India, Bangladesh in border clash

[Nafees]

From the Post of Indian Munda, he didn't raise any fingure over intellects of Bangaldeshi, instead he point out the conditions of Bangaldeshi Refugee inhabiting in India.




The name of the authors that you mentioned were transitioned to India during partition of 1947. And for god sake don't name them of having Bangaldeshi Origin, since before partition East Pakistan was part of India and all of them have Indian Identity.

If you are really so much jumping over the name of these authors regarding their origin, then why did goverance of Bangladesh expelled them from Bangaldesh on the pretext of having Indian Origin.



Pls point me out which personality of Bangaldeshi Origin are you talking about? since I have already prove them as of having Indian origin.

So why u Indian regard Sunita William as Indian? And u have supplied the vague and fabricated information regarding Bangladesh. When u post something be sure of the neutral source. So now then I'll not reply anything on ur post as those are fabricated.

 

[KENT]

So why u Indian regard Sunita William as Indian?

Glorifying the milstone achieved by the Sunita william doesn't mean we had regarded Sunita William as India.

And u have supplied the vague and fabricated information regarding Bangladesh.

Where did I provided Vague and fabricated information about Bangaldedsh?

Since I only highlighted what I used to see in our locality regarding the conditions of Bangaldeshi Infiltrators.

When u post something be sure of the neutral source.

Whatever I have return regarding massive presence of Bangladeshi refugee in India is my Eye-witnessing accounts, question of quoting neutral source doesn't even arise. If you really need some proof about Bangaldeshi Infiltrators then I gues you should accessbility of something called as a Google.

So now then I'll not reply anything on ur post as those are fabricated.

Now its upto you to decide or percieve, since if I follow your line of thaught then I can proclaim your posted article about Border clash as a Fake.

 

[IndianMunda]

This is an humiliating post that u send. May be u r not aware that how intelligent are Bangladeshis are? In West Bangal of India the cream people like Deshbondhu Chittaranjan Das, Amartya Sen, Sorojini Naidu, Manik Bondopaddhay, Buddhodeb Basu and so on..............that u will be tired to read are of Bangladeshi origin not Kolkat origin. So we are poor in economy but rich in brain that u feel proud now which are actually of Bangladeshi origin

Nafees Bhai,

I do not want to humiliate you. Bangladesh is our immediate neighbour and I as an Indian like to help her what ever way it is possible and never objected poor people from Bangladesh to come in India for jobs. Though political parties like siva sena always wanted to throw all bangladeshis out of India, still GoI restraint her self and given them space in India even as you know we have enough poor people to take care. Still if you feel this is humiliating, then its your problem and no one can solve this.

And what ever names you are taking these are Pure Indian hindu people and nothing have relationship to Bangladesh. This is pure delusion- A poorest country in world with greatest mind

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I am an Indian from East Bengal (now Bangaldesh).

It is true that there is a lot of illegal immigrants, but then it is the GoI which should take the blame as also the Communist govt of Bengal, who have been allowing it to increase its vote bank.

Now, the GoI is getting tough and it is case of bolting the stable doors after the horse has run.

Kent,

We maybe Indians, but can we forget our roots?

We will not barter our new life for the old, but that does not mean we spurn our roots. We are quite nostalgic about the same, if you don't mind!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The main reason for the separation was because of the language.

No. That is not the real reason.

The language issue started practically after independence and nothing serious happened even if simmering.

Language was the starter.

It was because the Bengalees were not allowed to form the govt even though they had a clear majority!

The democratic process was subverted to prevent the Bengalees from ruling Pakistan.

 

[Dhakaiya]

You Indians cannot shoot down a terrorist and you want to show your might on Bangladesh!

Strike Bangladesh and Bangladesh shall strike back- and our response shall be brutal. We may go down but we will take many of you Indians with us before we do. Besides you guys wouldn't last two hours against our Chinese allies

Bangladesh Zindabad.

 

[su-47]

You Indians cannot shoot down a terrorist and you want to show your might on Bangladesh!

Strike Bangladesh and Bangladesh shall strike back- and our response shall be brutal. We may go down but we will take many of you Indians with us before we do. Besides you guys wouldn't last two hours against our Chinese allies

Bangladesh Zindabad.

oh yeah and, china is going to waste the lives of their people for bangladesh and attack india!

 

[kaktaas]

Nafees Bhai,
Yaar why are you so angry with India? I think GOI is treating Bangladeshi infiltrators (60% Mumbai and Delhi footpath sleepers are Bangladeshi) very mildly this shows India’s attitude, though they are becoming security risk of India.

