India has asked China to cease activities in Azad Kashmir: Jaitley

[INDIC]

Make us do that !

Depends which side is more yearning for that.

 

[historysheeter]

Keep focus on this thread please, we're talking about territorial contest...

oh yes, you were about to make an offer for somthing that is not for sale.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

oh yes, you were about to make an offer for somthing that is not for sale.

Talking sale is bit too soon, we haven't settle about the ownership...yet.

 

[newdelhinsa]

Good move, things should be in perspective before we ride their *** in future.

 

[historysheeter]

Talking sale is bit too soon, we haven't settle about the ownership...yet.

There is a saying india that roughly translates like - "possession is the fact, claim is false".
We can endlessly talk but fact remains that Aksai chin is with China and Arunachal is with India.
The fact also remains that Aruachal is with India since ages when modern national lines were not drawn while Aksai chin was grabbed by means of war and much later than UNO came into existence. Thats why world maps still show Aksai chin as part of India.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

There is a saying india that roughly translates like - "possession is the fact, claim is false". We can endlessly talk but fact remains that Aksai chin is with China and Arunachal is with India.
The fact also remains that Aruachal is with India since ages when modern national lines were not drawn while Aksai chin was grabbed by means of war and much later than UNO came into existence. Thats why world maps still show Aksai chin as part of India.

Indeed, possession is the fact, claim is false...you should know that chinese ultimately possesse what Arunachal people need the most for survive, you just falsely claim of this land. The fact is that Aruachal was drawn into India map by British and you guys are just taking Mc mahon line as for granted, KMT china has never recognized that nor communist China.

 

[INDIC]

Indeed, possession is the fact, claim is false...you should know that chinese ultimately possesse what Arunachal people need the most for survive, you just falsely claim of this land. The fact is that Aruachal was drawn into India map by British and you guys are just taking Mc mahon line as for granted, KMT china has never recognized that nor communist China.

Did KMT ever control entire China.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Did KMT ever control entire China.

No matter which party exercised the control partially or entire China, none of them agree with the Mc mahon line

 

[airmarshal]

Pakistan's Kashmir is not disputed, its India's occupied Kashmir that is disputed.

Part of Kashmir with Pakistan is happily living with us. We are not occupying them. Kashmir as a whole is disputed when it comes to resolution. By saying Pakistan is occupying Kashmir, India accepts Kashmir is a dispute. But when it comes to talking about Kashmir, the dispute, India runs away.

China’s Neighbors Quite Wary

If one look at this chart even 49% Pakistanis are concerned about territorial dispute with China!! @OrionHunter

51% are not concerned. No brainer.

 

[historysheeter]

Pakistan's Kashmir is not disputed, its India's occupied Kashmir that is disputed.

Part of Kashmir with Pakistan is happily living with us. We are not occupying them. Kashmir as a whole is disputed when it comes to resolution. By saying Pakistan is occupying Kashmir, India accepts Kashmir is a dispute. But when it comes to talking about Kashmir, the dispute, India runs away.



51% are not concerned. No brainer.

Azad Kashmir is a disputed territory as it was acceded to India by the ruler of Kashmir Maharaja Hari Singh but Pakistan occupied some of its area before the instrument of accession was signed. Pakistan hence is illegally occupying part of J&K.

The survey finding is about the apprehension of various nations about the outbreak of war between china and her neighbours. Pakistan has ceded territory to china without fighting, if chinese demand more territory she will yield further as Azad Kashmir is not her territory but illegally occupied Indian land.

No matter which party exercised the control partially or entire China, none of them agree with the Mc mahon line

So you agree the dispute is only about Mcmohan line.

 

[InvisbleSoldier]

India should leave Kashmir the better option, but then were bollywood movies will be made. Oh India, grow up. it has been more than 60 years.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

So you agree the dispute is only about Mcmohan line.

I agree with nothing, I simply state the fact, I will let Chinese official to deal with this border issues since they know better than me.

 

[historysheeter]

Indeed, possession is the fact, claim is false...you should know that chinese ultimately possesse what Arunachal people need the most for survive, you just falsely claim of this land. The fact is that Aruachal was drawn into India map by British and you guys are just taking Mc mahon line as for granted, KMT china has never recognized that nor communist China.

People of Arunachal have survived and thrived since ages without any requirement from their northern neighbour.
No point talking abt KMT or communist as china occupied Tibet by invasion an that too not long ago.

 

[Secur]

Pakistan has ceded territory to china without fighting

Are you conveying the message about the same pakistan which acceded territory to china without china moving a finger!?

The agreement resulted in China withdrawing from about 750 sq m of territory, and Pakistan withdrawing its claim to about 2,050 sq m of territory (which it had not in fact occupied or administered)-Sino-Pakistan Agreement

Professor M. Taylor Fravel of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) has written a definitive work on China's territorial disputes. In an outstandingly able survey, he provides, with copious references to Chinese sources, an overview that reveals China's outlook on the disputes. This is what this scholar of unimpeachable credentials has to say on what the China-Pakistan boundary agreement actually provides:

“China maintained control over more of the disputed territory, but the agreement overall was more favourable to Pakistan. China kept roughly 5,309 square kilometres it contested in the Shaksgam Valley. However, it transferred [ sic] control of some 1,942 square kilometres of territory in the Oprang Valley to Pakistan, which also maintained control over an additional 1,554 square kilometres of territory it already held. On balance, Pakistan seems to have gained more from the deal, as the final borderline followed closely the line of actual control advocated by Pakistan. China not only abandoned its claims to the Hunza, but Pakistan also received grazing areas in the Prang and Bund Darwaza valleys, the Kharachanai salt mine, and the town of Sokh Bulaq. In addition, Pakistan kept control over three-fourths of K2 as well as six of seven disputed mountain passes. Finally, Pakistan transferred no territory already under its control to China.” (Page 116; emphasis added, throughout.) It was instead China which “transferred control of some 1,942 square kilometres” to Pakistan. When will the half-a-century-old lie the country has been fed on be laid to rest?
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=20110408280708300.htm&date=fl2807/&prd=fline&

How do you accede an area whose defence doesn't fall under your actual control?

 

[Armstrong]

The agreement resulted in China withdrawing from about 750 sq m of territory, and Pakistan withdrawing its claim to about 2,050 sq m of territory (which it had not in fact occupied or administered)-Sino-Pakistan Agreement

How do you accede an area whose defence doesn't fall under your actual control?

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