In a full-blown war with India sinking the INS Vikrant should be top priority

[Philip the Arab]

Hi,

Total bullsh-it post---. Stop writing stupid posts---this is a serious matter---.



Hi,

Exocet is an inferior anti ship weapon to what pak military has---.

I know but it is battle proven and the upgraded versions are still viable today.

 

[ziaulislam]

the bigger threat to pk is indian helicopters.

Which helicopters ?!

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Which helicopters ?!

the title of the thread said that sinking a ship is the number one priority in a war between india and pakistan

the point i was getting across throughout the thread was that more basic, mass produced, dynamic, lethal weapons that can be deployed anywhere against pakistan are a bigger priority to deal with.

something like thousands of helicopters would be much more effective attack plan against pak because you can use them in every area in Pakistan, from the flat lands to the mountains and they can be manouvered to attack all defence positions.

considering how taliban defeated nato in a similar climate and landscape and they had basic weapons and nato had advanced weapons they still managed to hold them away. also considering how a superior force was defeated (us) by an amateur force in vietnam, it would be sensible to say that if any country wanted to take over pak they would learn from these two wars and employ it in their battle plan. and thats what i presented as a bigger threat and bigger priority to deal with.

pakistan is a very hard place to conquer. so they best method would be a professional taliban-vietnam attack

the proof is tribal areas, no control for decades. imagine that was india

if a highly trained militia of just say 35,000 people in attack helicopters entered pakistan, pakistan would be overrun. its better than cruise missiles from a ship or tank warfare or jet dog-fights. you could destroy every outpost, military base and facility from the himalayas to karachi

then land and employ vietnam-taliban warfare.

personally i think 100,000 troops could clear pakistan with AK-47s and helicopters in a week

a single EMP weapon inside islamabad would destroy every defence circuit in pak control. the helicopters would not be effected. thats how i would do it

i heard the israeli military is removing all electronics from its vehicles, and helicopters for some strange reason

the point is, in high-tech vs high-tech you end up with mutual destruction of tech.

in low tech vs high tech, low tech wins (somalia, afghanistan, vietnam)

in low-tech vs low-tech its numbers.

but you would already know that and prepare for that, just a thought

 

[Hellfire]

Hypothetically speaking, in the case where the Indian Navy launches a missile attack on Karachi, can we nuke the carrier group?

Yes. If you are willing for the consequences. Hypothetically, of course.

I am glad to see that INS Vikrant will be bombed.

@Nilgiri @MilSpec @jbgt90 @Joe Shearer

can these jets survive mountain warfare?

Yes yes, of course. They do not need acclimatization.

@Irfan Baloch

sinking any major Indian warship should end the war quickly

Exactly. Just do that in the harbour already.

@VCheng Enjoy

Personally, I have a very different take.

Your nukes will be useless. And Indian nukes will remain in their stores. Take it as a given.

ins vikramaditya would be the ultimate war trophy.... and PN has only one weapon that can do that A90 with AIP's..... i dont think IN will move out their CVBG.....

I agree.

But you may still be wrong on that account.

Another feel good thread!

 

[KhalaiMakhlooq]

Yes. If you are willing for the consequences. Hypothetically, of course.

I am glad to see that INS Vikrant will be bombed.

@Nilgiri @MilSpec @jbgt90 @Joe Shearer




Yes yes, of course. They do not need acclimatization.

@Irfan Baloch



Exactly. Just do that in the harbour already.

@VCheng Enjoy




Personally, I have a very different take.

Your nukes will be useless. And Indian nukes will remain in their stores. Take it as a given.




I agree.