But I feel GoI should support in major way for Bangladesh development, some how GoI failed to do so and facing the heat of poverty from world’s poorest country.

what the hell u think abt ur country ..... ?

India is a rich country ???? ha ha ha ha .....so silly

just go and have a train journey from Calcutta to Chennai . u will see the real condition of ur country .... u will see thousands of people who r doing toilet beside the rail line. ha ha ha ...so nasty . u will find out what is the real economical situation of indian peoples. even they donno how to use sanitary toilet .

what do u think mumbay and delhi this two city's r real India? huh ....

dont forget u have 550 million people ...who still living under poverty line.


read carefully.....

, Bangladesh and India r running at the same speed economically . And Bangladesh will get rid of poverty before India. Bangladesh has 38% people who live under poverty line. it means , we have only 50 million people who lives under poverty line .... just look at u ... India has more than 550 million people who do not get food to eat , cloths to wear, medicine to cure .

550 million of Indian people lives under poverty line ...... at first feed them , than criticize abt other countries people.

and another thing , we Bangladeshi people r in far more better environment
than Indians.

do not ever try to prove India as a rich country . huh .... .just go and sell all ur modern weapons and feed ur hungry people .

 

[T-Rex]

what the hell u think abt ur country ..... ?

India is a rich country ???? ha ha ha ha .....so silly

just go and have a train journey from Calcutta to Chennai . u will see the real condition of ur country .... u will see thousands of people who r doing toilet beside the rail line. ha ha ha ...so nasty . u will find out what is the real economical situation of indian peoples. even they donno how to use sanitary toilet .

what do u think mumbay and delhi this two city's r real India? huh ....

dont forget u have 550 million people ...who still living under poverty line.


read carefully.....

, Bangladesh and India r running at the same speed economically . And Bangladesh will get rid of poverty before India. Bangladesh has 38% people who live under poverty line. it means , we have only 50 million people who lives under poverty line .... just look at u ... India has more than 550 million people who do not get food to eat , cloths to wear, medicine to cure .

550 million of Indian people lives under poverty line ...... at first feed them , than criticize abt other countries people.

and another thing , we Bangladeshi people r in far more better environment
than Indians.

do not ever try to prove India as a rich country . huh .... .just go and sell all ur modern weapons and feed ur hungry people .

No matter how logical you try to be you cannot convince the Indians on this forum. The Indians on this forum visit this forum with one purpose only and that is to confuse and propagate their lies.

 

[kaktaas]

No matter how logical you try to be you cannot convince the Indians on this forum. The Indians on this forum visit this forum with one purpose only and that is to confuse and propagate their lies.

yup .. u r right . but its our duty to set e mirror infront of them. thats how they can see their real situation before bothering others.

 

[kaktaas]

Living conditions of Indians

89 percent of rural households do not own telephones; 52 percent do not have any domestic power connection. There are daily power cuts even in the nation’s capital. The average brownout in India is three hours per day during non-monsoon months, 17 hours daily during the monsoon. The average village is 2 kilometers away from an all-weather road, and 20 percent of rural habitations have partial or no access to a safe drinking-water supply. [Tarun Khanna, Yale Center for the Study of Globalization]




India Inc. and Bollywood apply pandolsian gloss over their penury, hide the slums, cover the destitute and portray India as a modern state. Nothing could be farther than the truth. Mr. Paragh Khanna says that India has missed the boat of becoming a World Power soon, and China has left the penury stricken island of poverty in Asia (Bharat) in the dust. India is the poorest country in Asia, and the in terms of GNP, the poorest in South Asia. More than 150 million Dalits live is abject destituteness. India has more poor than Sub-Saharan Africa. She has more poor than any other country in the world. It will take more than three centuries to pull the poor out of a sub-human existance.

 

[kaktaas]

Some startling statistics have just been released by a forgotten wing of Dr Singh’s own administration, the National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganised Sector.

Around 80 per cent of India’s working population is in this sector. Nearly 80 per cent of this group earns less than 20 rupees a day and 85 per cent of this sub group is trapped in debt. By that usual sleight of hand we have drawn an arbitrary line to define poverty: Rs 12 a day constitutes the poverty line.

 

[Smooth Operator]

BANGLADESH-INDIA STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP: THE IMPERATIVES

by Dr. Subhash Kapila

Introductory Observations

Geography and history have destined Bangladesh and India to be neighbours and it is well said that while nations can choose their friends, nations cannot choose their neighbours.

