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"India is the only country where Muslims exert influence without fear"

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From equating one example to the next.....what to say of any port in a storm . !! :cheesy:

Dude, you are the one who came up with the stupid example to begin with in your video...;) Be ready to take it if you want to dish it out...Though you can thank me for not answering your video with a video of my own :azn:
 
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spot on, this article is just not going to be popular among Pakistani's. They don't like people talking about there country or there religion, instead pakistanis would prefer meddling into entire world's matters. here are some known facts quoted by someone who actually hit the nail on the coffin of their bigotry.
1. America and Israel cannot be blamed for all the miseries of the Muslim world in general and Pakistan in particular. For a country that was hand in gloves with the Americans just until the early nineties, our youth has an amazing tendency to blame all national problems on American polices. Right winged politicians are always busy in concocting this feel good account that we are perfect, peace loving people who are being pushed to the brink of collapse by Zionist and Kaffirs (infidels).

2. We live in an amazing country in which supposedly educated people like Aamir Liaquat preach in their honey laden voice that Islam is the most peaceful religion in the world and then go on making hate speeches against Ahmadis. If you really want people to respect Islam, remove discriminatory and archaic laws like the blasphemy and Hudood Ordinance. Learned scholars like Ghamidi have elaborated numerous times that blasphemy law has no relevance in true Islamic jurisprudence (of course now he is hiding in Malaysia, scared for his life ─ a fantastic indicator of how we deal with diverse opinions).

3. Minorities are persecuted in the bastion of Islam that our mullahs have created. Somehow, we as a nation are steadfast in the belief that the state of Pakistan is benevolent towards its minorities. Talk about the persecution that these minorities face starting from the constitution to the school textbooks and people will label you as anti Pakistan.

4. Women can date and marry according to their own will and this includes your female relatives (the last part infuriates them like anything). Somehow the 20-something on a date does not believe that his sister has the same rights as him. And this logic extends to family elders as well because in their patriarchal minds, killing their daughter would not shame the family name in the same way as if the same daughter went out on a date or married according to her choice.

5. The army is as much to blame, if not more, as the politicians for the ills of the country. Although recent years have seen a slight change in the national mindset with the army getting a bit of stick as well but still, for a common man, the army is all about national honour and so on and so forth.

6. Honour definitely comes after nutrition on the list of necessities. We are a nation so obsessed with national honour and pride that we are blinded to the simple fact that countries dependent on foreign aid for their economic survival cannot show much spine despite their nuclear arsenal and Zaid Hamids.

7. Hate Zardari all you want but we are a corrupt nation to our core. Somehow in the perfect world created by Ansar Abbasi and Shahid Masood, we are so happy to externalise all of our flaws onto a single person and party, that we never want to face up to the bitter reality. We were corrupt a long time before Zardari and we will be corrupt a long time after him.

8. Our culture and traditions have much more in common with India, especially the northern India, than to the puritanical strain of Islam that has influenced us deeply for the last three decades. For some strange reason people are much happier in telling how their ancestors were Arabs rather than admitting that their forefathers never left the subcontinent and converted to Islam from some local religion. The ‘Allah Hafizians’ take particular exception to this.

9. Every individual and institution that talks about plurality, regional peace, women rights and secularism is not funded by the United States and does not have an ulterior motive. People like Marvi Sirmed and Dr Hoodbhoy are a classic example of this: despite of their intellectual soundness and rational arguments they are conspicuous punching bags for the defenders of national honour who incessantly label them as foreign spies and agents.

10. Theocracy is nothing but a tyrannical rule of the clergy and the only system of governance for modern nation states is democracy, superiority of constitution and dichotomy of power amongst various pillars of the state. This again irritates the ‘Allah Hafizians’, Napoleon Guls and Ali Azmats who want to rid the world of democratic evils and establish an international caliphate.
 
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An interesting interview with Tarek Fatah.

I would not call it "interesting" ....more amusing then anything else.


I'm relieved all my impressions turned out to be realistic — India is the only country offering a future in terms of what the nation state would be and how to accommodate languages, races and religions with all the difficulties that go with that. As a Muslim, i found it fascinating that this is the only place in the world where Muslims exert influence without fear. Muslims are better equipped in India than in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

I dont think our "muslim secular reformist liberal" has come across the Sachar Committee Report.