But you may still be wrong on that account.

the reason why military wants to use"cruise missiles" and "navy nukes" is they think either we press buttons in the command centre and see who wins, or the other option is nuclear war where everyone dies.

the reason for this is they dont want to see the face of war. they doent want battles on the street and above their homes.

this attitude lost nato and us their wars

thats a loser ideology

to conquer a country you need a country left after you conquer it with people

thats why when i meet army officers i call them cowards

in war you hit soldiers, not civilians with nukes and missiles

like india hits civilians in kashmir on the streets in their homes

thats why i smile when indian military are blown up in kashmir

 

[Hellfire]

the reason why military wants to use"cruise missiles" and "navy nukes" is they think either we press buttons in the command centre and see who wins, or the other option is nuclear war where everyone dies.

Does not work that ways, sorry. Unfortunately for you, your Military and your Civil leadership are also those who understand the consequences of going down that road.

Why do you think that PAF's response was very calibrated, this after IAF violated not only the Pakistani side of Kashmir but also Pakistan proper? And this, the use of AF to violate Pakistani airspace, after Pakistan had warned that it is a 'Nuclear Power'?

What has happened, and here I would urge you to understand this very clearly, is that the so called Pakistani Nuclear Bluff was called, and Pakistan failed to live up to its own threats.

While one can counter with the countless Indian threats which have not materialized over the years, but this time, there was absolutely no two opinion over what course would be chosen.

One can argue over the fact that the PAF was quick to mount a counter but one must also consider the following:

1. A heightened state of alert was being maintained by PAF with regular CAPs and BARCAPs as can be seen on this forum itself, right in the aftermath of the bombing in Pulwama.

2. In spite of the heightened state, IAF managed to ingress and not a single aircraft was intercepted. One can claim that the aircrafts 'ran' after PAF came on scene and you and I can argue about it forever, but neither is that true, nor is it true that PAF was in vicinity. Had it been in vicinity, one odd aircraft would and should have been shot down as Pakistani airspace was clearly violated and PAF was clearly on heightened state of alert.

3. This, the perception that Pakistan allowed India to get away with a strike in its territory, after the US raid in Abbottabad, will work to undermine the confidence of the people in the State and the ability of Nuclear Weapons to be of any deterrence value - they simply are not.

the reason for this is they dont want to see the face of war. they doent want battles on the street and above their homes.

I think that you are being slightly harsh here as war is something that no sane person wants. And a soldier is one person who prays and wishes for peace, as he/she knows the cost of war will be first and foremost borne by him/her.

this attitude lost nato and us their wars

thats a loser ideology

to conquer a country you need a country left after you conquer it with people

That is an old concept. To conquer a country today, you need to make it dependent on yourself. Why do you think that China commands so much influence? Has China invaded any country? How has China, for a simple example, gained so much weightage in Pakistan itself?

One can very well argue that China holds more sway in Pakistan than any politician of Pakistan alone.

thats why when i meet army officers i call them cowards

in war you hit soldiers, not civilians with nukes and missiles

Neither. In war, you hit the economy of the nation, it's capacity to wage war/resist your offensives and destroy its economic (foremost) and then political will, to resist your position. If war was won over number of killed, Soviet Union surely lost the World War 2 to Germany.

like india hits civilians in kashmir on the streets in their homes

Factually incorrect. Security forces only use the provisions of law, as valid under the Ranbir Penal Code (a law applicable exlusively for J&K as decided by people of J&K since before joining the Union of India) and ancillarily under the Indian Penal Code.

Personally, I have never had an experience where a Kashmiri had attempted to pelt stones at me. Instead, they had offered to pelt stones at the Hurriyet Leadership if I paid them (the stone pelting industry) and the numbardar asking for help in checking the kids pelting stones on each others house at night as they are bored. It would have been quite comical if not for the consequences of such action.

thats why i smile when indian military are blown up in kashmir

Well, that is you, but I do not smile when Pakistani Security Forces sustain casualties in Baluchistan and elsewhere in NWFP et al. Reason is simple - there is someone in uniform who is dying for his/her country, which takes courage.

Cheers.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Personally, I have a very different take.

Your nukes will be useless. And Indian nukes will remain in their stores. Take it as a given.

I agree.

But you may still be wrong on that account.