Bangladesh’s political founding fathers and leaders and also Bangladesh military leaders, minus the component which continued with the Pakistan Army till their repatriation, willingly sought India’s military assistance in their war of liberation against Pakistan.

India too for political and strategic reasons responded magnificently to assist Bangladesh in their war of liberation with decisive results.

Bangladesh’s liberation leaders could have turned to China for assistance to free themselves from the Pakistan Army’s genocide. They did not do so conscious of the fact that China was Pakistan’s military ally and strategic patron and would therefore not assist. In fact China continued to refuse recognition of Bangladesh for a number of years in deference to Pakistan’s sensitivities.

Pakistan inflicted one of the worst ethnic genocides in the 20th century causing over a million deaths of innocent unarmed Bengalis. The Pakistan Army wiped out an entire generation of Bengali intellectuals who were a special target of Pakistan Army killings. China did not even raise a small finger to restrain the Pakistan Army from this ethnic genocide of Bengalis as it valued its strategic relationship with the Pakistan Army far more than the Bangladeshi war of liberation.

Bangladesh’s current strategic reliance on China (including a Bangladesh – China Defence Agreement) and its strategic convergence with Pakistan in relation to India, therefore makes strange reading today. Pakistan and China as foes which opposed Bangladesh’s war of liberation have become strategic partners and India as a strategic partner of Bangladesh’s liberation has been turned into a perceived foe by Bangladesh’s policy establishment till lately.

Bangladesh’s present governing establishment and the Bangladesh Army Chief have in the last year or so have sent positive signals that Bangladesh would like to see a new beginning in Bangladesh-India relations. The visit of Bangladesh Army Chief to India some time back needs to be welcomed.

More touching for Indians were the magnificent and touching tributes paid by the Bangladesh Army Chief and Bangladesh media on the recent death of Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw. It eloquently points out that despite political irritants, Bangladesh is no political ingratiate.

This year Bangladesh invited dozens of Indian war veterans who fought for Bangladesh liberation and were feted in Dhaka. This was again a fine gesture and well received by Indians.

The present juncture therefore seems to be an opportune time for India to initiate speedily a comprehensive package of Confidence Building Measures (CBMs) towards Bangladesh which finally could culminate in a Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership.

India’s policy establishment and its diplomats can be said to have failed in not being to effectively and firmly manage Bangladesh strategically to ensure that Pakistan and China did not exploit Bangladesh's insecurities at India's expense. More than Bangladesh, it is India’s strategic imperatives that now should impel India’s policy establishment to work towards forging a Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership.

India should forget the past mutual animosities and irritants that Pakistan and China fostered and look towards the future positively. Stacked against Pakistan and China’s game plans in Bangladesh are new strategic realities and which now operate in India’s favour in forging a substantive relationship with Bangladesh.

To reinforce the above assertions, this paper intends to examine the following salient aspects:

Bangladesh- India Strategic Partnership: The Geo-strategic, Geo-political and Geo-economic Imperatives
Bangladesh’s India-Specific Threat Perceptions Unfounded

South Asia’s New Strategic Realities: Imperatives for Change in Bangladesh Strategic Formulations
Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership: India’s Strategic, Political and Economic Initiatives
This Paper should not be misconstrued as a one-sided exposition of what India should do and as if to say nothing is recognized to be done by Bangladesh. Bangladesh to initiate mutual trust must firmly deal with anti-Indian elements operating from its territory.

If the stress is on what India must do, it is because there is a large onus on India as the predominant partner in a new venture of Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership.

Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership: The Geo-strategic, Geo-political and Geo-economic Imperatives

Geo-strategic imperatives that determine a Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership are the factors of the geographical location of both countries, the geographical configuration of both Bangladesh and India and how these both reinforce or negate the strategic asymmetry, especially in the case of Bangladesh. Also needs to be considered are the relative locations of India and Bangladesh and Bangladesh's relative location to Pakistan and China as the intrusive nations in Bangladesh Strategy.

In geographical terms, India’s geo-strategic importance lies in both regional and global terms. India’s geographical dominance of the Indian sub-continent is unquestioned. This geographical dominance in terms of size extends to Bangladesh also. Bangladesh has no intrinsic geo-strategic significance in global terms.

