India, China's rivalry and a tale of two ports

[satishkumarcsc]

Well i thought this was about business assertion of both the countries....but this thread has been turned into a pissing contest.

I dont think that any of the two ports are going to be used as a refuelling point or resupply point for any warship as IMR forbids it. It is still the dedcision of Iran or Pakistan to grand the ships parking space there.

But there is one big advantage for China and India...

India...Access to CAR bypassing Pakistan

China...Access to Oil and Energy resources bypassing IOR

See these ports have been built by the respective countries with a lot on their mind...So I think this was the primary reason why the two ports were built.

 

[peaceful]

They have Nukes for security from external threats and security from internal threats you can not provide.

China's rise brings technologies, investment, job opportunities, all these contribute to the internal stability and development.
Maybe it is not considered as a part of "security" in india? that is probably why india is not good at development.

how about focus more on your own mess back at home? removing the Singh regime sounds a good thing to do.

 

[Marwari]

Its the other way around. Look here at Pakistan Defence Forum, more Indian members than Pakistani members.

How many Pakistani members join Indian forums? 20. max.

I beg to differ.. more than half of all threads about India are started by a pakstani. Shows your inferiority complex

 

[peaceful]

Well i thought this was about business assertion of both the countries....but this thread has been turned into a pissing contest.

I dont think that any of the two ports are going to be used as a refuelling point or resupply point for any warship as IMR forbids it. It is still the dedcision of Iran or Pakistan to grand the ships parking space there.

But there is one big advantage for China and India...

India...Access to CAR bypassing Pakistan

China...Access to Oil and Energy resources bypassing IOR

See these ports have been built by the respective countries with a lot on their mind...So I think this was the primary reason why the two ports were built.

how much influence india can have on Iran?

just some quick friendly reminder:

1. China provides Iran weapons. We recently licensed C-704 missile to Iran. We can transfer the blue print of Type-99 tank, JH-7A/J-10 when necessary. Whether india can match it?

2. China can block all UNSC resolution against Iran when necessary. Whether india can match it?

3. China can effectively provide almost unlimited funding and project management expertise on these infrastructure projects. Whether india can match it?

at the end of day, india can be Iran's customer, but Iran will be our friend.

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I beg to differ.. more than half of all threads about India are started by a pakstani. Shows your inferiority complex

almost all China vs india threads are started with a big mouth media report from the indian side.

you can't see the problem?

 

[ares]

China's rise brings technologies, investment, job opportunities, all these contribute to the internal stability and development.
Maybe it is not considered as a part of "security" in india? that is probably why india is not good at development.

how about focus more on your own mess back at home? removing the Singh regime sounds a good thing to do.

Guess then you guys are doing piss poor job providing security for your Pakistani friends because.

Their FDI is almost non existent.
Unemployment at its highest in several years.
and how many technology transfers does Pakistan receive from China in an year?

 

[Marwari]

how much influence india can have on Iran?

just some quick friendly reminder:

1. China provides Iran weapons. We recently licensed C-704 missile to Iran. We can transfer the blue print of Type-99 tank, JH-7A/J-10 when necessary. Whether india can match it?

2. China can block all UNSC resolution against Iran when necessary. Whether india can match it?

3. China can effectively provide almost unlimited funding and project management expertise on these infrastructure projects. Whether india can match it?

at the end of day, india can be Iran's customer, but Iran will be our friend.

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almost all China vs india threads are started with a big mouth media report from the indian side.

you can't see the problem?

I wasn't talking to you chini and no don't bring yourself in here. I can say the exact same thing about you guys

 

[satishkumarcsc]

China's rise brings technologies, investment, job opportunities, all these contribute to the internal stability and development.
Maybe it is not considered as a part of "security" in india? that is probably why india is not good at development.

how about focus more on your own mess back at home? removing the Singh regime sounds a good thing to do.

Yep I don't argue with that...but China also brings it's own workers. So there is no particular development forr the local people who are already the natives to the particular region. The Rich get richer and the poor arent given any oppurtunities in their own land.

That is why Foxconn Chennai division is yet to take off in the planned scale. The government rule here states that except for the management hiring must be predominantly local and the Chinese bosses cannot pay as much as the local workers demand.

India is secure for most of it's parts except for the underdeveloped regions. This blame must be shared by both the locals and the rulers of the particular region. The central government is doing it's best inspite of the corrupt politicians.

