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IMF:Bangladesh GDP 249 Billion USD, Per capita 1,525 USD in 2017.

Not too long ago I said in this forum that BD export will overtake PK in 2 years, when BD had 22 bln export and PK had 24 billion export. They all jumped all over me, that its not possible.
Now we are betting 40 billion export and PK 20 billion export. :)

i think they've improved a bit with their exports, around $30bn now but their imports are north of $50bn. They also have problems in their public debt at over 61% its almost double ours, plus their gross external debt is way too high. Population growth is also much higher then us etc etc....Then their is the issue of the internal conflict (thats a nother story).
 
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Your trade is entirely dependent on your industry. More than half of your exports is textile. And when it comes to textile industry, you lose your market to another country, that's a standard rule.

And you think we will remain dependent on Textiles? Lol. Have you heard about our leather, pharmaceutical, shipbuilding ICT industries?

Lol. I don't think you understand how cities work.

Who's talking about cities here?

Oh yes, it is irrelevant. India's financial identity is homogeneous.

Actually no. Indian provinces have economic autonomy.

You got that wrong. BD will become dependent on India. NE will simply get a bonus out of that. BD is already a satellite state for India.

I don't know if you've noticed, but India is taking over your power and energy sector.
http://www.newagebd.net/article/13939/dependence-on-india-on-the-rise

In fact, India will be in control of over 50% of your fuel and electricity needs within the next few years.

http://in.reuters.com/article/brief-india-signs-multi-billion-dollar-e-idIND8N1FU00N

Lol, and I presume India is a slave state of USA? Makes sense, after the signing of LEMOA.

Our energy dependence on India is less than 10% and it will gradually shrink after the implementation of the Chinese and Japanese funded power projects. Then we have nuclear projects funded by Russia.

India will be in control of over 50% of your fuel and electricity needs, lol, where did you get that? Do you even know about our fuel and energy needs and the number of projects under implementation?

On the Northeast states, they are already becoming dependent on Bangladesh. We have already started to supply internet bandwidth while the food supplies to many Northeast states go through Bangladesh. After the transit facilities, they will be able to use our seaports which will make them completely dependent on Bangladesh for trade. Bangladesh has already become an attractive market for Northeast states and the bilateral trade will continue to grow, triggering their further dependence on Bangladesh.
 
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Your trade is entirely dependent on your industry. More than half of your exports is textile. And when it comes to textile industry, you lose your market to another cheaper country, that's a standard rule.

it's obvious you know very little about Bangladesh, or its RMG industry. Our RMG, exports (knit and woven) will continue to see rapid growth from $25bn to over $50bn in the next 5+ years and as China (the largest exporter way ahead of Bangladesh) begins to move up the value added scale, most of that production is expected to come to us.

To compete with Bangladesh, any nation will need to build 25,000 to 30,000 new factories (plus associated industries), builds an entire workforce, and so on....it took us 3 decades to reach this point.

Now we are looking to diverseify into leather, white goods, light engineering, ICT, ship building, pharma etc etc....we are not standing still. New factories are poping up every day, go to bangladesh and see for yourself.
 
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And you think we will remain dependent on Textiles? Lol. Have you heard about our leather, pharmaceutical, shipbuilding ICT industries?



Who's talking about cities here?



Actually no. Indian provinces have economic autonomy.



Lol, and I presume India is a slave state of USA? Makes sense, after the signing of LEMOA.

Our energy dependence on India is less than 10% and it will gradually shrink after the implementation of the Chinese and Japanese funded power projects. Then we have nuclear projects funded by Russia.

India will be in control of over 50% of your fuel and electricity needs, lol, where did you get that? Do you even know about our fuel and energy needs and the number of projects under implementation?

On the Northeast states, they are already becoming dependent on Bangladesh. We have already started to supply internet bandwidth while the food supplies to many Northeast states go through Bangladesh. After the transit facilities, they will be able to use our seaports which will make them completely dependent on Bangladesh for trade. Bangladesh has already become an attractive market for Northeast states and the bilateral trade will continue to grow, triggering their further dependence on Bangladesh.



another fantasy .. 0.5billion $ dollars shipbuilding industry :rofl::rofl::rofl::cheesy:...


http://elibrary.worldbank.org/doi/abs/10.1596/978-1-4648-0924-8_ch1:cheers:


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http://wap.business-standard.com/co...-exports-the-growth-story-116010600140_1.html

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now go back to cheddi making..
 
