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This is indeed a eye opener mam. No not the part of india being enemy but the part PLA military more corrupt. About 1962 war PLA better then i would say india even more better equivpd then 1962. Infact india hardly faught with any weapons in 1962. No weapons, no food and fighting 1 against 8 was no match for our army. Now things changed. Am not shocked chinese people see india as enemy. Even in formula 1 race our indian won in china then all chinese crowd left without watching our indian in podium and national anthem. Before that i thought chinese people dont see india as enemy. Anyway its good they see us as enemy. That will add more enemies in their list. Even china's bestfriend australia sended its minister in india and he said sorry for voting china against india in AP loan. He said AP india's part and they will support india in future rather then china. So it seems china adding up enemy list. India 1.1 billion, america 300 million, uk, france, japan, south korea, taiwan and soon australia. The list goes on. India is china's main enemy and then its america and taiwan, japan etc etc. Good to see that.

X'usi senori... India did not have any weapons.. ??
Ahem.. like every frikkin western country rushed you aid..
Guns..ammo.. mountain fighting equipment..
Heck the Americans were even prepped to send ya Phantoms(so glad that remained mcnamra's Idea)..
...I mean.. BuDdy.. wat ara yaou.. taCking aBout?? (shaking head in round motion.)
 
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of course the chinese will think so..coz Both India and China are future world superpowers
 
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of course the chinese will think so..coz Both India and China are future world superpowers

:sick: why you are linking your country with China or why you are using the phrase "future world superpower" lolzz China is already superpower
 
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X'usi senori... India did not have any weapons.. ??
Ahem.. like every frikkin western country rushed you aid..
Guns..ammo.. mountain fighting equipment..
Heck the Americans were even prepped to send ya Phantoms(so glad that remained mcnamra's Idea)..
...I mean.. BuDdy.. wat ara yaou.. taCking aBout?? (shaking head in round motion.)

:) Almost 90% Indian members think in case of Indo-China war US will come to Indian help against China
 
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Wait... the Chinese perceive India to be their main enemy because Indians host the Dalai Lama?!

I bet that most Chinese don't even know that the Dalai Lama is located in India. Even then... more than half of the time he is making high-profile visits to other countries.

India and China are the future of Asia and if these countries continue their economic collaboration, the whole of Asia will be threat to Western dominance. And that explains why UK's 'Sunday Times' is trying to create a rift between the two Asian powers.
 
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:) Almost 90% Indian members think in case of Indo-China war US will come to Indian help against China

actually, if there will be a country that helps india in a indo-china war, its more likely that country will be russia rather then US. guess who shown the greatest concern on india's agni V programe (dont tell me that india is going to use it against china and pakistan). just imagine why india is doing this and they can figure out how creditable the indo-US ralationship is on the government level.
 
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actually, if there will be a country that helps india in a indo-china war, its more likely that country will be russia rather then US. guess who shown the greatest concern on india's agni V programe (dont tell me that india is going to use it against china and pakistan). just imagine why india is doing this and they can figure out how creditable the indo-US ralationship is on the government level.

:) US relation with any country could never be credible simple as that. Even the Europe is feeling the heat of danger from US.


On the other hand i even doubt that Russia will take any active part in case of Indo-China war
 
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IT is designed to be a military spectacle to awe the Chinese people on the 60th anniversary of the People’s Republic and to show the world a well equipped, modern force that is a far cry from the peasant army that swept the Communist party to power.

Nothing has been left to chance for the grandest martial parade in the history of modern China, which is due to roll across central Beijing on Thursday.

Chinese military websites say the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will unveil six weapons systems, including new generation Jian-10 fighters and JL-2 ballistic missiles. Some 200,000 soldiers will march in 56 formations, one for each of the officially recognised ethnic “nationalities” in China.

Some of the soldiers will shoulder the latest sleek assault rifles, codenamed QBZ-95. The army’s new battle tank, model ZTZ99, which is said to incorporate design lessons learnt from the performance of American armour in Iraq, will rumble across Tiananmen Square.

