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India launches its 1st indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant

A carrier killer rofl. If CM-400AKG is a carrier killer then what is DF-21D?

The aircraft carrying AKG will be killed before it can launch it's killer.

DF-21D is for the big boys, AKG is for kids playing adults.....get the drift ;) ??

And good luck even attempting to shoot down the jet that releases CM-400AKG around 200-250 km's away :) or the later version from even further off.



@Dillinger

Explain to this guy the complications involved in anti-carrier ops. He thinks it's so simple - just fire
a missile and sink a carrier, lol.

Can you call on Dillinger to explain to you how much planning and resources are involved in such an attempt, can he also tell you the extreme importance, even if it is just morale booster, of sinking an ACC??? Finally, can he give you a list of ACCs sunk or crippled out of service during war b/w 2 countries that actually had a military?
 
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DF-21D is for the big boys, AKG is for kids playing adults.....get the drift ;) ??

And good luck even attempting to shoot down the jet that releases CM-400AKG around 200-250 km's away :) or the later version from even further off.





Can you call on Dillinger to explain to you how much planning and resources are involved in such an attempt, can he also tell you the extreme importance, even if it is just morale booster, of sinking an ACC??? Finally, can he give you a list of ACCs sunk or crippled out of service during war b/w 2 countries that actually had a military?

He can tell you that "ACCs" sunk during the second world war have no connection to carrier operations and capabilities today. He can also tell you that there is, at the present moment, no hope for a JFT to breach an AEW supported BARCAP. Beyond that he has already dealt with this topic with posters more knowledgeable in such affairs than the one being dealt with here. Good day to you.
 
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stealth 5th gen pigs, may i add!

may be giant stealth pigs..... If DF-21 can destroy ACC then chyna don't opt for carriers and don't buy floating casino... because it is waste giant ship which can be destroy by missiles.... lolz.... chynese claims....
 
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And good luck even attempting to shoot down the jet that releases CM-400AKG around 200-250 km's away :) or the later version from even further off.

:lol:, fighters will be detected miles away before even coming into the vicinity.
And do u actually think an AC will act solo?
A carrier group consisting of frigates and destroyers will escort the AC to its point of reach.
Naval planes will be on high alert as well.
So conclusively a plane carrying an air to surface missile will have to face the MiGs and Tejas to actually confront the AC.
And this happens when we are not taking into account the various CIWS guns and missile on the frigates, destroyers and the AC as well, which are ready to blow up such threats which are actually coming head on.
 
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No we do not have the funds. IF that gives you some sleep. lol

My sleep is excellent Never lose one let alone anything due to issues with the cheerleaders

Apart from the remaining 62.5% of rupees outlay, an aircraft carrier like yours requires running cost for fuel and parts of US$ 60~100 million yearly. Staff cost another say $10~30 million The purchase of 20 MiG 29K @$32 million apiece =$640 million and OMG you are building a CVN?

How can you find these huge sum of money when your fx reserve only has enough dough to pay for half a year ST debts?
 
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That is what I said you. That is why you can not celebrate that and there won't be completions like 3/8 etc.

So you accepted my point about the quality of chines defense equipment.

Aircraft careers are always Giant iron boards. Some construction is done on the surface for the facility of crew. That will be done later on in next phase of construction.

you dont get my points dude

it is not the matter whether india can complete it

it is just a joke to have a huge 3/8 completion fanfare when the whole damn thing is just a huge ironing board and a hollow shell just like I used the JXXX @ post 261 also 268 to make my points

And the time of just completing 37.5% which is already many years in delay and the costs hugely over-run is making the whole scenario more awful

It is just the cheerleading mentalily so absent of maturity and critical thinking that I'm talking about
 
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My sleep is excellent Never lose one let alone anything due to issues with the cheerleaders

The thing is an aircraft carrier like yours requires running cost for fuel and parts of US$ 60~100 million yearly. Staff cost another say $10~30 million The purchase of 20 MiG 29K @$32 million apiece =$640 million and OMG you are building a CVN?