In terms of geographical configuration, India envelopes Bangladesh on three flanks with its fourth flank resting on the Bay of Bengal. This confers on India significant strategic advantages. In Bangladesh’s strategic perceptions this generates strategic uncertainties and strategic uncertaities. Ironically, for Pakistan and China, the geographical configuration of Bangladesh becomes an attractive strategic proposition to exploit Bangladesh as a spring board for their proxy wars against India and other destabilization activities..

Bangladesh could have emerged as a major strategic concern and threat for India had Bangladesh enjoyed geographical contiguity with India’s adversaries, namely China and India. Fortunately for India this is not so.

Geo-politically, it is a strategic imperative for India that Bangladesh as a densely populated Muslim country on India’s eastern flank is politically stable. Its instability creates turbulence in India's neighboring states. Bangladesh on the other hand, needs to perceive that a politically stable, democratic and secular gigantic India as a neighbor is a politico-strategic asset which needs to be assiduously cultivated for a comprehensive security support system for Bangladesh.

In a globalized economically inter-dependant world, this reality is more than applicable to both Bangladesh and India. Bangladesh can gain handsome economic gains if it economically plugs-in into the vibrant and sustained economic growth of India. Greater integration of Bangladesh economy with India could contribute in the long run to alleviation of Bangladesh’s unmanageable poverty and the social instability that is so attendant.

Bangladesh’s India-Specific Threat Perceptions Unfounded

Bangladesh’s India-specific threat perceptions have been in the last three decades or so been fostered significantly by China and Pakistan for their own strategic gains.

China and Pakistan perceive Bangladesh’s geographical configuration as an ideal base for their proxy wars and other destabilization activities against India. To ensure their strategic ends both China and Pakistan have preyed on Bangladesh’s perceived threat perceptions from India basically on the geographical and strategic asyinmetry.

In this process, Bangladesh seems to have ignored the following factors while arriving on its threat perceptions from India: (1) India has never militarily or economically threatened Bangladesh even despite transgressions by Bangladesh in hosting ISI, Chinese and anti-Indian insurgent groups (2) India’s borders with Bangladesh are manned by para-military forces and not the Indian Army (3) Indian Army deployments in the North East are China- specific and not aimed at Bangladesh (4) India has not hosted any anti-Bangladesh insurgent groups.

Against the above backdrop, the only conclusion that emerges is that Bangladesh’s threat perceptions arise from assessments of India’s “strategic capabilities” only and not much analysis has been done of India’s “strategic intentions”.

If India’s “strategic intentions” were not benign or Bangladesh-friendly, then India would never have militarily participated in Bangladesh's war of liberation. In India’s strategic vision in 1971 an independent Bangladesh freed from Pakistan’s adversarial linkages was perceived to emerge as a friendly and positive neighbor and contributing to overall stability of South Asia.. This is a truism that pervades today also.

South Asia’s New Strategic Realities: Imperatives for Change in Bangladesh Strategic Formulations

Bangladesh’s political and strategic policy establishments need to recognize the newly emerged strategic realities in South Asia which can be re-counted as follows: (1) India is on a upward strategic, political and economic trajectory and has strategically broken out of South Asian confines (2) India today is counted as an emerging global power in the making (3) Pakistan despite four wars it launched against India till 1999 has not been able to impede India’s strategic rise (4) Pakistan’s proxy war against India is no longer a military threat but only a military irritant (5) China’s strategic predominance in Asia or South Asia is no longer invincible (6) US-India Strategic Partnership is evolving into a significant strategic relationship which could impinge on Pakistani and Chinese strategic delinquencies in South Asia, more specially.

Bangladesh’s strategic deductions from the above should realistically arise as follows (1) Pakistan and China cannot provide countervailing power against India for Bangladesh (2) China never militarily intervened in Pakistan’s favour in its wars against India beyond verbal Chinese ultimatums (3) If China could not do it for Pakistan, how can Bangladesh ever hope that China will militarily intervene in Bangladesh’s favor against India.

Strategically the time has come for Bangladesh to review its strategic formulations and strategically invest in a workable Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership with a strategically solid neighbor than to rely on distant neighbours whose sole interest is not Bangladesh security but as to how to exploit Bangladesh against India.

Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership: India’s Strategic, Political and Economic Initiatives

Strategic initiatives have been deliberately placed at the head of India’s initiatives towards Bangladesh for the strong reason that like in the evolving US-India Strategic Partnership more speedy progress has been made in military-to-military contacts and strategic exchanges than in the political field.