Overhead, Zhi-10 helicopter gunships, powered by Canadian-built engines, are to fly in formation above Beijing’s ancient palaces and gleaming new skyscrapers. They will share the skies with the ultra-secret KJ-series jet, a warning and control aircraft.

The parade is meant to consummate the transformation of the PLA from a revolutionary guerrilla movement into a sophisticated military using smart weapons and space-based surveillance systems.

“It is an extraordinary achievement,” said Liang Guanglie, the defence minister, in an interview published on his ministry’s website.

Extraordinary measures to repress any opposition to the party at the end of its sixth decade in power suggest that despite having 2.3m men under arms, the leadership still fears foes at home.

Black-clad Swat teams of police will be deployed at key intersections and thousands of agents will stage a security clampdown exceeding anything seen for the 2008 Olympic Games.

Dissidents have been shut up at home or arrested. Police have banned peasants from coming to the capital to present their grievances as petitions, a tradition that dates back thousands of years.

Counter-terrorist squads, backed up by informers, are prowling the districts where Muslims from China’s restive far west live. Peaceful Tibetan Buddhists are also under surveillance in their incense-filled temples. Internet users say censorship has never been so restrictive. Facebook and Twitter are among the sites that have been blocked.

At the last parade 10 years ago, diplomats were able to watch from balconies in their compound. This time residents have been warned that if they step out they may be shot.

“We must abide by Deng Xiaoping’s instruction that China must be under the leadership of the Communist party,” declared the People’s Daily on Friday. “If this fundamental principle is altered, China will go backwards, split and fall into chaos.”

A lone anonymous citizen responded on the website of Hong Kong’s Phoenix TV, which is read by millions on the mainland: “Since you are so great, glorious and correct, why don’t you dare give the people the vote?”

Questions like that will not be on the agenda for President Hu Jintao when he returns, garlanded in state media praise, from the United Nations and the G20 summit in Pittsburgh.

Inside China the 60th anniversary parade is seen as the crowning glory to a sequence of events that has fascinated the outside world, from the 2008 Olympics to the acknowledgment of China as a leading player in the world economic crisis.

While Britain and America struggle out of recession, Beijing’s “state capitalism” looks likely to achieve its target of 8% economic growth this year. Independent economists say its “growth model” of cheap exports and low wages cannot last in the long run; but in the short run Chinese leaders have survived a 25% drop in exports and the loss of 20m jobs.

After 1949 China closed itself off to the world in Mao Tse-tung’s experiment with utopian socialism — a period of purges and famine that cost at least 30m lives and which the party would prefer to forget.

“Chinese people were the slaves of Mao,” commented a “netizen” named Xinling in his blog last week.

The fact that he could make such a statement shows how the internet, despite its 30,000 online censors, continues to liberate Chinese public opinion.

Since reform began in 1979, foreign trade has allowed China to pile up £1.25 trillion in foreign exchange reserves while raising 200m people out of poverty. Now strategists speak with confidence of a day when the dollar no longer rules and the West declines.

Nervous other powers are encouraging the Chinese to become “responsible stakeholders” in the international system that Mao once sought to overturn. “Nobody wants to repeat what happened when imperial Germany and Japan emerged on the world stage a century ago,” said a British diplomat with long experience of negotiating with the Chinese.

On that score there are grounds for optimism. Speaking last week at the UN, the president pledged China for the first time to a significant reduction in carbon emissions, saying it would clean up its ruined environment and promising to fight global warming.

He also committed China to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, saying “all countries should strictly comply with non-proliferation obligations, refrain from double standards and tighten and improve export controls”.

Western diplomats find the new tone encouraging, coming from a country that gave the designs for its own atomic bomb to Pakistan in a cold-blooded move to weaken their joint rival, India.

However, China continues to protect North Korea, a treaty ally, and to argue against sanctions on Iran, a vital oil supplier. Its friends in Africa include President Omar Bashir of Sudan and Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe.

