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Here is a small exercise you can do to figure this out for yourself:

Let me hazard a try :D

GDP of OIC countries vs. GDP of India

10,140,000,000,000 (PPP) for 57 countries vs 3,500,000,000,000 growing at a scorching 9.5% for a Single country. Not bad I guess

Per capita Income of OIC countries vs. Per capita Income of India

The comparison will depend on which country amongst the 57 countries

Natural resources of OIC countries vs. Natural resources of India

India doesnt have Oil,OIC countries dont have Iron ore. So ?

Land per capita of OIC countries vs. Land per capita of India

Total population of 1.45 billion (57 countries) vs 1.3 billion(1 country)

Shoreline of OIC countries vs. Shoreline of India

Can one OIC country dock its warship in another OIC country's shore
without the extensive permission from the other Govt.? For example can a Iranian warship dock with no prior permission in Jeddah ?

If the answer is "NO" this question is not worth replying.

Military power of just the top 10 OIC countries vs. Military power of India

Again will a UAE Mirage go to war with Australia for the sake of Indonesia ?. Any OIC country that has a Aircraft carrier or a SSBN ? Also we saw the OIC military power in full flow against Israel :lol:

Number of votes in the UN held by OIC countries vs. Number of votes in the UN held by India

How many OIC countries support Iran against 'infidel' US ? And any OIC country in the G4(countries that are next in line for the Permanent membership)

Added by me: Number of nuclear reactors in OIC countries vs India - :lol:

Added by me : Number of modern wars won by OIC countries vs number of wars won by India

Added by me: Number of free countries created by OIC vs created by India

And on and on and on...

Bring it on ! No body takes OIC seriously --- Not even the OIC member countries and you expect a non-Muslim majority country to take it seriously.Funny.
 
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Those numbers are GDP PPP (purchasing power parity)

For eg: In nominal terms Iran's GDP is just 326 Billion $

India's GDP PPP is ~4 Trillion $ :)


You can't compare India's nominal GDP vs other countries PPP GDP (if we add all those numbers it's almost equal to India's GDO

Turkey's GDP is around $800B. Forget about everything else, just add Indonesia, Iran and Turkey and you are already ahead of India in GDP terms. Please don't nitpick. The original point was that a newbie claimed India's GDP to be larger than that of the combined OICs. That, of course, is bull$hit.
 
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the question is how much unity the OIC have among themselves ??? by the way, we are friendly with all of them. is there any country which has more business with pakistan than us?? let techlahore enlightens us...
 
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Your information is incredibly wrong.

Turkey's GDP alone is about $1T.

Economy of Turkey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Iran's GDP is $827B.

Economy of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Saudi Arabia's is $592B

Economy of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Malaysia's is $381B

Economy of Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indonesia's is $932B

Economy of Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just add those numbers up and you are talking almost 4 times India's GDP.

Are you using GDP-PPP or GDP(Nominal)?

There are only 12 trillion dollar economies in the world by GDP(Nominal), so I presume you are using GDP-PPP for Turkey(Even by GDP-PPP measure, turkey is not a trillion dollar economy). By GDP-PPP measure India is 3.6 trillion dollar economy
 
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TechLahore said:
Turkey's GDP is around $800B. Forget about everything else, just add Indonesia, Iran and Turkey and you are already ahead of India in GDP terms. Please don't nitpick.

All your GDP numbers are in PPP (purchasing powerparity) terms

List of countries by GDP (PPP) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Turkey's GDP PPP is $880 (billion)
Indonesia $967
Iran $844

sum $2.7 (trillion)

Lest add Saudi Arabia to it, we get $3.2 (trillion)


India's GDP in PPP terms $3.7 (trillion)

(India's nominal GDP is $1.2 (trillion)


Clearly India GDP PPP is greater than the sum total GDPs of above the mention countries
 
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@TechLahore

you are wrong my friend;-
GDP(ppp)
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[2010] [2015(est.)]
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Turkey 956.576 1,243.328
Iran 830.715 1,040.058
Saudi Arabia 619.826 833.530
Malaysia 412.302 571.562
Indonesia 1,027.437 1,531.690
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total 3846.856 5220.168
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[2010] [2015]
india 4,001.103 6,384.601
 
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Let me hazard a try :D

10,140,000,000,000 (PPP) for 57 countries vs 3,500,000,000,000 for a Single country. Not bad I guess

It is only now that India is a single country. A more apt comparison instead of the 1 vs. 57 would be population. As you've pointed out, the population is roughly the same. So the OIC has more than 3 times the PPP than India, even as per your numbers... despite having roughly the same population!

