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India aircraft carrier - Vikramaditya, 45400 tons

In these conditions I think Indian CBG has upper hand. Hands down.
Only 1 thing where china has upper hand I think it's SSN. They have larger & continuously evolving submarines. As time passes so does maturity. But in other fields India a certainly upper hand. Excluding last 50 years of CBG OPERATIONS.

In these conditions I think Indian CBG has upper hand. Hands down.
Only 1 thing where china has upper hand I think it's SSN. They have larger & continuously evolving submarines. As time passes so does maturity. But in other fields India a certainly upper hand. Excluding last 50 years of CBG OPERATIONS.
 
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Depends on the fighter on-board, systems, missile defence, life of the AC etc.

If i had a choice to choose from Varyag or Vikram from scrap , would definitly choose varyag for its sheer size.
 
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I think Vikramaditya is better due to russia technology.
Weight wise Varyag is way ahead.
But Fifth generation fighter such as PAKFA can't stand in Vikramaditya.
While fifth generation of Naval version can stand on Varyag easily.
Conclusion:
Varyug is winner!!
 
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Depends on the fighter on-board, systems, missile defence, life of the AC etc.

If i had a choice to choose from Varyag or Vikram from scrap , would definitely choose varyag for its sheer size.
Only size doesn't matters. It's technology & how you use it which matters. INS VIKRAMADITYA is much heavier than INS vikrant but still carries less no of jets. It's the design & structure of carrier which you can't change even china. You can only modify it. That is why INS VIKRAMADITYA & Chinese Varayag will have less capacity to take planes than originally designed carriers.
 
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I think Vikramaditya is better due to russia technology.
Weight wise Varyag is way ahead.
But Fifth generation fighter such as PAKFA can't stand in Vikramaditya.
While fifth generation of Naval version can stand on Varyag easily.

Conclusion:
Varyug is winner!!

what makes u say that???
 
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Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July

PIX-2-VIKRAMADITYA-PREPARING-TO-LEAVE-HARBOUR-FOR-SEA-TRIALS-600-x-375.jpg


Interestingly, the fighters involved will include a Russian MiG-29K and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

The trials of the Aviation Facilities Complex onboard the Admiral Gorshkov, part of the ongoing sea trials of the carrier, are set to begin next month. These trials will test and prove the operational status of the equipment crucial for aviation operations off the carrier.

Equipment and facilities like navigational and landing aids, directional and control systems, deck lighting, arresting gear system, restraining gear (which are the equivalent of hydraulic chocks before the nose wheel and one of the main wheels, imposed before take-off) will be tested in these trials, expected to be completed over a period of three months.


The trials will also include testing of the aircraft lifts, electrical and fuel supply lines as well as the armament lifts. Navigational data intended to be fed directly into aircraft onboard will be checked for integrity and consistence.

The sea trials of the Admiral Gorshkov began on June 8 and now the vessel will move from the White Sea to the Barents Sea for the scrutiny of the capability of the aviation element of the vessel. These trials will be held off Severomosk, close to Murmansk, primarily because the Barents Sea is not prone to freezing like the White Sea.

The trials of the aviation element at this stage are crucial because of the tight seasonal schedules. October onwards, daylight and visibility become problematic that far north.


PIX-3-VIKRAMADITYA-AT-ANCHOR-IN-THE-WHITE-SEA-600-x-429.jpg


Besides the independent stand-alone testing of these systems, there will be a gradual increase in the tempo and scale of the trials with aircraft conducting ‘Bolters’, or touch and go maneuvers, as confidence in the individual systems is increasingly assured.

One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.

Something else which will be tested to the limit is the carrier’s Optical Landing System or OLS, which will provide pilots the terminal guidance for landing on the carrier.

PIX-2-VIKRAMADITYA-PREPARING-TO-LEAVE-HARBOUR-FOR-SEA-TRIALS-600-x-375.jpg

Interestingly, the fighter aircraft involved in these trials will include one Russian MiG-29K (the surviving aircraft of two Russian, Low Series Production, or LSP aircraft) and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

Besides these, helicopter trials will also take place, involving choppers flying to various reference points around the carrier to pick up and check the signal strength of the radar and other sensors and systems that aircraft will need to rely on for operating off the carrier. The carrier is expected to accommodate more than 30 fighter aircraft, besides helicopters, once operational and commissioned into the Indian Navy.

Although there is a 10-15 member strong Indian Navy team participating and monitoring the trials, all aircraft will be flown by Russian test pilots. Besides these monitors, there are already around 500 Indian personnel onboard the carrier, which will be known as the INS Vikramaditya once it is commissioned into the Indian Navy. The commissioning, expected sometime in December, remains on schedule.

The Commanding Officer is Captain Suraj Berry, a specialist gunnery officer who commanded the frigate, INS Talwar, earlier, and was also Defense Attache to Sri Lanka. The CO of the aviation component is a former Sea Harrier pilot.

Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July | StratPost

Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July

PIX-2-VIKRAMADITYA-PREPARING-TO-LEAVE-HARBOUR-FOR-SEA-TRIALS-600-x-375.jpg


Interestingly, the fighters involved will include a Russian MiG-29K and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

The trials of the Aviation Facilities Complex onboard the Admiral Gorshkov, part of the ongoing sea trials of the carrier, are set to begin next month. These trials will test and prove the operational status of the equipment crucial for aviation operations off the carrier.

Equipment and facilities like navigational and landing aids, directional and control systems, deck lighting, arresting gear system, restraining gear (which are the equivalent of hydraulic chocks before the nose wheel and one of the main wheels, imposed before take-off) will be tested in these trials, expected to be completed over a period of three months.