How can you find these huge sum of money when your fx reserve only has enough dough to pay for half a year ST debts?

well sir we indian have enof money to take care of owr expenses dont confuse us with land of the pure we have already ordered some 45 MIG29Ks for vicki & vikrant and owr pilots are in process of training for it at owr Goa base & USA + we are already in possesion of aircraft carrier and its maintainence for almosst 50 years and dont worry if ever china tries to be agressive in indian ocean we have the islands of andaman and nickobar which are onli 500 KMs from mallaca straits and there are already a couple of squads of land based SU 30 MKI for your welcome while P8 anty sub planes and some ASW heli copters are there so dont worry about us worry about the japnese and koreans and now the vietnamese who are agressiveli builduing up there arsenell for your navy :pop:
 
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@Indian memebers please allow the moron with the shuttle bat to post one more than us in this thread during discussion, that guy will be happy and go to sleep thinking he has won his argument :lol:, stop replying him. Some people will never get satisfied even though they get their as$ whooped in every thread.
 
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you dont get my points dude

it is not the matter whether india can complete it

it is just a joke to have a huge 3/8 completion fanfare when the whole damn thing is just a huge ironing board and a hollow shell just like I used the JXXX @ post 261 also 268 to make my points

And the time of just completing 37.5% which is already many years in delay and the costs hugely over-run is making the whole scenario more awful

It is just the cheerleading mentalily so absent of maturity and critical thinking that I'm talking about

he he he he dont worry about the 37.5% part buddy we can take care of that and we have help of major international players in this field aswell if ever we have hiccups we have come this far the road ahead might be difficult but we are a resilient race and know very vell to take care of owrselfs in such times so dont worry and dont worry its not your tax payers money bieng used on indian navy its owr money and its up to us how to use it we are not asking for any financial aid or soft loans from china ;)
 
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he he he he dont worry about the 37.5% part buddy we can take care of that and we have help of major international players in this field aswell if ever we have hiccups we have come this far the road ahead might be difficult but we are a resilient race and know very vell to take care of owrselfs in such times so dont worry and dont worry its not your tax payers money bieng used on indian navy its owr money and its up to us how to use it we are not asking for any financial aid or soft loans from china ;)

Rupees down again @61.237 now @61.66 day low

Design from italy
Engines imported from usa
Radar imported from israel
Iron ores to make steel from where, Australia or Africa?
Reinforced steel for deck - Russia
Fighter jets - Russia
Arresters from Russia
Elevators from Russia
...
so 80~90% imports

Another toll on your CAD
 
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you dont get my points dude

it is not the matter whether india can complete it

it is just a joke to have a huge 3/8 completion fanfare when the whole damn thing is just a huge ironing board and a hollow shell just like I used the JXXX @ post 261 also 268 to make my points

And the time of just completing 37.5% which is already many years in delay and the costs hugely over-run is making the whole scenario more awful

It is just the cheerleading mentalily so absent of maturity and critical thinking that I'm talking about

It is a huge project and one Important milestone is achieved.

Everybody has their own way to celebrate the things. You can not dictate.

I have seen many Chinese members masturbating on PDF about Chinese MIRV, DF 21, Chinese BMD etc. though they do not have any credible news to support that. Why do not you give them this advise?

e.g

China's most powerful 'killer mace' can instantly destroy the United States
By Donald Hank
July 3, 2013

Instantly destroy the entire United States! China's latest killer mace weapon exposed. Recently, the British "Jane's Defense Weekly" cited an anonymous American source saying that the missile fired by the Chinese second artillery corps on July 24 is the most advanced Chinese missile thus far, the Dongfeng-41 [2] intercontinental ballistic missile. "This is the first time that an American official has confirmed the existence of this missile project." Of particular concern to the West is that the Dongfeng-41 could be put to use.