Another feel good thread!

There is a reason why india has leader like Modi and media like bollywood, who sees a pilot with a failed mission as a hero!

 

[Hellfire]

There is a reason why india has leader like Modi and media like bollywood, who sees a pilot with a failed mission as a hero!

Well, the mission of the pilot was to prevent ingress of the PAF aircrafts. Mission was accomplished.

Cheers.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

The INS aircraft carrier will most likely be providing aircover to the ships that’ll be unloading Brahmos missiles at land based targets. It’ll probably be used a defensive tool. Air attacks would be undertaken by the IAF.
The OP forgets the proximity of our nations. It won’t be playing the role of a US aircraft carrier.

 

[I.R.A]

What has happened, and here I would urge you to understand this very clearly, is that the so called Pakistani Nuclear Bluff was called, and Pakistan failed to live up to its own threats.

What the duck .......... india was expecting a nuclear response from Pakistan for that air intrusion?

By the way india must have missed a very important meeting that took place in Pakistan.

Basically this time around indian modi invented notanki and circus of surgical strikes .... was given a rebuttal, to stop that nonsense hopefully for many years to come.

 

[Hellfire]

What the duck .......... india was expecting a nuclear response from Pakistan for that air intrusion?

Making people realize that their 'nukes' and 'nasrr remain food for PDF only. Our leaderships are not idiots.

By the way india must have missed a very important meeting that took place in Pakistan.

Basically this time around indian modi invented notanki and circus of surgical strikes .... was given a rebuttal, to stop that nonsense hopefully for many years to come.

Personally, have visited your territory uninvited 03 times, so nautanki may not hold.

I am right now going to sit back and enjoy the show.

You may believe as you see fit, but had this been about Modi and elections, we would have been moving into war already. Short of dismemberment, Modi does not gain anything.

But if I read this right, GoP has been given a chance to undertake what PM IK has proclaimed he will do. I am not very sure about how long before his legs are cut from under him. His intent maybe good, but he will be dragged out.

Ciao

later.

 

[I.R.A]

Personally, have visited your territory uninvited 03 times, so nautanki may not hold.

And somehow this doesn't apply to your counterparts? If I remember we are the only one with an acting COAS crossing the border and staying there on that side for a night.

So again why all this notanki?

modi is a chai wala ........ with a very limited capable processing unit, he stands no chance in any comparison with IK. As someone jokingly said IK has been winning the cups and modi has been filling the cups.

 

[Hellfire]

And somehow this doesn't apply to your counterparts? If I remember we are the only one with an acting COAS crossing the border and staying there on that side for a night.

So again why all this notanki?

modi is a chai wala ........ with a very limited capable processing unit, he stands no chance in any comparison with IK. As someone jokingly said IK has been winning the cups and modi has been filling the cups.

Bro, never claimed it is not mutual, Heck, at time ingressing-egressing parties have avoided each other because both were too dead tired to engage

Send all PDF to LC. They will realize that at times, engagements and heavy firing occurs, with mutual benefit

 

[Joe Shearer]

can these jets survive mountain warfare?

No.

They require special kits for the thin atmosphere there; jets are air-breathing, and they need air to breathe.

Those that are rockets also need special kits, as in the thinner atmosphere of the mountains, they fly faster, and are in danger of being burnt up by excessive speed. So they are fitted with retard kits of Pakistani manufacture; the country is expert in this technology.

CM-400 is a supersonic missile, not a jet. The jet in question should be JF-17. And how is a JF-17 related to survive in mountain warfare?

Please don't disturb a young, enquiring mind. Questioning everything is the way to success.

the bigger threat to pk is indian helicopters.

True, that.

Because these dangerous aircraft can fly up and down, vertically, they are difficult to hit.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Well, the mission of the pilot was to prevent ingress of the PAF aircrafts. Mission was accomplished.

Cheers.

I hope IAF plan more "missions" like this where losing your plane is hailed as accomplishment!