The trials will also include testing of the aircraft lifts, electrical and fuel supply lines as well as the armament lifts. Navigational data intended to be fed directly into aircraft onboard will be checked for integrity and consistence.

The sea trials of the Admiral Gorshkov began on June 8 and now the vessel will move from the White Sea to the Barents Sea for the scrutiny of the capability of the aviation element of the vessel. These trials will be held off Severomosk, close to Murmansk, primarily because the Barents Sea is not prone to freezing like the White Sea.

The trials of the aviation element at this stage are crucial because of the tight seasonal schedules. October onwards, daylight and visibility become problematic that far north.


PIX-3-VIKRAMADITYA-AT-ANCHOR-IN-THE-WHITE-SEA-600-x-429.jpg


Besides the independent stand-alone testing of these systems, there will be a gradual increase in the tempo and scale of the trials with aircraft conducting ‘Bolters’, or touch and go maneuvers, as confidence in the individual systems is increasingly assured.

One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.

Something else which will be tested to the limit is the carrier’s Optical Landing System or OLS, which will provide pilots the terminal guidance for landing on the carrier.

PIX-2-VIKRAMADITYA-PREPARING-TO-LEAVE-HARBOUR-FOR-SEA-TRIALS-600-x-375.jpg

Interestingly, the fighter aircraft involved in these trials will include one Russian MiG-29K (the surviving aircraft of two Russian, Low Series Production, or LSP aircraft) and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

Besides these, helicopter trials will also take place, involving choppers flying to various reference points around the carrier to pick up and check the signal strength of the radar and other sensors and systems that aircraft will need to rely on for operating off the carrier. The carrier is expected to accommodate more than 30 fighter aircraft, besides helicopters, once operational and commissioned into the Indian Navy.

Although there is a 10-15 member strong Indian Navy team participating and monitoring the trials, all aircraft will be flown by Russian test pilots. Besides these monitors, there are already around 500 Indian personnel onboard the carrier, which will be known as the INS Vikramaditya once it is commissioned into the Indian Navy. The commissioning, expected sometime in December, remains on schedule.

The Commanding Officer is Captain Suraj Berry, a specialist gunnery officer who commanded the frigate, INS Talwar, earlier, and was also Defense Attache to Sri Lanka. The CO of the aviation component is a former Sea Harrier pilot.

Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July | StratPost
 
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I think Vikramaditya is better due to russia technology.
Weight wise Varyag is way ahead.
But Fifth generation fighter such as PAKFA can't stand in Vikramaditya.
While fifth generation of Naval version can stand on Varyag easily.
Conclusion:
Varyug is winner!!
It's not only Russian tech,IN(with Russia) has roped in all best available tech providers. If you can check,you will see the sheer no of supplier in this program.
Again I am saying that weight is not only everything. It matters but on some conditions.
& why can't a 5th gen aircraft take off from VIKRAMADITYA. F-35's 2nd & 3rd model can take off from it.
So assumption is wrong.
 
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what makes u say that???
PAKFA is very heavy and need more space, More weight of AC etc.
Look the Vikramaditya design, displacement, size. It is suitable for 4 and 4.5 generation.
It is basically designed for 4 and 4.5 generation fleet.
 
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what makes u say that???
Because if carrier is Chinese it can allow 5 gen jet while if it's Indian it can't take 5 gen jet.
Wrong assumption.

PAKFA is very heavy and need more space, More weight of AC etc.
Look the Vikramaditya design, displacement, size. It is suitable for 4 and 4.5 generation.
It is basically designed for 4 and 4.5 generation fleet.
F-35 is a 5th gen aircraft & it(B & C models with bit of modification) can take off from INS VIKRAMADITYA.
 
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PAKFA is very heavy and need more space, More weight of AC etc.
Look the Vikramaditya design, displacement, size. It is suitable for 4 and 4.5 generation.
It is basically designed for 4 and 4.5 generation fleet.

Don't worry...by the time Naval PAK FA is developed, we will have IAC 2 ready for IN
 
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Jealousy kills its beholders, please tell the world, what India has invented or contributed to the world in its entire "history".

If i start opening a thread on what India invented in its entire history then the MODS would have to make a sticky thread.

Differences apart China and India are the two oldest and greatest civilisation alive today..Can you tell me something which Pakistanis have invented..I mean i am talking about Pakistanis not Arabs.
 
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PAKFA is very heavy and need more space, More weight of AC etc.
Look the Vikramaditya design, displacement, size. It is suitable for 4 and 4.5 generation.
It is basically designed for 4 and 4.5 generation fleet.

pak fa is not designed for air craft carrier.if needed,Russia can built a naval version of that(though highly improbable).we'll use AMCA for carrier borne operation.
 
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pak fa is not designed for air craft carrier.if needed,Russia can built a naval version of that(though highly improbable).we'll use AMCA for carrier borne operation.

U don't just land a fighter on the deck of the carrier.. it has to be designed that way.. He clearly has no idea what he is talking about. His innate ability for cheer leading has got the better of him :lol:
 
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PAKFA is very heavy and need more space, More weight of AC etc.
Look the Vikramaditya design, displacement, size. It is suitable for 4 and 4.5 generation.
It is basically designed for 4 and 4.5 generation fleet.

till the time PAKFA comes, we will have our 3rd carrier IAC2 and PAKFA will be stationed on it. Or on IAC1
 
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PAKFA is very heavy and need more space, More weight of AC etc.
Look the Vikramaditya design, displacement, size. It is suitable for 4 and 4.5 generation.
It is basically designed for 4 and 4.5 generation fleet.

Hahaaha so unpeaceful of you. Can you name any fifth generation plane that has Naval version yet ??? So only 4 & 4.5 unless you want 3 to do so :D
 
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