Recently, the British "Jane's Defense Weekly" reported a quote from an anonymous US official, who said that the chief concern of the West is the potential for the Dongfeng-41 to use multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) technology. This technology makes it possible not only to load multiple warheads onto a single missile but also to control individual flight trajectories for each individual warhead, controlling the orbit to attack different targets. In this way, each antimissile intercept missile can destroy only one warhead, rendering the antimissile system much less effective. An Asian military expert told the Jane's Weekly reporter that the Dongfeng-41 can carry up to 10 guided nuclear warheads, seriously compromising the reliability of the American antimissile system.

Actually, the Chinese People's Liberation Army's most powerful deterrent to the American military is still the intercontinental ballistic missile. If the Dongfeng-41 really completes its test launches, this will have three major implications: firstly, technically speaking, multiple warheads can largely ensure continuity of strike capability and breakthrough, and in particular, will greatly shift the balance against America's established antimissile system. Secondly, it will provide a powerful deterrent against the US military buildup in the Asia-Pacific region which is provoking a situation around China. Thirdly, the Dongfeng-41 features third generation ICBM characteristics, and has a formidable first wave strike capability. The West speculates that this may imply a change in China's "no first use of nuclear arms" commitment. In fact, this sort of ambiguous strategic thinking may be the biggest deterrent to hostile countries.

In terms of technology, the third generation ICBM can possibly control all strategic target threats on earth, enhancing global strike capability, but China's "no first use of nuclear weapons" commitment has not changed. China's ballistic missile development actually has no particular objective other than safeguarding China against any hostile forces that may provoke it. The "substantial nuclear arms reduction" announced between the United States and Russia is merely concept hype. This is because the "substantial reduction" is only a change in the state of the nuclear weapons and not their complete destruction. The USA and Russia have not yet destroyed nuclear warheads but have only gone from a state of high alert to a state of low alert. He [3] believes China is facing increasing nuclear threats and needs to perform limited development of third generation nuclear missiles if it wants to respond more efficiently to security challenges.

From the standpoint of both the trend in global political patterns and the surrounding strategic environment, the situation facing China is becoming increasingly complex and diverse. The South China Sea dispute, the Diaoyu Islands dispute, and the Taiwan problem are becoming very serious because of US involvement. From the looks of things, the South Sea problem and the Diaoyu Islands dispute could lead to an exchange of gunfire. The US is hemming in Chinese interests, and action will increase in the future. Further, China's strategic missile development has a deterrent effect on the US in terms of politics. In military terms, it is a very strong deterrent and this kind of strategic deterrent power is a strategic trump card which can effectively counter the U.S. in the political and military arena in terms of China containment and suppression.



Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ntly-destroy-united-states.html#ixzz2bq3ZICo0

Now go and tell them not to Fart. At least we are celebrating some thing we have seen and tangible. We do not Fart like you fart for DF 21 etc.

Apply same standard.
 
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Rupees down again @61.237 now @61.66 day low

Design from italy
Engines imported from usa
Radar imported from israel
Iron ores to make steel from where, Australia or Africa?
Reinforced steel for deck - Russia
Fighter jets - Russia
Arresters from Russia
Elevators from Russia
...
so 80~90% imports

Another toll on your CAD

so what ???:cheesy:

well is that the best you copuld come up with your AC was a junk ship and you bought it that way does it m,atters now :azn:

the point is vikrant and vikrmaditya along with virat will make indian navy invincible for china and its best friends & we already have the a big air base with couple of squads of SU 30 MKI at andaman & nicobar islands

as i said before its owr money and its owr choice we are not asking for your help or expert advice we can and have always managed owr own affairs

bring something new
 
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It is a huge project and one Important milestone is achieved.

Everybody has their own way to celebrate the things. You can not dictate.