The comparison will depend on which country amongst the 57 countries

Take an average. From the numbers you've given above and the population, the average OIC citizen would be more than 3 times better off.

India doesnt have Oil,OIC countries dont have Iron ore. So ?

I don't see the world going ga ga over India's Iron ore the way they do over the oil and gas reserves in muslim countries. On the subject of natural resources, don't chicken out with a subjective reply such as the above. Look at estimates of total natural resource value in India vs. those of the OIC countries.


Total population of 1.45 billion (57 countries) vs 1.3 billion(1 country)

Precisely. So even though India has roughly the same population, it's PPP is 1/3rd that of the OIC. And resources per capita are far lower. And non-PPP GDP is even lower. Oh well.

Can one OIC country dock its warship in another OIC country's shore
without the extensive permission from the other Govt.? For example can a Iranian warship dock with no prior permission in Jeddah ?

Many of them can. And are you bringing this up to cover yourself on the shoreline response? You didn't even understand the point them. The length of a shoreline is a national resource. It defines your access to the seas and the extent to which you can benefit from resources in the sea. It has nothing to do with Naval ships. Per capita, consider the amount of shoreline an average OIC citizen has access to vs. an Indian citizen.

As for the point regarding critical sea lanes, that too is a purely economic issue. It obviously has strategic dimensions, but from an economic standpoint it has massive ramifications. You know the Suez story and how France, UK and Israel bombed Egypt when they nationalized the Suez, right? They didn't do that because the Suez was meaningless to them.

If the answer is "NO" this question is not worth replying.

If you dispense with the emotion you might actually comprehend the point, but I guess that's a tall order.

Again will a UAE Mirage go to war with Australia for the sake of Indonesia ?. Any OIC country that has a Aircraft carrier or a SSBN ?

According to the Indian press, muslim countries have provided weapons, materiel and men to assist each other in times of war. You claim Jordanian F-104s and Iranian F-86s were used in war against you. As recently as the 90s, a US wargame scenario predicted Iran would join Pakistan if an Indo-Pak war escalated.

Indonesia has three helicopter carriers which are variously reported as in service or under construction.

-::[AIRCRAFT CARRIER INDONESIA]::-

Turkey will have its aircraft carrier deployed by 2013 and is also acquiring helicopter carriers

Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums - View Single Post - Greek / Turkish Aircraft Carriers!

On the subject of SSBNs, WHY? With MESMA AIP technology you can stay under water for very long periods of time, you don't need an SSBN to deploy nuclear weapons on the sub, so once again, why? Is this what you're hanging your hat on in this multifaceted comparison with OIC countries :-) Tsk tsk.

How many OIC countries support Iran against 'infidel' US ? And any OIC country in the G4(countries that are next in line for the Permanent membership)

G4 is a completely arbitrary tag. There is no defined process for UN SC reform, there is no agreed upon "next in line" set of countries, a single veto can kill all entrants. The UN doesn't have a formal agreed upon process to on-ramp the "G4". I have already posted an extensive set of links concerning both OIC and Arab League considerations as UNSC permanent members. The Arab League has achieved consensus on Egypt as a permanent member on behalf of the AL. The OIC has considered an organizational seat. You guys are so giddy about this UNSC thing that you've lost all context.

Show me a comprehensive plan for UN SC reform which has been agreed to. Then talk to me about being "next in line". Just because someone comes up with cute nomenclature and says some nice words on a sales trip, it doesn't mean a darned thing. When someone even agrees on an overall framework for reform - much less a defined plan - talk to me then. Until that time, it is all feel good nonsense.

Bring it on !

Yes, dazzle me with your obfuscation and side stepping!

As I expected, since you can't compete with the OIC numbers on any front, you are now bringing up muslim unity issues. Ok. Well, I guess the OIC is unified enough to condemn India repeatedly on the Kashmir issue, no? And this is despite India's protests - over and over again. They get ignored over and over again, and the OIC continues with the condemnations. If India didn't care about these, they would not take notice. But they do care, obviously. And continue with the diplomacy to try to somehow enter the OIC, if not as a member, then as an observer. And even on that front, the OIC has been united enough to disallow Indian even an Observer status despite the fact that India has been trying since the OIC Rabat conference!!
 