1. the Committee has found that the rate among Muslims is very much below than the national average. The gap between Muslims and the general average is greater in urban areas and women.
2.The average amount of bank loan disbursed to the Muslims is 2/3 of the amount disbursed to other minorities. In some cases it is half. The Reserve Bank of India’s efforts to extend banking and credit facilities under the Prime Minister’s 15-point programme of 1983 has mainly benefited other minorities marginalizing Muslims.
3.Substantially larger proportion of the Muslim households in urban areas are in the less than Rs.500 expenditure bracket.
4.The presence of Muslims has been found to be only 3% in the IAS, 1.8% in the IFS and 4% in the IPS.
5.Muslim community has a representation of only 4.5% in Indian Railways while 98.7% of them are positioned at lower levels. Representation of Muslims is very low in the Universities and in Banks. Their share in police constables is only 6%, in health 4.4%, in transport 6.5%.
6.Most of the variables indicate that Muslim-OBCs are significantly deprived in comparison to Hindu-OBCs. The work participation rate (WPR) shows the presence of a sharp difference between Hindu-OBCs (67%) and the Muslims. The share of Muslim-OBCs in government/ PSU jobs is much lower than Hindu-OBCs.
Sachar Committee Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I think they're puzzled. I felt the vast majority of Indian Muslims are open to the idea of a separation of religion and state. They've rejected Islamic states, voting to stay here — however, there is no leadership in the Muslim community that says, 'Not in my name'. I talked to prominent Muslims who said, "You're not going to make me deal with issues as a Muslim. I am an Indian. " But i feel they are abdicating the responsibi-lity they have, as the only Muslims with the freedom to stand up against those who wish to take this freedom away.

Well its pretty obvious that indian muslims are going to be more "pro indian" then "pro religion" otherwise they would have moved to pakistan....... if can use that sweeping generalization without sounding like that indian muslims are not true muslims.
Indian muslims believed that the indian state would remain free of religion but with the rise of hindu parties ,the fear of the muslims that india would be dominated by hindus and that we would be sent down the social-economic indicators turned out to be true.


Unfortunately, the liberal Left, including socialist parties in America and India, doesn't admit they don't have it right. But they're making an error in thinking Islamo-fascism is linked with economic deprivation. Such thinkers should go on a sabbatical to Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Aligarh — they'd be in for the shock of their lives.

Of course it has nothing to do with pakistan feeling threatened by india or the afghans going through decades of war from being trained and funded by the US to now being a foe.

Was going to go through each point you highlighted but the obvious flaws in the great "muslim secular reformist liberal" article are there to be seen by anybody without an agenda.
 
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Dude, you are the one who came up with the stupid example to begin with in your video...;) Be ready to take it if you want to dish it out...Though you can thank me for not answering your video with a video of my own :azn:

Mate you were out of line comparing the damn cow with Koran...hence the rebuttal how some don't see the animal as you make it out.....on the contrary i don't need to remind you how in high regards the Muslims hold the Koran. !!
 
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Mate you were out of line comparing the damn cow with Koran...hence the rebuttal how some don't see the animal as you make it out.....on the contrary i don't need to remind you how in high regards the Muslims hold the Koran. !!

Why do you think I was out of line comparing a book with a symbol of Hindu faith. For a Hindu, Koran has zero value.. Just like for a Muslim, cow is simply food and nothing else.

If muslims can hold koran (i could have used the word damn here but refuse to fall to your level) in high esteem, Hindus can hold a cow in equally high esteem.

And just like you posted a video of a hindu slaughtering a cow, I can post a picture of a muslim using koran as a makeshift table for his snack of pork during his evening daru binge.. But that simply shows that there are people in each faith that do not respect the symbols of that faith. And trust me.. I was there when that photo was taken...
 
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Why do you think I was out of line comparing a book with a symbol of Hindu faith. For a Hindu, Koran has zero value.. Just like for a Muslim, cow is simply food and nothing else.

If muslims can hold koran (i could have used the word damn here but refuse to fall to your level) in high esteem, Hindus can hold a cow in equally high esteem.

And just like you posted a video of a hindu slaughtering a cow, I can post a picture of a muslim using koran as a makeshift table for his snack of pork during his evening daru binge.. But that simply shows that there are people in each faith that do not respect the symbols of that faith. And trust me.. I was there when that photo was taken...

And tht mean is a muslim? only a turd with zero iq would believe tht.. no "muslim" however bad he is would do tht... some non muslim fag probably would.
 
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Why do you think I was out of line comparing a book with a symbol of Hindu faith. For a Hindu, Koran has zero value.. Just like for a Muslim, cow is simply food and nothing else.

If muslims can hold koran (i could have used the word damn here but refuse to fall to your level) in high esteem, Hindus can hold a cow in equally high esteem.

And just like you posted a video of a hindu slaughtering a cow, I can post a picture of a muslim using koran as a makeshift table for his snack of pork during his evening daru binge.. But that simply shows that there are people in each faith that do not respect the symbols of that faith. And trust me.. I was there when that photo was taken...

It means that hindu faith gives more importance to a cow as compare to their holy books, Does that religion have any concept about a cow being a respectable animal for all human being or that respect is just limited to Hindu faith . does that mean that our faith for cow of being halal and a best animal to sacrifice must be seen as a unrespectable act in hindu community , we don't sacrifice cow un-necessarily it have some reasons , but your example of dis-respecting Quran is not a necessary act ,he is just doing it in hate, or considering himself a supremacist .
 
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when i read the topic i thought it would ahve some proves to support your arrgument....but tarik fateh ?? lol i am sure you didnt started this thread to have a healthy discussion but no you want to have a hot arrgument.
 
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Every one who criticises pakistan in anti pakistan and every one who critisizes something about islam is anti muslim

Just like Late Aniruddha Gyan Shikha (formerly Sheikh Anwar)

 
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