In a full-blown war with India sinking the INS Vikrant should be top priority

[Genesis]

Estimated 2020 completion date.

That's next year, it's doubtful, it'll be next year. With sea trials and all that, it'll be 2023-24 at the earliest. Then we also have to take into account of fighters being procured as well as further training. It'll be around 10 years before it's ready to take on a actual effective combat role.

 

[Philip the Arab]

Look friends...even we make possible for k8 to fire Amarams..

Lol you would need some type of targeting radar for that but good idea.

That's next year, it's doubtful, it'll be next year. With sea trials and all that, it'll be 2023-24 at the earliest. Then we also have to take into account of fighters being procured as well as further training. It'll be around 10 years before it's ready to take on a actual effective combat role.

If I was India I would have gone for an America class if I could have gotten F-35Bs from the U.S. or asked Russia to develop VTOL aircraft on a similar size vessel.

 

[Genesis]

If I was India I would have gone for an America class if I could have gotten F-35Bs from the U.S. or asked Russia to develop VTOL aircraft on a similar size vessel.

There's too many factors to consider. First India has no experience with such ships, America needs time to fulfill even its own orders, F-35B has orders everywhere and speed is the least of its concerns. America need to consider ally opinions, security, price and much more. Just maintenance is hard to do and integration is even harder.

In the end it will take even longer.

Russia has no money to develop VTOL, at least not in that limited a number, with the end of T-50, it's up in the air what its future development will be.

The one LHD India has cannot actually do an offensive action. Terms of the deal with America.

 

[alee92nawaz]

in event of war from pak... india would do something biblical. just instincts

No war is going to happen. Just firing on LoC till election.

 

[Philip the Arab]

No war is going to happen. Just firing on LoC till election.

"Never say never" Justine Bieber

 

[khansaheeb]

Hypothetically speaking, in the case where the Indian Navy launches a missile attack on Karachi, can we nuke the carrier group?

- Abhinav's bloodied face plastered all over twitter jolted the Indian public into a reality check. Their imaginations of war being like what they see in Bollywood movies was shattered and they suddenly didn't want a war anymore. A nuke will do that a hundred-folds.

- Most Indian keyboard warriors, armchair generals and media anchors are sitting comfortably away from the fighting. The ones suffering as always, are the Kashmiris. They need to understand that the war can come knocking home at any time.

- At some point, we need to make the Indians understand that our nuclear threshold has been reached. Otherwise we should just place our nukes in the museum for display.

- Without a strike group, their navy will be crippled and they no longer have disproportionate superiority over our forces.

Nukes are deterrents, if it is used then it no longer is a deterrent but a weapon of war. The day it becomes a weapon of war , well ask the Japanese. What's changed since Nagasaki and Hiroshima is the scale , quantity and variety of nuke weapons. Like conventional bombs, countries like Pakistan who have the technology to make them gradually make them larger and larger and help step towards the apocalypse. Then the fear of reciprocating destruction ensures frantic race for even more destructive power edging on insanity as we see the US and Russia arms race.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Nukes are deterrents, if it is used then it no longer is a deterrent but a weapon of war. The day it becomes a weapon of war , well ask the Japanese. What's changed since Nagasaki and Hiroshima is the scale , quantity and variety of nuke weapons. Like conventional bombs, countries like Pakistan who have the technology to make them gradually make them larger and larger and help step towards the apocalypse. Then the fear of reciprocating destruction ensures frantic race for even more destructive power edging on insanity as we see the US and Russia arms race.

What's the point of them if they fail to deter?

 

[khansaheeb]

What's the point of them if they fail to deter?

Somewhere along the line the geniuses fail in their logic.

 

[Counter-Errorist]

Somewhere along the line the geniuses fail in their logic.

Elaborate please. What is the point of all our nukes if we are reluctant to use them beyond our thresholds?

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

This thread will be exactly what the title is about. I stress this simply because aircraft carriers allow strikes from the sea thus eliminating the need for airbases. How this can be accomplished is complex since most likely the ship will be with a carrier strike group but there are three options I see #1 being anti-ship cruise missiles launched in barrages from shore based batteries #2 being air-launched Exocets and #3 being ship-launched or even submarines destroying the ship. The ship will be well defended so the best option would be a preemptive sinking when war is imminent. If someone with more experience about Pakistan's and India's navy that could elaborate on options.
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JF-17 with Exocet.

Thats SD-10 AAM. JF17 is integrated with C-802 ASM. Sinking CVGN would be futile. Taking a few OPVs or Destroyer is a measured response.

 

[truthseeker2010]

Thats SD-10 AAM. JF17 is integrated with C-802 ASM. Sinking CVGN would be futile. Taking a few OPVs or Destroyer is a measured response.

ins vikramaditya would be the ultimate war trophy.... and PN has only one weapon that can do that A90 with AIP's..... i dont think IN will move out their CVBG.....

 

[CHI RULES]

Thats SD-10 AAM. JF17 is integrated with C-802 ASM. Sinking CVGN would be futile. Taking a few OPVs or Destroyer is a measured response.

Sir deescalation has been started at least on regular border no black out today, however can you comment pls, do CM400 is operational with JF17 & can Pak subs fire Babur to hit Indian Aircraft Career .

 

[Syed1.]

I hope even during peace time we have a submarine constantly tracking the Vikrant and always within striking distance, or able to get within striking distance unnoticed in minimal time.


Vikrant is the biggest threat to Pak that India has.

 

[aman_rai]

It will be interesting if India selects Rafael for Vikrant

I hope even during peace time we have a submarine constantly tracking the Vikrant and always within striking distance, or able to get within striking distance unnoticed in minimal time.


Vikrant is the biggest threat to Pak that India has.

India Have Vikramaditya fyi not Vikrant

 

[Christina Chan]

INS Vikrant wouldn't be operational in 3 years.