Not everyone in Beijing speaks in the silky language of the foreign ministry. Thursday’s parade is certain to provoke an outpouring of virulent nationalism. Curiously, the enemy most often spoken of is India. The censors permit alarmingly frank discussion on the internet of the merits of a war against India to secure the Tibetan plateau.

“Help the Maoists take over power in India to pay them back for hosting the Dalai Lama,” said one contributor.


Veterans who know the PLA from the inside say that despite all its shiny new kit, such grandiose ideas mask the reality of a force that has no recent battle experience and is riddled with corruption. They describe a system of bribes ranging from 10,000 yuan (£909) to get a good post for a private soldier to 30,000 yuan for a place at military college.

“Compared with our last war against India in 1962, our equipment is much better but the devotion to country and people of our officers and men is much worse,” said a retired officer, who cannot be named.

Or, as General Zhang Shutian, a political commissar, put it in a recent speech: “If corruption in the army continues, ideology will decay and open the way for religion, while the promotion system risks causing a mutiny.”
 
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Good job of mixing few anti-China article together to act like your

own post, My dear Beijing resident !

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IT is designed to be a military spectacle to awe the Chinese people on the 60th anniversary of the People’s Republic and to show the world a well equipped, modern force that is a far cry from the peasant army that swept the Communist party to power.

Nothing has been left to chance for the grandest martial parade in the history of modern China, which is due to roll across central Beijing on Thursday.

Chinese military websites say the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will unveil six weapons systems, including new generation Jian-10 fighters and JL-2 ballistic missiles. Some 200,000 soldiers will march in 56 formations, one for each of the officially recognised ethnic “nationalities” in China.

Some of the soldiers will shoulder the latest sleek assault rifles, codenamed QBZ-95. The army’s new battle tank, model ZTZ99, which is said to incorporate design lessons learnt from the performance of American armour in Iraq, will rumble across Tiananmen Square.

Overhead, Zhi-10 helicopter gunships, powered by Canadian-built engines, are to fly in formation above Beijing’s ancient palaces and gleaming new skyscrapers. They will share the skies with the ultra-secret KJ-series jet, a warning and control aircraft.

The parade is meant to consummate the transformation of the PLA from a revolutionary guerrilla movement into a sophisticated military using smart weapons and space-based surveillance systems.

“It is an extraordinary achievement,” said Liang Guanglie, the defence minister, in an interview published on his ministry’s website.

Extraordinary measures to repress any opposition to the party at the end of its sixth decade in power suggest that despite having 2.3m men under arms, the leadership still fears foes at home.

Black-clad Swat teams of police will be deployed at key intersections and thousands of agents will stage a security clampdown exceeding anything seen for the 2008 Olympic Games.

Dissidents have been shut up at home or arrested. Police have banned peasants from coming to the capital to present their grievances as petitions, a tradition that dates back thousands of years.

Counter-terrorist squads, backed up by informers, are prowling the districts where Muslims from China’s restive far west live. Peaceful Tibetan Buddhists are also under surveillance in their incense-filled temples. Internet users say censorship has never been so restrictive. Facebook and Twitter are among the sites that have been blocked.

At the last parade 10 years ago, diplomats were able to watch from balconies in their compound. This time residents have been warned that if they step out they may be shot.

“We must abide by Deng Xiaoping’s instruction that China must be under the leadership of the Communist party,” declared the People’s Daily on Friday. “If this fundamental principle is altered, China will go backwards, split and fall into chaos.”

A lone anonymous citizen responded on the website of Hong Kong’s Phoenix TV, which is read by millions on the mainland: “Since you are so great, glorious and correct, why don’t you dare give the people the vote?”

Questions like that will not be on the agenda for President Hu Jintao when he returns, garlanded in state media praise, from the United Nations and the G20 summit in Pittsburgh.

Inside China the 60th anniversary parade is seen as the crowning glory to a sequence of events that has fascinated the outside world, from the 2008 Olympics to the acknowledgment of China as a leading player in the world economic crisis.

While Britain and America struggle out of recession, Beijing’s “state capitalism” looks likely to achieve its target of 8% economic growth this year. Independent economists say its “growth model” of cheap exports and low wages cannot last in the long run; but in the short run Chinese leaders have survived a 25% drop in exports and the loss of 20m jobs.

