India grounds entire Sukhoi-30 fleet

[rockstar08]

Well, it IS a 2-seater!

Dont sleep while sitting next to driver , rule 1 for driving

 

[Burhan Wani]

you can say what ever you want to dear, it you own will. But if you say so, i will have to point out that Su30 and F-16 are totally different category fighter planes and have different roles in there relative forces.

Please share their categorical differences. Never mind sir i am in a process of education that's why so curious about it.

 

[Arsalan]

Please share their categorical differences. Never mind sir i am in a process of education that's why so curious about it.

Su30 is a heavy twin engine, heavy, super maneuverable fighter aircraft. Can carry more weight, have more reach and bigger radar. Still it have a bigger RCS and is a bigger target to shoot at. The On Station times for both are different. Even though both are all weather day - night multi role fighters, there still are differences. Cannot and should not be compared on one-on-one basis. Su-30 is Russian's F-15, not an F-16!
One simple point is that you cannot compare the fighter planes on a vs B basis, this is now how it works. Two machines may have entirely different flight envelops and roles and may be very good at what they do still suk at the others job!

 

[Iggy]

Dont sleep while sitting next to driver , rule 1 for driving

Well he is sitting behind the driver so rule no.1 wont apply

 

[Burhan Wani]

Su30 is a heavy twin engine, heavy, super maneuverable fighter aircraft. Can carry more weight, have more reach and bigger radar. Still it have a bigger RCS and is a bigger target to shoot at. The On Station times for both are different. Even though both are all weather day - night multi role fighters, there still are differences. Cannot and should not be compared on one-on-one basis. Su-30 is Russian's F-15, not an F-16!
One simple point is that you cannot compare the fighter planes on a vs B basis, this is now how it works. Two machines may have entirely different flight envelops and roles and may be very good at what they do still suk at the others job!

Radar Cross section . Already we discuss about this topic in my engineering course work "RAdar and Navigation Aids" . But sir i don't think j10 is a good option as a future fighter of PAF.

 

[Harisudan]

Brilliant, lets send in the F-16s and harass Modi's jets across the border with short radar locks. With no frontline jets cleared to fly, he is down to fulcrums while Mirage-2k are undergoing upgrades.

Wah, Kya Baat hai sirji...??
Mig 29 UPGs vs F16??
Which one are u planning to send??Block 52 which accounts to 17 in official number or the block 15s??

 

[Harisudan]

This is the problem when you use a fighter not designed and made by yourself. I've saying for a long time, MKI is not a matured platform when Russia delivered it to IAF. The Russians deem it as a testbed at the first time. Now go for Russians and ask for anwsers. JF17 in the other way is a highly matured and stable fighters that MKI is gonna get there. Sometimes Indians can't understand a simple reason for many years. When you face PLAAF and PAF, you are dead.

And I'm so glad that, a Chinese fanboy like you understands our defence needs better than our planners..Now will u pls go away taking your JF17 crap and its maturity until you have something else to contribute here..Shoooooo!!!!!!!!!!
I mean for Christ's sake, how can you even compare the maturity of JF17 with MKI??Jesus man u guys sure bring it up..

Am going to have to ask you bluntly here...

Are you just simply dense or are you deliberately being a d!ckhead about this ? Grounding the entire fleet is a legitimate safety concern that insults no one. At least until the mishap investigation is over.

Let us say that the investigation found there is a component that fails after X flight hours. Grounding the entire fleet before the investigation is done was a wise move because now we found out some fighters with these components with a certain serial number sequence manufactured in a certain year from a certain supplier could have crashed and killed a few pilots.

What if it is pilot error ? Then grounding the entire fleet is still a wise move because now the IAF can investigate its training program to see if that is the cause of the pilot error.

What if it is maintenance related ? Grounding the entire fleet is still a wise move. What if the jet that crashed had its air data system calibrated by a certain air data tester that missed its PMEL date ? Grounding the entire fleet will enable the IAF to investigate how many jets were calibrated by that tester. May be it was just one, or may be it was five or even an entire squadron. Do you know what is PMEL ? How about Precision Measurement Equipment Lab ? Every modern military have them. Every test equipment must go thru them and be recertified annually.

Do you understand now ?

