchase.Maily UK, France,Germany, USA.Only one supplier is different Russia and China.

but question is does pak integrate Israel made weapons in its warships like Barack 2?

does pak has stealth ships like shivalik?

plus majority of PN destroyers are destroyer frigate weighing 3500 to 4000 tons while all destroyers of IN are large destroyers weighing 6000 tons+.

IN destroyers can carry more weapons as they are larger

then again we have AC and 2 more are coming

PN ships

24,000 active personnel
5,000 in reserve
2,000 member in Maritime Security Agency
11 ships
40 aircraft
1 dock landing ship
4 mine hunters
12 missile boats
12 hovercraft
11 frigates
5 submarines
8 auxiliary ships
1 Research Vessel
1 Missile guided ship

Total 66 ships

IN strength


55000 personnel

Submarines (14 in Service)

Destroyers (8 in service)

Corvettes (24 in Service)

Amphibious Warfare Ships (20 in Service)

Patrol Ships (32 in Service)

Minesweepers (8 in Service)

Replenishment Tankers (11 in Service)

Survey ship (8 in Service)

Research Vessel (1 in Service)

Torpedo Recovery Vessels (2 in Service)

Training Vessel (2 in Service)

Sail training Vessel (2 in Service)

Yacht (1 in Service)

Miscellaneous (6 in Service)

Harbor Tug (18 in Service)

Ocean Tug (2 in Service)

Diving Support Ship (1 in Service)

Total ships 160

source > wiki

 

[Secur]

^^ and a far bigger coastline than Pakistan to defend ...