India and NSG-News, Updates and Discussions.

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Russia won't ever do that.. Russia is India's biggest defence partner & Russia had & will have so many deals to make nuclear reactor in India.. India is a major source of income for them

China is also a source of Income for Russia...Isn't it? Let see what comes next !!! Chinese are very good at diplomacy..

 

[zebra7]

Then why they try so hard not to let Pakistan in?

Denial Mode syndrome !!

 

[DrPuff]

China is also a source of Income for Russia...Isn't it? Let see what comes next !!! Chinese are very good at diplomacy..

Yup no doubt china has a very good diplomacy but China can't have any hand over Russia.. Russia acts as a sole... China can only control inky pinky..
Whoever posted about Russia whether in Indian websites or Pakistani websites both are fake.. It's just an assumption by media. Nobody comes up in public about that or wants to but it's obvious that Russia isn't one of those.....

 

[HariPrasad]

For the first time in more than a decade, India's quest for a place at the global high table faces a reversal of course. What amounts to an outright rejection of India's attempt to become a member of the Nuclear Suppliers Group or NSG requires us to stand back and question exactly how we are presenting ourself to the world - and whether our foreign policy priorities still make sense.

Let's be clear about one thing: the driving force behind the rejection of NSG membership for India was China. The People's Republic has sought to hide behind procedure, claiming that exceptions to outdated non-proliferation rules cannot be made for India. This is obviously hypocritical; China expects, for example, that any number of other international rules need to be bent to serve its own rise. Just look at its behaviour in the South China Sea, where it seems to expect that the law of the sea should not apply to its actions.

China's assertion on procedure amounts to an insistence that Pakistan should be considered for NSG membership at the same time as India. This is, for obvious reasons, farcical; no any objective consideration of the two countries' records on nuclear proliferation suggests they're comparable. Pakistan has been continually and consistently unreliable on it; India, whatever its past behaviour, has since the late 1990s tests, lived up to international non-proliferation commitments - even though it has signed no treaty compelling it to do so.

The takeaways from this NSG fiasco are two-fold.

The first is that China has now shown us its hand. More explicitly than ever before, it has told the world this: that it does not - and will not for the foreseeable future - allow India its natural space in the world. The leaders of the People's Republic do not intend to enable India's rise the way they expect and demand the rest of the globe support China's own rise.



India has long harboured a large constituency of people who believe that "non-alignment" between China and the US is in India's best interests. The NSG vote has clearly shown up the holes in this argument. What non-alignment is reasonable between China and the US when those two countries, through their behaviour, have shown what their own alignment towards India actually is?

Naturally, this is not an argument for not deepening and strengthening our ties with China. Creating a closer relationship with China is a necessary part of any effort to change minds in Beijing about how they should deal with India. (The same basic logic applies, of course, to our efforts to deepen and strengthen ties with Pakistan.)

But that does not mean that we can deny reality. And the reality is this: of the US and China, only one has committed to viewing India as a great world power, to detaching its association with Pakistan with its connection to India, and to giving India the place it deserves in global institutions. Indian foreign policy must reflect this difference, regardless of what Delhi's congenitally anti-American elites believe. In such a choice, where no balance is offered, no balance can be achieved. Let all talk of 21st-century non-alignment now end.

The second lesson is that India must make its vision of its own future clear. It needs to make explicitly what it expects and deserves: a global order that unequivocally recognises India's position as the world's fastest-growing large economy, the world's largest democracy - and soon its largest country, bar none.

This expectation is both just and realistic. China's peaceful rise is being accommodated by the post-World War II world arrangements. India's equally inevitable rise must be, too.

This might indeed require exceptions to long-standing rules or norms. It could indeed need global agreements to have conscious India exceptions. There is nothing to be ashamed of in this; it is merely realistic. This country is too large, and is changing too quickly, for things to be otherwise. And it is too large and too important for the worlds' future for denying exceptions to be morally defensible.

India's diplomacy needs to make this vision of our future as explicit as possible, given that it is both morally justified and necessary.

Yes, foreign policy under Narendra Modi has focused on raising India's profile. Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar has at various points laid out the argument that India must transition from being a "balancing" to being a "leading" power.

But there needs to be more coherent messaging. The NSG fiasco, which sets back this country's necessary campaign for a more just global order, certainly reveals that much. If it was unlikely that China would change its mind, then it is unclear why we pushed.

In 2008, when India was given access to certain NSG privileges, a big reason was because the American president could ask a favour of China's paramount leader. Perhaps President Obama did not want to ask with enough passion; perhaps he could not, given his lame-duck status; perhaps this paramount leader is less well disposed to his neighbours than 2008's. All of these should have been taken into consideration; were they? If so, what thinking underlay the decision to push through anyway? We deserve an answer. The government's desire for quick, positive headlines at home must not be allowed to obscure our larger aims.

And even after the decision to push at the NSG was taken, is this really the best outcome? To have states like Brazil and South Africa, nominally our partners in BRICS, nevertheless contribute to procedural objections to a discussion of the Indian exception? What should have been China vs the world turned into something far messier. That is a serious setback, and one that should not be minimised.

