India 'concerned' over China running Gwadar port

[muse]

It is the same concern Pakistan has with India's presence in Afghanistan. Encirclement.

See, you could not offer anything - "concern" allow us to conclude "concerns" - you on the other hand, on the basis of bein "Honest" concluded that

Pakistan has leased it's land infifinetely to Chinese before and this is the same

.

 

[True pakistani 22]

agree in essence. but such bases on our land are much minuscule compared to what Americans have in UK, Germany, Japan, Philippines etc etc. we only had shamsi airbase leased to Americans and some remote airstrips for drone attacks.

this Gawader port is intended to be a commercial hub, see UAE for example they have lent their land to foreign companies to develop and do business no one is complaining.

yes during cold war we got more than we bargained for and we (Americans and Pakistanis mostly) paid dearly Saudis got off lightly they brutally crushed the Al Qaeda and it lost the appetite to try its Islam there so it went to countries with questionable leadership and confused population.

coming to current WoT, Pakistan was signatory to the UN resolution in fight against terrorism and so was India hence both allowed their air corridors to American planes to topple taliban. Pakistan being neighbor had to take the brunt of the war whether or not it had cooperated with America. people naturally escape from violence and seek refuge in safer locations. we never stopped Afghans back in the Soviet era so there was no chance we were going to do that this time we had more of our own IDP issue.

your last paragraph doesnt apply for Pakistan, it does for India though. our only issue is our unresolved disputes with India which compelled us to go nuclear and spend so much on defense. we dont have regional designs of power projection like India does.

of we are able to resolve our issues amicably then you will find our ports open for you as well as long as they are not meant to cause alarm to our neighbors in the West.


Indian Defense minister sees a problem although some Indian analysts might dismiss it. but then again things can change, there is Persian conflict brewing and there is Somalian piracy at hand so there might be a tentative development of a small naval force of China but it would never ever reach anywhere close to pose a challenge to Indian navy.

but if I was an Indian I would always have been wary of such post. your remote airbases in the central Asia are also a concern although they might not be Pakistan specific but there is no guarantee that placing them there had Pakistani targets in mind as well.

Irfan Bhai@ what do u think
kia Gwadar Project humeri Econ ko help kare Gaye

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Irfan Bhai@ what do u think
kia Gwadar Project humeri Econ ko help kare Gaye

yes

we get infrastructure . locals get jobs, the place will attract people from wide spectrum like technicians, professionals, laborers, that population will need transportation, housing, food, accommodation, clothing , recreation, schooling , hospitals

hence my dear anything a promising new town / city needs to start from sands and hills to a vibrant and alive city. look at the examples in UAE.

 

[True pakistani 22]

yes

we get infrastructure . locals get jobs, the place will attract people from wide spectrum like technicians, professionals, laborers, that population will need transportation, housing, food, accommodation, clothing , recreation, schooling , hospitals

hence my dear anything a promising new town / city needs to start from sands and hills to a vibrant and alive city. look at the examples in UAE.

i heard Gwadar port will be comparable to Dubia Port

 

[Irfan Baloch]

i heard Gwadar port will be comparable to Dubia Port

and thats where the Arabian angle also comes in the picture, they wont like the competition much. not saying that they will cause trouble in our area but surely they wont loose any sleep if someone else does it and their shop remains the only option for all the passing ships

 

[True pakistani 22]

and thats where the Arabian angle also comes in the picture, they wont like the competition much. not saying that they will cause trouble in our area but surely they wont loose any sleep if someone else does it and their shop remains the only option for all the passing ships

Hopefully Gwadar port help our econ like Dubia port help UAE Econ

 

[muse]

But a lot depends on the nature of Pakistani politics - if politicians conclude that they can use it as a cash cow, then forget about the kinds of benefits we would ideally have seen.

Friends, it's absolutely imperative that you understand that all of the problems of Pakistan are primarily due to the economy and the economy is the way it is because Pakistani politics is the way it is -- You can change this, if you keep waiting for the politicians, then you will be waiting even as you wither away becoming food for worms.

 

[jayron]

yes

we get infrastructure . locals get jobs, the place will attract people from wide spectrum like technicians, professionals, laborers, that population will need transportation, housing, food, accommodation, clothing , recreation, schooling , hospitals

hence my dear anything a promising new town / city needs to start from sands and hills to a vibrant and alive city. look at the examples in UAE.

That will be nice. But UAE did not handover their ports to foreigners.

 

[muse]

That will be nice. But UAE did not handover their ports to foreigners.

Is UAE Pakistan? and what's all this talk about handing over to foreigner, it is the management of the port that has been given to a Chinese company, how did we go from that FACT, to the hyperbole of "giving away" Gwadar to another country?

 

[jayron]

See, you could not offer anything - "concern" allow us to conclude "concerns" - you on the other hand, on the basis of bein "Honest" concluded that .

China offers Pakistan its weapons , Pakistan leases its land and doesn't mind its sovereignty undermined.It is pretty simple.
They did in Pak 0ccup1ed Kashmir.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/opinion/27iht-edharrison.html?_r=0

Next is Pakistani ports.

Is UAE Pakistan? and what's all this talk about handing over to foreigner, it is the management of the port that has been given to a Chinese company, how did we go from that FACT, to the hyperbole of "giving away" Gwadar to another country?

Is it a private enterprise with no connection to Chinese government? Are you sure about that?

 

[muse]

Well if it floats your boat, sure, buy into it.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Is UAE Pakistan? and what's all this talk about handing over to foreigner, it is the management of the port that has been given to a Chinese company, how did we go from that FACT, to the hyperbole of "giving away" Gwadar to another country?

the syndrome of Sui atukna


ker lo jo kerna

babu saab nay wohi raag alapna hay

 

[trident2010]

Chinese presence in Pakistan is concerning but not worrying. India has to see how China uses this port in the future. Of course US/EU/Japan also monitoring the situation closely. Hope Chinese presence stays economy motivated and thus Pakistan will reap the benefits otherwise it will create more trouble in the future.

 

[Paan Singh]

I dont bet on anything until 2014.Use of gwadar depends on U.S policy in afghanistan and how much control they will have?
so wait for 2014,if U.S stays there with even few force then forget the use of gwadar whether china runs it or japan or europe.

As per india,gwadar is of no use as we have invested in iranian port so nthng worry for india.

Minister was just asked and he gave his opinion like he usually says about chinese investment in sri lanka even.

 

[Sugarcane]

That will be nice. But UAE did not handover their ports to foreigners.

Here are top 3 port operators

PSA - Operate ports in Argentina, Belgium, China, India, Italay, Japan, Korea, Netherlands, Panama, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Thailand, Turkey, United Kingdom, Vietnam

HPH - Operate ports in Argentina, Australia, Bahamas, Belgium, Egypt, Germany, Hong Kong, Indonesia, Italy, Korea, Malaysia, United Kingdom

DPW - Operate ports in all continents (including india)