After 1949 China closed itself off to the world in Mao Tse-tung’s experiment with utopian socialism — a period of purges and famine that cost at least 30m lives and which the party would prefer to forget.

“Chinese people were the slaves of Mao,” commented a “netizen” named Xinling in his blog last week.

The fact that he could make such a statement shows how the internet, despite its 30,000 online censors, continues to liberate Chinese public opinion.

Since reform began in 1979, foreign trade has allowed China to pile up £1.25 trillion in foreign exchange reserves while raising 200m people out of poverty. Now strategists speak with confidence of a day when the dollar no longer rules and the West declines.

Nervous other powers are encouraging the Chinese to become “responsible stakeholders” in the international system that Mao once sought to overturn. “Nobody wants to repeat what happened when imperial Germany and Japan emerged on the world stage a century ago,” said a British diplomat with long experience of negotiating with the Chinese.

On that score there are grounds for optimism. Speaking last week at the UN, the president pledged China for the first time to a significant reduction in carbon emissions, saying it would clean up its ruined environment and promising to fight global warming.

He also committed China to stop the spread of nuclear weapons, saying “all countries should strictly comply with non-proliferation obligations, refrain from double standards and tighten and improve export controls”.

Western diplomats find the new tone encouraging, coming from a country that gave the designs for its own atomic bomb to Pakistan in a cold-blooded move to weaken their joint rival, India.

However, China continues to protect North Korea, a treaty ally, and to argue against sanctions on Iran, a vital oil supplier. Its friends in Africa include President Omar Bashir of Sudan and Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe.

Not everyone in Beijing speaks in the silky language of the foreign ministry. Thursday’s parade is certain to provoke an outpouring of virulent nationalism. Curiously, the enemy most often spoken of is India. The censors permit alarmingly frank discussion on the internet of the merits of a war against India to secure the Tibetan plateau.

“Help the Maoists take over power in India to pay them back for hosting the Dalai Lama,” said one contributor.


Veterans who know the PLA from the inside say that despite all its shiny new kit, such grandiose ideas mask the reality of a force that has no recent battle experience and is riddled with corruption. They describe a system of bribes ranging from 10,000 yuan (£909) to get a good post for a private soldier to 30,000 yuan for a place at military college.

“Compared with our last war against India in 1962, our equipment is much better but the devotion to country and people of our officers and men is much worse,” said a retired officer, who cannot be named.

Or, as General Zhang Shutian, a political commissar, put it in a recent speech: “If corruption in the army continues, ideology will decay and open the way for religion, while the promotion system risks causing a mutiny.”

interesting,

just gonna point out a few things

1. "Extraordinary measures to repress any opposition to the party at the end of its sixth decade in power suggest that despite having 2.3m men under arms, the leadership still fears foes at home."


says who?

their proof: "Black-clad Swat teams of police will be deployed at key intersections and thousands of agents will stage a security clampdown exceeding anything seen for the 2008 Olympic Games."

result: increased security MUST mean the leadership is fearful and its population is uncontrollable without 2.3m troops


2. “Chinese people were the slaves of Mao,”

- by some guy on the internet

3.“Since you are so great, glorious and correct, why don’t you
dare give the people the vote?”


- by some other guy on the internet

4.“Nobody wants to repeat what happened when imperial Germany and Japan emerged on the world stage a century ago,”

- by unnamed British guy

5. Western diplomats find the new tone encouraging, coming from a country that gave the designs for its own atomic bomb to Pakistan in a cold-blooded move to weaken their joint rival, India.

- uh huh where the proof again?

6.“Help the Maoists take over power in India to pay them back for hosting the Dalai Lama,” said one contributor.

-by yet another unnamed guy(probably on the internet)

7."Veterans who know the PLA from the inside say that despite all its shiny new kit, such grandiose ideas mask the reality of a force that has no recent battle experience and is riddled with corruption. They describe a system of bribes ranging from 10,000 yuan (£909) to get a good post for a private soldier to 30,000 yuan for a place at military college."