India's membership of the NSG on its own terms is not about the arcana of international law. It is not even about the nuclear trade. It is about creating, as smoothly as possible, a global order that recognises the place in the world that India will inevitably occupy. Our government's job is to guide the world to the recognition of this inevitability.

http://www.ndtv.com/opinion/in-nsg-fiasco-clear-lessons-for-india-on-handling-china-and-more-1423036

We can generate a very big support for NSG bid. China has a hegemonic design in the world and in the region. China has always tried to hurt and insult india. Modi has adopted a very correct tit for Tat policy. We have to loose nothing by not getting NSG membership where the countries like Newzealand and Switzerland are members. Let them be happy. We must pursue our act east policy more aggressively. We are all set to take a big jump from here. China is over its hump of economic development. their decline has already begun. Even today we are capable of protecting our own interest and cause concern for china. With our strategic and economical development, we shall have more cards to play. Modi has dismantlement string of perl very badly and almost humiliated china on diplomacy front. We have been able to challenge chinese hegemony in even south china sea.

What I want to say is that our foreign policy is in right direction. This is a very minor setback without any harm of any of our strategic interest. We must continue to strengthen ourselves. Whatever due is there will come automatically.

 

[SamantK]

Yes. Taking world climate hostage is not going to further Chinas evil designs being one of the top polluters in the world. Indias diplomacy is all over the place. On one hand they got an unbelievable victory of getting a nod from the US which is where they should have stopped instead of aiming for unrealistic goal of actually getting a consensus which includes a heavy weight NSG member China who will never ever let India get in there without Pakistan getting in even if its the only disagreeing vote. If India wants the NSG then it uses its diplomatic clout and lobby to get Pakistan in, if not then it should just lobby to get the rules changed of entry into the NSG. I am sure it would be more likely for a country of Indias stature to change the rules and make another institution follow what has happened to the UN and child murdering case by two countries.

At least we now know that China is happy with showing its hypocrisy of going against India on moral grounds of outdated NPT and against the fair practice of navigation in international seas.

Also, this is the first time that China has put its cards on the table, now they cant cry of India favoring the US camp.

That train, sir, has left the station.

 

[Nilgiri]

But unfortunately we've proven we can enjoyed a "cake walk" on the expense of our dear Indian friends

PS: i especially appreciated the friendly mentality that our Indian army boys have shown:
"Surrender with a big SMILE on their face" priceless

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathu_La_and_Cho_La_incidents

Don't forget that China tried to take Sikkim later and got crushed badly by India.

Its fun to have the last word dont you think?

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

1962 is indeed a glorious Chinese victory.

A glorious victory where China abandoned a region it claimed its territory as well as people inhabiting the claimed to be Chinese citizens into the hands of nation it claimed to be the evil "aggressor".

What more glory can a nation wish for with achievement of abandoning its own claimed citizens and claimed territory .

Not that its something new for the PLA, considering that in WW2 they abandonded Chinese people in the hands of Japanese, just to ensure KMT and Japanese fight each other and CCP emerges supreme.

The significance of 1962 has been permanent.
Its not at all affected by the fact when in 1975 India integrated Sikkim a territory claimed by Chinese and mighty PLA did not even dare a Skirmish for this.Guess Mao and Chou en Lai died heart broken witnessing this.

Forget Japan, they cant even take the PH and Viet occupied islands in SCS.

Not to mention, take over Taiwan.

Must be humiliating to have a Chinese province, despite being recognized worldwide as Chinese territory, having its own Govt,economy and military allied with China's enemies.

 

[grey boy 2]

Some say "A picture worth a thousand words"
Perhaps "A couple of video worth a FULL FACIAL" anyone?

 

[Nilgiri]

So far Russia has been the only country to offer commercial launches of satellites into orbits.

Russia will lose business to India.

WTH are you smoking? It must be good. Russia is not the "only" country that offers commercial launches of satellites to orbit.

Just check with the folks of the 2nd flag of your account....and there are many other providers beyond them too (France, US, Japan etc...)

Whats this got to do with the topic at hand anyway?

 

[Perpendicular]

A path forward for India to become NSG member by year end: US

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


Not so long fools. Its eventuality.

 

[SherDil]

 

[illusion8]

Its a bit strange that Indian media is targeting only China giving expression that only China is against Indian NSG membership...!

China desperately tried and did everything it could to delay and remove the discussion from the plenary. .The others were fence sitters and would have come around. .The chinese broke the meeting for 7 hrs so that the topic does not get discussed.

It's china that vetoes sanctions against lashkar and jaish terror groups. It's china that opposes India's position in the world.

The pakistani card in NSG was a joke, after that failed to deliver - the Chinese resorted to derailing the discussion.

 

[Nilgiri]

A path forward for India to become NSG member by year end: US

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst


Not so long fools. Its eventuality.

AFAIK Obama is not that interested in this NSG stuff for India (esp compared to Bush and Condee's role for Indo-US role esp getting HJ Tao to agree to waiver). It will be nice to be proven wrong however so lets wait and see. The US may have an NSG alternative organisation forming soon even.

 

[illusion8]

Then why they try so hard not to let Pakistan in?

Because Pakistan is a nuclear pariah, no country other than China will touch it with a barge pole after all the nuclear proliferation it has indulged in..


As for your - other countries, they would all have come around. It was China that desperately avoided the discussion to take place by delaying the proceedings, and not allowing the discussion to take place.

 

[Perpendicular]

AFAIK Obama is not that interested in this NSG stuff for India (esp compared to Bush and Condee's role for Indo-US role esp getting HJ Tao to agree to waiver). It will be nice to be proven wrong however so lets wait and see. The US may have an NSG alternative organisation forming soon even.

You might be right.
But what chinese do not understand is they might have done exactly what US wanted, make china look anti India. It is bound to have effect on Indo china bilateral relations as such. Chinese diplomats know this. CPC PLA might not.