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But unfortunately we've proven we can enjoyed a "cake walk" on the expense of our dear Indian friends :pleasantry:

PS: i especially appreciated the friendly mentality that our Indian army boys have shown:
"Surrender with a big SMILE on their face" priceless:china:
In 1960s, India never expected that China or any other country would attack India...At that time even if Nepal would have attacked us and won the was against India....

Now India expect...
 
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AFAIK Obama is not that interested in this NSG stuff for India (esp compared to Bush and Condee's role for Indo-US role esp getting HJ Tao to agree to waiver). It will be nice to be proven wrong however so lets wait and see. The US may have an NSG alternative organisation forming soon even.
True just like TPP for SCO. So it will be another cold war your block vs my block.
 
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US Senator praises NSG after India fails to get membership
Last month during a Congressional hearing, Markey had opposed India's NSG membership application.

A US Senator has praised the NSG for deciding against granting India membership of the grouping immediately, hours after the elite group’s plenary meeting ended in Seoul with no decision on India’s membership in face of strong China-led opposition.

“Today, the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) reaffirmed its strong support for the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) by refraining from admitting India,” Junior Democratic Senator from Massachusetts Edward Markey said in a statement.

The NSG was founded in response to India’s 1974 nuclear test and it has worked for decades to prevent the sharing of technology that could contribute to the further spread of nuclear weapons, he said on Friday.

“If India joined the Nuclear Supplier Group, it would be the only participating government in the organisation that was not a party to the NPT, weakening the NSG’s commitment to the treaty. By refraining from admitting India, the NSG strengthened both the treaty and the broader global nonproliferation regime,” Markey, a known India-basher, said.

As a member of the US House of Representative, Markey has unsuccessfully led effort to block passage of civil nuclear deal between India and the US. Last month during a Congressional hearing, Markey had opposed India’s NSG membership application.

The NSG on Friday ended its plenary meeting in Seoul with no decision on India’s membership.

“The NSG plenary in Seoul earlier in the day decided against granting India membership of the grouping immediately and said it will continue to have discussions on participation of countries which have not signed the Nuclear non-Proliferation Treaty,” External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Vikas Swarup said on Friday.

China, which had made no secret of its opposition, succeeded in scuttling India’s bid despite a significant majority backing the Indian case. Thirty-eight countries supported India, according to Indian officials.
 
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True but China had no bearing on MTCR decision.

"The NSG had discussions on the issue of 'Technical, Legal and Political Aspects of the Participation of non-NPT States in the NSG' and decided to continue its discussion."
So they did left some room to maneuver on "technical issues" which china made its base for opposition.
 
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But unfortunately we've proven we can enjoyed a "cake walk" on the expense of our dear Indian friends :pleasantry:

PS: i especially appreciated the friendly mentality that our Indian army boys have shown:
"Surrender with a big SMILE on their face" priceless:china:
China could not win against vietnam against India it will be a different thing. If china was so strong why would they prop up pakistan then. Fact is Nehru in his blind faith in chinese and non-violence had nearly disbanded the army. Subsequent encounters with Indian military has been not so encouraging for china.

Discuss the main topic instead of bellowing about the past.
In 1960s, India never expected that China or any other country would attack India...At that time even if Nepal would have attacked us and won the was against India....

Now India expect...
True, Nehru and menon are bunch of bozos as far as foreign policy were concerned. They were more concerned that military might undertake a coup hence cut down military's strength.
 
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Too bad for Fan boys who used to beat chest on Indian ''global influence'' and how World revolve around India :D

Its ironical that you have to mention global influence here

Since its the same global influence that got India 41 nations to support its NSG membership.
And the same global influence that got 2 nations to support Pakistan's NSG membership.

Thats 1:20 ration for Pakistan and India.

Awesome influence Pakistan :D
 
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Its ironical that you have to mention global influence here

Since its the same global influence that got India 41 nations to support its NSG membership.
And the same global influence that got 2 nations to support Pakistan's NSG membership.

Thats 1:20 ration for Pakistan and India.

Awesome influence Pakistan :D

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We don't beat chest on global influence crap.
We only show mid finger to haters when they claim that Pakistan is isolated in World.
Current NBG game was about Global Indian influence vs Pakistan global isolation.
And see, who got red patches in lower back?
Even Your close allay Russia (with whom you claim to have billions of $ of agreements) kicked your butt ........ :lol:

Its ironical that you have to mention global influence here

Since its the same global influence that got India 41 nations to support its NSG membership.
And the same global influence that got 2 nations to support Pakistan's NSG membership.

Thats 1:20 ration for Pakistan and India.