You picked a forum handle that have 'engineer' and that implied you to be an exception to the rest of the population. Someone who is supposed to have logical and deductive thinking process, and patience as well. Am not seeing any of those attributes.

Dude, are you kidding me??who are you educate such knowledgeable crowd??You are going to get us rear banned here..

 

[Harisudan]

Who are you tell me that? What can you possibly do, other than cry/whine/bark TTA this TTA that.

Ya, ya how can he tell you that??Is he the one who framed rules of behaviour in PDF??The rule makers are all enjoying the trollfest..then who is he to tell anthing??

 

[gslv mk3]

What can I do

Keep embarrassing yourself.

 

[Arsalan]

Radar Cross section . Already we discuss about this topic in my engineering course work "RAdar and Navigation Aids" . But sir i don't think j10 is a good option as a future fighter of PAF.

Where did J10 jumped in?
But yes, we wont be going for J10 or FC20 by the looks of it. for PAF focus seem to be in further enhancing JF-17 capabilities, Blk 3 and any developments after that will see JF17 brought to a new level but this is provided our economy allows that at that time. After JF17 PAF most likely will jump to 5th generation options, again, most likely to come from China.

 

[Burhan Wani]

Where did J10 jiumped in?
But yes, we wont be going for J10 or FC20 by the looks of it. for PAF focus seem to be in further enhancing JF-17 capabilities, Blk 3 and any developments after that will see JF17 brought to a new level but this is provided our economy allows that at that time. After JF17 PAF most likely will jump to 5th generation options, again, most likely to come from China.

Sir i compared J10 because same engines are used in both aircrafts. J10 and MKI. Saturn AL-31 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bilal.]

Wah, Kya Baat hai sirji...??
Mig 29 UPGs vs F16??
Which one are u planning to send??Block 52 which accounts to 17 in official number or the block 15s??

Mig-29UPG program is not competed yet or am I wrong? While all older block F-16s (except the ones acquired recently from Jordan) have been MLUed with block 52 avionics.

 

[Riaz Hussain]

Dont sleep while sitting next to driver , rule 1 for driving

Lol.. SU-30 or rather indians generally prefer 2 seaters. Even the pak-fa Indians wanted 2 seaters. Do you know the real reason why?? Indians generally prefers 2 seaters because Indian courts have ruled that homo-faggotry is a "natural" practice. So when they are up there, the 2 men in the cock-pits ;DD can cork their cocks in the other's pit. Indians are so cool to have though of their faggotry needs even when flying a multi million dollar plane. hmmm..packing shit behind their wives back 30,000ft in the air..hmmm.. bhindia zindabad.

 

[Harisudan]

Mig-29UPG program is not competed yet or am I wrong? While all older block F-16s (except the ones acquired recently from Jordan) have been MLUed with block 52 avionics.

Care to Quote any official sources for the claim???
As far as the Lockheed martin website goes, the 17 airframes provided to Pakistan with Block 52 standards are the once that are upgraded in terms of avionics..The older Block 15s were Given MLU to enhance the Airframe life and Engine Life but it has nothing to do with avionics upgradation..

Lol.. SU-30 or rather indians generally prefer 2 seaters. Even the pak-fa Indians wanted 2 seaters. Do you know the real reason why?? Indians generally prefers 2 seaters because Indian courts have ruled that homo-faggotry is a "natural" practice. So when they are up there, the 2 men in the cock-pits ;DD can cork their cocks in the other's pit. Indians are so cool to have though of their faggotry needs even when flying a multi million dollar plane. hmmm..packing shit behind their wives back 30,000ft in the air..hmmm.. bhindia zindabad.

Wow!!!18 Negative ratings..Have some respect for the soldiers man..Indian or a Pakistani, a soldier is a soldier and he deserves respect for what he does..
If this is the way you respect soldiers, then pity on your country's education system that taught you respect and manners...

 

[Harisudan]

Mig-29UPG program is not competed yet or am I wrong? While all older block F-16s (except the ones acquired recently from Jordan) have been MLUed with block 52 avionics.

More than 40 Migs have been upgraded starting from the 3 we received from Russia directly in early 2012..Ever since that happened, the Migs have been upgraded in HAL facilities..