India, China's rivalry and a tale of two ports

[Vinod2070]

You're just stating the obvious, since we both understand the nature of Realpolitik.

What does India have in common with Russia? Do you think the skinheads in Moscow would care whether you guys are Indian/Middle Eastern/Central Asian?

At the time after our independence, it was "socialism" that was so dear to our leaders and the fact that USSR was considered anti colonialist and was supposed to be helping the newly independent former colonies.

That is when our relations were the strongest. Once we both broke free from socialism, the relations have become much more "realpolitik" based and on shared interests.

P.S. I try to avoid forums where Indians are mods. In BR for example, Chinese posters don't usually last more than a week before they are chased out. In D-F-I, the mods are actually the biggest China-bashers of them all.

Well, I can't speak of BR as I don't visit it.

has always had a strong Chinese presence. "Bashing" is both ways and there are quite a few very old Chinese members who have the open say on everything, including boasting of all their achievements and India's "non achievements".

 

[Swati Shukla]

How is Bharat a big player, Bharat is a failed state with 40% of the landmass under the control of the Naxals, the seven sisters of Assam almost independent with no central control, Kashmir in open revolt and 75% of the population of Bharat is living under $2 per day—50% of its survives on less than $1.25 per day. Bharat’s internal poverty line is Rs. 15 per day. Bharat is the hungriest nation in South Asia—according to the hunger Index. Slumdog Bharat was on display in all its horrid glory in front of the world during the CWG.

Aid to Bharat: Bharat is one of the largest recipients of aid in the world today and has always been the biggest loser in the world. Bharat is the largest recipient of aid from the UK (500 million Pound Sterling per annum). Japan is Bharat’s biggest donor. Bharat is one of the largest debtor nations on the planet with debt totally $250 Billion to $3 Trillion (public and private debt). Bharat has had a growth rate of 3%–derisively called the Hindu growth rate for fifty of the past sixty years—the last decade being an anomaly (rising tide lifts all boats). Nearly 40 percent of Indian homes, some 400 million people, do not have reliable electricity. Bharat has already fallen behind on its Power-for-All Plan, which would add 78,000 MW by 2012.

Bharat cannot bypass Afghanistan, Taliban control all the roads and they will blow up any bharati truck carrying goods

Dude, i really like u.. u r amazing.

 

[Vinod2070]

Well, I have always considered the OIC to be a very important international organization. We're talking about the countries, that live in one of the most resource-rich regions on Earth.

I wouldn't mind if China joined, though the SCO is good enough for now, and the EAC for later.

OIC is considered defunct even by all the Islamic members themselves. No good for anything other than issuing statements.

Has there been a single problem where they have taken any "action" to defuse the situation? Even intra Islamic and intra gulf issues are resolved by the outside kaffirs.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

At the time after our independence, it was "socialism" that was so dear to our leaders and the fact that USSR was considered anti colonialist and was supposed to be helping the newly independent former colonies.

The same would apply to China. We were socialist and anti-colonialist, and in fact we still are.

Yet during the Cold War, the USA and China joined together against the common threat of the USSR. Like you said, it is all Realpolitik.

As to your other comment, I tried posting for a while on Indian forums but I was quickly chased out. I prefer PDF, a place tolerant enough to let the majority of its members be Indians.

(In comparison, how many Chinese/Pakistani members does BR tolerate before they are booted out?)

 

[Vinod2070]

The same would apply to China. We were socialist and anti-colonialist, and in fact we still are.

Yet during the Cold War, the USA and China joined together against the common threat of the USSR. Like you said, it is all Realpolitik.

Yes, but realpolitik based friendship is more ephemeral. The ones based on shared values (and shared civilizational ties) are more stable and last longer.

There are example all around us.

As to your other comment, I tried posting for a while on Indian forums but I was quickly chased out. I prefer PDF, a place tolerant enough to let the majority of its members be Indians.

(In comparison, how many Chinese/Pakistani members does BR tolerate before they are booted out?)

BR is not a good example. They seem pretty clear about their target market segment.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Yes, but realpolitik based friendship is more ephemeral. The one based on shared values are more stable and last longer.

There are example all around us.

I would generally agree, but if you could provide some examples that would be great.

Although with the caveat, that "similarities" in culture/values can often lead to even greater conflict. Big examples would be the European powers attacking each other during WW1 and WW2, and the Sino-Japanese wars, despite a shared inherited Confucian cultural/value system.

About BR, maybe it's not the best example. But still, if I hate the flaming here, then I would be driven mad on a forum with Indian moderators.