Awesome influence Pakistan :D
 
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If New Delhi has the balls, we should do the following.

1) De-recognise One China. Declare Tibet, inner Mongolia and Xinjiang as territories under occupation. Recognise Tibetan Government under exile as official Government of Tibet. Open Tibetan embassy. Open Taiwanese embassy.
2) Form a NATO like alliance with Japan, Australia and Vietnam as founding members with open agenda of containing China. Offer these nations nuclear umbrella against China. Open naval bases in Cam Rann Bay and Parcel and Spartley island.
3) Get out of Brics and all other nonsense organisations
4) Ban all electronics imports from China. If companies want to do business with the second largest electronics consumer in the world, they have to manufacture locally.
5) Start parallel nuclear commerce groups with the West, Japan and other nuclear tech/mineral rich economies.

UN is already an impotent group so nothing to gain there.
I AM IN FULL SUPPORT- WAY TO GO- To HELL WITH THE CHINESE
 
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We don't beat chest on global influence crap.
We only show mid finger to haters when they claim that Pakistan is isolated in World.
Current NBG game was about Global Indian influence vs Pakistan global isolation.
You made a cheesy attempt to mock India's global influence despite the obvious and now changing the topic.

And see, who got red patches in lower back?
If India's NSG membership being stalled is red patches in lower back, then India's NSG waiver must have been a new orifice torn off on the lower back for some :lol:

Even Your close allay Russia (with whom you claim to have billions of $ of agreements) kicked your butt ........ :lol:
And world is flat for Pakistanis. :D
 
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Hypocrisy? That word literally translates to say one thing and do another. Lets see. China told India that it will let it join the NSG and then when it came time at the table voted against it. No, that did not happen. In the other instance. One of the major rules of all countries currently participating in the NSG have a clear rule of is being a signatory of the NPT. The US being one of the main proposers of that rule. Today it was the one looking the other way of that said rule. That my kind sir is what Hypocrisy means. Now if someone was smart and see what the US did here it would be all but obvious. In the past when the US needed something to happen it would change the rules first and then it would be all legal. Pushing India to hit the rule wall was just more fuel to the conspiracy theorist.

Hypocrisy is also when the Chinese ask India to adhere to NPT but they themselves violated by helping Pakistan in nuclear know how.

And america making way for India to be in NSG isn't about hypocrisy, but about reality.

The fathers of nuclear stuff - UK,France,US,Germany and Russia-all have favored India's membership. If the world knows anything about nuclear stuff, it is because of these nations, and the ones who are objecting to India, are the ones who merely followed the foot steps of these nations.

When all the fathers of nuclear stuff are supporting India's membership, it is only a matter of time before India becomes a member of NSG, rest of the opposition are bunch of jokers (except china).

India has come a long way in scientific and technological growth, it will only keep moving forward from here. There are multi billion dollar worth industrial houses in India which are now capable of designing and manufacturing extremely complex sub systems for nuclear stuff. Pakistan is light years behind India in Industrial and scientific fields...

The west recognized India's growth in industrial and scientific fields, only then it realized that it was better to put India under NSG guidelines than to not, and hence the NSG waiver. The NSG waiver didn't come for free nor it was about giving exotic nuclear stuff to India, rather it was about to bring unrestricted India under restrictions and demand strict standards of control on stuff. By securing NSG waiver for India, the US ensured that potential new global power will be an ally for US in the future.

The US didn't bend the rules for India at NSG waiver, rather it was India's growth and rise in economic, scientific and industrial fields that changed the minds of policy makers in the west to make India it's ally.

If India was in Pakistan's position-- with no economic power, with almost non-existent scientific and technological sectors--Americans would have never bothered to offer NSG waiver to India. And that is why they are not offering any such sort of NSG waiver to Pakistan right now.

And the talk of "India and Pakistan becoming NSG members simultaneously" is a joke to begin with.... it is only a matter of time before India becomes member of NSG
 
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There is a big difference between China and CCP. Indians will do well to not confuse one for the other.

Most Chinese see India as a friend. They also see CCP as a slowly dying entity.

The CCP sees India's progress as an existential crisis as it invalidates their iron grip over the Chinese society.

This is fact. Don't believe the CCP bots here.

That is very cute. Did "most Chinese" just give you mandate to speak for them? :partay:
 
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Senator Markey has been a complete failure.
He opposed the India-US Nucear deal but failed miserably as majority of Congress cleared the deal.

In 2010 he also opposed sale of AH-64E to India and once again he failed as vast majority of Congress refused to back him in blocking the deal.

Then he also wanted US to block sale of certain componets used by India in aircrafts and satellites but DoD paid no attention to his requests.
 
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