I have seen many Chinese members masturbating on PDF about Chinese MIRV, DF 21, Chinese BMD etc. though they do not have any credible news to support that. Why do not you give them this advise?

e.g

China's most powerful 'killer mace' can instantly destroy the United States
By Donald Hank
July 3, 2013

Instantly destroy the entire United States! China's latest killer mace weapon exposed. Recently, the British "Jane's Defense Weekly" cited an anonymous American source saying that the missile fired by the Chinese second artillery corps on July 24 is the most advanced Chinese missile thus far, the Dongfeng-41 [2] intercontinental ballistic missile. "This is the first time that an American official has confirmed the existence of this missile project." Of particular concern to the West is that the Dongfeng-41 could be put to use.

Recently, the British "Jane's Defense Weekly" reported a quote from an anonymous US official, who said that the chief concern of the West is the potential for the Dongfeng-41 to use multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV) technology. This technology makes it possible not only to load multiple warheads onto a single missile but also to control individual flight trajectories for each individual warhead, controlling the orbit to attack different targets. In this way, each antimissile intercept missile can destroy only one warhead, rendering the antimissile system much less effective. An Asian military expert told the Jane's Weekly reporter that the Dongfeng-41 can carry up to 10 guided nuclear warheads, seriously compromising the reliability of the American antimissile system.

Actually, the Chinese People's Liberation Army's most powerful deterrent to the American military is still the intercontinental ballistic missile. If the Dongfeng-41 really completes its test launches, this will have three major implications: firstly, technically speaking, multiple warheads can largely ensure continuity of strike capability and breakthrough, and in particular, will greatly shift the balance against America's established antimissile system. Secondly, it will provide a powerful deterrent against the US military buildup in the Asia-Pacific region which is provoking a situation around China. Thirdly, the Dongfeng-41 features third generation ICBM characteristics, and has a formidable first wave strike capability. The West speculates that this may imply a change in China's "no first use of nuclear arms" commitment. In fact, this sort of ambiguous strategic thinking may be the biggest deterrent to hostile countries.

In terms of technology, the third generation ICBM can possibly control all strategic target threats on earth, enhancing global strike capability, but China's "no first use of nuclear weapons" commitment has not changed. China's ballistic missile development actually has no particular objective other than safeguarding China against any hostile forces that may provoke it. The "substantial nuclear arms reduction" announced between the United States and Russia is merely concept hype. This is because the "substantial reduction" is only a change in the state of the nuclear weapons and not their complete destruction. The USA and Russia have not yet destroyed nuclear warheads but have only gone from a state of high alert to a state of low alert. He [3] believes China is facing increasing nuclear threats and needs to perform limited development of third generation nuclear missiles if it wants to respond more efficiently to security challenges.

From the standpoint of both the trend in global political patterns and the surrounding strategic environment, the situation facing China is becoming increasingly complex and diverse. The South China Sea dispute, the Diaoyu Islands dispute, and the Taiwan problem are becoming very serious because of US involvement. From the looks of things, the South Sea problem and the Diaoyu Islands dispute could lead to an exchange of gunfire. The US is hemming in Chinese interests, and action will increase in the future. Further, China's strategic missile development has a deterrent effect on the US in terms of politics. In military terms, it is a very strong deterrent and this kind of strategic deterrent power is a strategic trump card which can effectively counter the U.S. in the political and military arena in terms of China containment and suppression.



Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...ntly-destroy-united-states.html#ixzz2bq3ZICo0

Now go and tell them not to Fart. At least we are celebrating some thing we have seen and tangible. We do not Fart like you fart for DF 21 etc.

Apply same standard.


you are unique in nonsensical celebrations

You are celebrating budget over-runs
You are celebrating project delays
You are celebrating nothing but a gigantic empty hull which is in the shape of a giant ironing board

Even North Koreans who are eager to launch dramatic project for a huge ego booster will never celebrate their missile when it was 3/8 completed

You set the new standard of cheerleading
 
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