-No source not even a unnamed one

8."“Compared with our last war against India in 1962, our equipment is much better but the devotion to country and people of our officers and men is much worse,” said a retired officer, who cannot be named.
"


- notice how he couldn't be named

9. "Or, as General Zhang Shutian, a political commissar, put it in a recent speech: “If corruption in the army continues, ideology will decay and open the way for religion, while the promotion system risks causing a mutiny.”"

-the only one with a source and what does it prove? is he any more trut worthy than Liang Guanglie, the defence minister?



regardless of whether or not the article states any facts judge its quality first and ill leave that up to you after i pointed out my points
 
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This is indeed a eye opener mam. No not the part of india being enemy but the part PLA military more corrupt. About 1962 war PLA better then i would say india even more better equivpd then 1962. Infact india hardly faught with any weapons in 1962. No weapons, no food and fighting 1 against 8 was no match for our army. Now things changed. Am not shocked chinese people see india as enemy. Even in formula 1 race our indian won in china then all chinese crowd left without watching our indian in podium and national anthem. Before that i thought chinese people dont see india as enemy. Anyway its good they see us as enemy. That will add more enemies in their list. Even china's bestfriend australia sended its minister in india and he said sorry for voting china against india in AP loan. He said AP india's part and they will support india in future rather then china. So it seems china adding up enemy list. India 1.1 billion, america 300 million, uk, france, japan, south korea, taiwan and soon australia. The list goes on. India is china's main enemy and then its america and taiwan, japan etc etc. Good to see that.

When? Which Indian won a F1 race? I dont doubt the Chinese walking off...maybe you got the sport wrong...
 
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interesting,

just gonna point out a few things

1. "Extraordinary measures to repress any opposition to the party at the end of its sixth decade in power suggest that despite having 2.3m men under arms, the leadership still fears foes at home."


says who?

their proof: "Black-clad Swat teams of police will be deployed at key intersections and thousands of agents will stage a security clampdown exceeding anything seen for the 2008 Olympic Games."

result: increased security MUST mean the leadership is fearful and its population is uncontrollable without 2.3m troops

Its true. The security in Beijing now-a-days is really astounding. Even more than during the Olympics. A few days ago almost the whole city was shut down for the parade practice. Since one month more police can be seen on roads, especially inside 2nd ring road. I have myself seen Police in full riot gear carrying sub-machine guns stationed 24x7 in various strategic places inside armored personnel carriers (APCs) all around the city. Its like the city is preparing for a war.
The directive about keeping windows shut for buildings around the first road and Tian'an'men square is also true. Not even foreign embassies are exempt. Most of my friends, including Chinese, are leaving the city for holidays before 1st October.
The positive side is there is a festive season look all around inspite of the heightened security.. :tup:All public places/areas are being decked up with flowers and decorations just like it was during the 2008 Olympics. Cannot wait to see the flower shows in Tian'an'men and various parks in Beijing during the National holidays.:agree:
 
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Good job of mixing few anti-China article together to act like your

own post, My dear Beijing resident !

But, what can i say; Faking is in your blood.:smitten:

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Saying..Chinese dont like Indians...and infact Chinese hate and despise Indians....How is this anti-Chinese???

On this forum many instances of how chinese make fun of Indians were given by Chinese themselves...So how stating the facts become anti-chinese?...is Truth and Honesty..Anti-Chinese?
 
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Always keep the source of the article in mind.

Times of India is among the most puerile and jingoistic of Indian media. They were at the forefront of the "border incursion" hysteria.

Times Online (UK) is part of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. pushing the neocon agenda. This is the same company that owns Fox News, Washington Post, Sky News, etc, etc.
 
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Always keep the source of the article in mind.

Times of India is among the most puerile and jingoistic of Indian media. They were at the forefront of the "border incursion" hysteria.

Times Online (UK) is part of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. pushing the neocon agenda. This is the same company that owns Fox News, Washington Post, Sky News, etc, etc.

Source please?
 
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