Removing Singh government will land you with a right wing BJP in power who wouldn't hesitate to assert themselves both in diplomacy or in the war front. Even though I hate the present regime...I just will go with the lesser evil.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I wasn't talking to you chini.

Stay classy guys.

 

[Omar1984]

I beg to differ.. more than half of all threads about India are started by a pakstani. Shows your inferiority complex

It shows your inferiority complex by trolling all over a Pakistan Defence Forum.

By the way, we Pakistanis dont want anything to do with India. Dont forget its us Pakistanis who broke away from you indians in 1947, not the other way around. If it wasn't for the Kashmir dispute, India would never come up in any of our discussions.

Now go troll in your bharat rakshak forums and make up your crazy wet-dream scenarios on how to take Pakistan while we Pakistanis and Chinese talk about the thousands of serious benefits of our partnership.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

how much influence india can have on Iran?

just some quick friendly reminder:

1. China provides Iran weapons. We recently licensed C-704 missile to Iran. We can transfer the blue print of Type-99 tank, JH-7A/J-10 when necessary. Whether india can match it?

2. China can block all UNSC resolution against Iran when necessary. Whether india can match it?

3. China can effectively provide almost unlimited funding and project management expertise on these infrastructure projects. Whether india can match it?

at the end of day, india can be Iran's customer, but Iran will be our friend.

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almost all China vs india threads are started with a big mouth media report from the indian side.

you can't see the problem?

What do you mean by that...why would China stop Iran? Chabar port is an alternativve port even for Iran. India is just building the port for access to CAR markets. Iran will get a lot of transit fee and hiring of the locals will give it an economic boost for the region. I dont think Iran will drive out India.

So if you supply weapons to them it means they will chase you out. Even Pakistan is a customer of US they buy F 16s fro the US and their frigates are also from US...so should they chase you people out of Gwadar if US asks?

 

[Omar1984]

how much influence india can have on Iran?

just some quick friendly reminder:

1. China provides Iran weapons. We recently licensed C-704 missile to Iran. We can transfer the blue print of Type-99 tank, JH-7A/J-10 when necessary. Whether india can match it?

2. China can block all UNSC resolution against Iran when necessary. Whether india can match it?

3. China can effectively provide almost unlimited funding and project management expertise on these infrastructure projects. Whether india can match it?

at the end of day, india can be Iran's customer, but Iran will be our friend.

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almost all China vs india threads are started with a big mouth media report from the indian side.

you can't see the problem?

Actually Iran's relationship with India is no where close to as strong as Pakistan's relationship with China.

India joined the west in sanctioning Iran. India voted against Iran in the International Atomic Energy Agency in 2005.

And this:

Iran's Khamenei urges Muslims to 'help' Kashmir - Economic Times

Iran's supreme leader backs Kashmir 'struggle' - Hindustan Times



India summons Iranian envoy over Kashmir remarks

Is that what you call friendly nations?

By the way, Thank You Iran for speaking up for Kashmir.

 

[CardSharp]

They have Nukes for security from external threats and security from internal threats you can not provide.

Nor does China wish to interfere with what happens inside of Pakistan. This is the difference, sovereignty isn't just something to pay lip-service to when it's convenient.

And if you are hoping for Pakistan to become a 'failed state' in the future, I'd suggest you be careful what you wish for.

 

[Kinetic]

What rivalry?
There is no comparison in any aspect between indian and China.

Inidan news intellectuals shall know Gawadar is in Pakistan not in China and so is Baluchistan.

More chinese than the chinese!!!! Another useless statement from BATMAN. lol

India's GDP is 11 times than that of Pakistan, so don't ever compare them!!!!!

 

[ares]

Nor does China wish to interfere with what happens inside of Pakistan. This is the difference, sovereignty isn't just something to pay lip-service to when it's convenient.

I thought you wanted to take care of their security needs??...right now biggest and as a matter of fact only threat to Pakistan's sovereignty is internal.

And if you are hoping for Pakistan to become a 'failed state' in the future, I'd suggest you be careful what you wish for.

They are already in top 10..and we had nothing to do with it.

 

[Omar1984]

More chinese than the chinese!!!! Another useless statement from BATMAN. lol

India's GDP is 11 times than that of Pakistan, so don't ever compare them!!!!!

What is the use of your GDP when it can not feed 421 MILLION poor Indians in India.