Beginning with the earlier BJP Government’s enlargement of India’s strategic partnerships, this enlargement should now extend to Bangladesh and cover the entire gamut, namely (1) High-level military-to-military exchanges (2) Joint training and joint exercises (3) Goodwill naval visits and exercises (4) Intelligence liaison (5) Joint military adventure expeditions (6) Annual structured strategic dialogues. This list of initiatives can be enlarged in more innovative ways so as to build trust between the two armed forces.

Political initiatives are required to be taken by India on a major scale to remove the mutual distrust that has accumulated. Some major and dramatic initiatives that needs to be worked out are as follows: (1) Visits to Bangladesh by the Indian President and Prime Minister (2) High level political dialogues to find solutions to existing contentious issues (3) Annual structured political summits (4) Coordination of political action and support in international bodies (5) Scientific, technological and cultural exchanges (6) India should not demonstrate political bias towards any particular political dispensation in Bangladesh.

If India’s foreign policy establishment maintains in relation to Pakistan that India will deal with whosoever is in power than the same yardstick should apply to Bangladesh.

India also needs to mount a sustained and imaginative information campaign in Bangladesh to negate the anti-Indian and anti-Muslim propaganda launched by Bangladesh’s Islamist parties under prodding by Pakistani intelligence agencies. India also needs to expose the diabolical role of Pakistan's intelligence agencies and Islamist Parties to bring about the Talibanisation of Bangladesh to suit its strategic ends. Fortunately, the present Administration in Bangladesh has firmly dealt with the Talibanisation threat in Bangladesh including executions as a salutary measure.

After strategic initiatives, India should forcefully pursue economic initiatives with Bangladesh with twin strategic and political purposes. In this sphere this lead should be delegated by India to India’s captains of industry and businessmen and not left to unimaginative bureaucrats. A joint time-bound economic development plan needs to be worked out at the political level and execution out-sourced to Indian multi-nationals.

Priority areas for India’s economic initiatives should incorporate (1) Infrastructure development projects in Bangladesh with emphasis on East-West Highways and inland maritime services on the Brahmaputra especially (2) Indian investments in joint industrial projects with Bangladesh business people (3) Agro-tech industries development (4) Fisheries development (5) Upgrading Bangladesh's industrial and technical skills.

In short India’s economic initiatives should lay emphasis on economic projects which result in sizeable job-generation within Bangladesh, improve communications connectivity with India and bring about an overall growth in Bangladesh economy.

Bangladesh could earn a lot of royalties from India by permitting East-West Corridor Projects which could enable India to cut down traveling times to its North Eastern states. Bangladesh could also earn sizeable royalties from India from oil and gas pipelines that could traverse through its territory.

With job generation within Bangladesh and royalties would come economic security and prosperity in Bangladesh, alleviate poverty and contribute to social stability.

Here the call has to come from Bangladesh in terms of the extent of India’s economic involvement and integration with Bangladesh economy. India can be expected to be too ready to contribute to Bangladesh's economic development.

Concluding Observations

Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership is an idea and a strategic imperative whose time has come to implement by both countries.

In South Asia, in terms of relative stability Bangladesh offers more promise than Pakistan. Bangladesh therefore deserves a higher priority attention than Pakistan in terms of strategic and political effort by India's policy establishment, diplomats and the strategic community.

India’s efforts and initiatives to work towards a Bangladesh-India Strategic Partnership should not be allowed to be misread in Bangladesh as an Indian effort to convert Bangladesh into an Indian satellite State.

India’s political history of the last 60 years does not provide any indicators to such Indian inclinations anywhere in South Asia, least of all Bangladesh, where its war of liberation itself was a strategic partnership between Bangladesh liberation stalwarts and the Indian nation state.

(The author is an International Relations and Strategic Affairs analyst. He is the Consultant, Strategic Affairs with South Asia Analysis Group. Email:drsubhashkapila@yahoo.com

 

[MadDog]

Bangladesh has a great oppurtunity to improve its relations with china and pakistan at the same time

Chinese want to encircle india by creating pressure points on all sides of india by supporting pakistan, bangladesh and bhutan miliatarily. There are future possibilites that just like Gwadar naval base is being constructed for chinese, same would be the case for chittagong naval base. Bangladesh should also think of improving its airforce by purchasing J10s and Thunders from China and Pakistan.

 

[tyagi]

Bangladesh should also think of improving its airforce by purchasing J10s and Thunders from China and Pakistan.

And u r going to pay for the j10 .because i can't see Bangladesh paying for it