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@TechLahore

you are wrong my friend;-
GDP(ppp)
----------------
[2010] [2015(est.)]
--------------------------------------------
Turkey 956.576 1,243.328
Iran 830.715 1,040.058
Saudi Arabia 619.826 833.530
Malaysia 412.302 571.562
Indonesia 1,027.437 1,531.690
-------------------------------------------
total 3846.856 5220.168
-------------------------------------------

[2010] [2015]
india 4,001.103 6,384.601


Please learn to read. Go back and see what your countryman was claiming. He was claiming that India's GDP was larger than the entire OIC. That is a nonsensical claim.

The GDP (non PPP) comparisons will show the OIC countries in an even better light, but even with PPP comparisons India is far, far behind the OIC as a whole.
 
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yes.... OIC does entertain pakistan once in every five years

Geez. Don't you get tired of being wrong???

2010 OIC condemns Kashmir killings
http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/2010/Sep/17/oic-condemns-kashmir-killings-8.asp

2009 OIC appoints special envoy for Kashmir despite Indian protest
http://news.outlookindia.com/item.aspx?667112

2008 OIC Contact Group supports Kashmiri right of self determination
http://alaiwah.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/kashmir-right-of-self-determination-supported-by-oic/

2007 OIC Sec Gen reaffirms commitment to implement UN resolutions on Kashmir
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-163497903.html

2006 OIC Flays Delhi for harsh measures in Kashmir
http://www.kashmirobserver.net/inde...asures-in-kashmir&catid=4:world-news&Itemid=5

2005 OIC stresses early Kashmir solution
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?111193

OIC voices concern at Kashmir HR abuses -DAWN - Top Stories; 16
http://www.dawn.com/2004/06/16/top12.htm

So once again, you are WRONG about your "Every 5 years" comment. I wonder why you need to distort reality. Is that the only way you can feel better on this subject? Seriously. I am waiting for you to at least acknowledge that your comment was factually incorrect.
 
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Ok, now we have new accounts being created with 1 or 2 posts each - those too in this thread - solely for the purpose of trolling. If this continues I will ban trolls and their IP addresses. Keep it to the point and no need to reduce yourself to blabbering abuses and personal attacks if you don't have anything meaningful to respond with.
 
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Our president just came back from UAE how are we ignoring Islamic countries?


PRESIDENT&
 
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^^ Thanks for pointing that out. Have you noticed though that there is a minority of Indian members who have raised the point you are raising, that India is interested in muslim countries, it is not ignoring them etc. and the majority have just attacked the muslim countries and the organizations representing them. On this very thread, your countrymen have said that muslim countries "bark", they don't matter, they are not even as powerful as India when all 57 of them are put together, they are poorer than India and so on.

Forget about responding to the slander or showing it to be untrue, the macro impression all this outpouring of hatred gives is that the majority of Indian participants here dislike muslim countries and are prone to passing derogatory remarks about them. Now, the fact is that these remarks are untrue and are probably hurled as invective to cover other frustrations, but regardless, the response is quite acerbic to say the least.

It would do participants from muslim countries some good to review these responses and come to their own conclusions.
 
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^^ Thanks for pointing that out. Have you noticed though that there is a minority of Indian members who have raised the point you are raising, that India is interested in muslim countries, it is not ignoring them etc. and the majority have just attacked the muslim countries and the organizations representing them. On this very thread, your countrymen have said that muslim countries "bark", they don't matter, they are not even as powerful as India when all 57 of them are put together, they are poorer than India and so on.

Forget about responding to the slander or showing it to be untrue, the macro impression all this outpouring of hatred gives is that the majority of Indian participants here dislike muslim countries and are prone to passing derogatory remarks about them. Now, the fact is that these remarks are untrue and are probably hurled as invective to cover other frustrations, but regardless, the response is quite acerbic to say the least.

It would do participants from muslim countries some good to review these responses and come to their own conclusions.

dude, frankly..this is how u come to conclusions..... :undecided:

india dont hate muslim countries...if it does then its only and only pakistan and that for obvious reasons.

indians love Muslim countries and thats where they like to go for 1st choice...eg:- dubai, malasia, etc..... indians live and coexist with muclims...theres no reason they wud hate muslim culture and countries....

let not 1 speak for many..... :cheers:
 
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dude, frankly..this is how u come to conclusions..... :undecided:

india dont hate muslim countries...if it does then its only and only pakistan and that for obvious reasons.

indians love Muslim countries and thats where they like to go for 1st choice...eg:- dubai, malasia, etc..... indians live and coexist with muclims...theres no reason they wud hate muslim culture and countries....

let not 1 speak for many..... :cheers:

How do you explain the spontaneous outpouring of abuse and invective aimed at muslim countries here?
 
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