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i think they've improved a bit with their exports, around $30bn now but their imports are north of $50bn. They also have problems in their public debt at over 61% its almost double ours, plus their gross external debt is way too high. Population growth is also much higher then us etc etc....Then their is the issue of the internal conflict (thats a nother story).

Oh yeah you are right. we will see when you guys will over take us. for now there is no harm in living in dream. have great day in lungis

Please don't talk BS according to your own government Pakistan base year is 2005-2006 (while bangladesh base year is 2004-2005).

http://www.pbs.gov.pk/faq-na

At the end of 2015 your GDP was $271bn, by 2016 it grew to $285bn and in 2017 its expected to reach $300bn. If we factor in the how your currency has depreciated there is very little to no chance that the economy is anywhere near $330bn.

In National Currency itsa round 329T rupees which will b around 315-320B Usd. :)
 
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And you think we will remain dependent on Textiles? Lol. Have you heard about our leather, pharmaceutical, shipbuilding ICT industries?

So what? It will still be minuscule. Regardless, you still can't compare specific Indian states to BD.

Who's talking about cities here?

If you are talking about Chittagong Division, then a quick look says it has half the per capita income of Tamil Nadu. :lol:

Actually no. Indian provinces have economic autonomy.

Economic autonomy is completely different from financial power. Financials are determined by the central govt. Everybody pays pretty much the same taxes. The entire financial structure is homogeneous.

Lol, and I presume India is a slave state of USA?

What do they own in India?

India and US have been enemies for decades. Just because they suddenly want to invest in India doesn't make us their slaves. Their investments have been paltry, we merely created an environment and they were forced to sign business deals because of the business we gave them, it's just being smart. We don't have any real global competitors in this sector.

Our energy dependence on India is less than 10% and it will gradually shrink after the implementation of the Chinese and Japanese funded power projects. Then we have nuclear projects funded by Russia.

India will be in control of over 50% of your fuel and electricity needs, lol, where did you get that? Do you even know about our fuel and energy needs and the number of projects under implementation?

Haven't you read the links I provided?

The Chinese, Japanese and Russians are nothing compared to India's energy investments.

As of last year, BD produced 12GW. China has promised 2.6GW, Japan, nothing yet. Russia's reactor project is too far in the future. In comparison, India will provide about 10GW worth of investments, and another 1-2GW of power from India, and that's from current contracts.

Not to mention all the gas and oil deals that are still to be signed, along with connecting BD's electricity grid to India's, along with renewable energy projects.

Anybody can tell you what's happening.

On the Northeast states, they are already becoming dependent on Bangladesh. We have already started to supply internet bandwidth while the food supplies to many Northeast states go through Bangladesh. After the transit facilities, they will be able to use our seaports which will make them completely dependent on Bangladesh for trade. Bangladesh has already become an attractive market for Northeast states and the bilateral trade will continue to grow, triggering their further dependence on Bangladesh.

That's not dependency. Food? Internet? A rail line? Really? As though they couldn't survive without those earlier. BD is just a transit zone for this stuff. That's not dependency.

Dependency is when an economy cannot live without something critical, like power, fuel or money. Otoh, it looks like the transit facility will make BD dependent on India for all the money it will get for doing nothing but simply exist. Trade doesn't make you dependent either.

For example, both India and BD are dependent on Middle Eastern oil. That's called dependency.

it's obvious you know very little about Bangladesh, or its RMG industry. Our RMG, exports (knit and woven) will continue to see rapid growth from $25bn to over $50bn in the next 5+ years and as China (the largest exporter way ahead of Bangladesh) begins to move up the value added scale, most of that production is expected to come to us.

To compete with Bangladesh, any nation will need to build 25,000 to 30,000 new factories (plus associated industries), builds an entire workforce, and so on....it took us 3 decades to reach this point.

Now we are looking to diverseify into leather, white goods, light engineering, ICT, ship building, pharma etc etc....we are not standing still. New factories are poping up every day, go to bangladesh and see for yourself.

BD's textile industry relies on US and EU's free trade rules because BD is a low income country.

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease.aspx?relid=108330

Indian companies have to pay duties while BD doesn't. And this privilege is temporary. After that, BD will have to compete with India on even grounds.

And I don't think you should be talking about scale because India is still the second largest producer of textiles in the world.

https://www.ibef.org/industry/textiles.aspx
The Indian textiles industry, currently estimated at around US$ 108 billion, is expected to reach US$ 223 billion by 2021.

India's overall textile exports during FY 2015-16 stood at US$ 40 billion.


http://asia.nikkei.com/Politics-Eco...vertake-Bangladesh-Vietnam-in-garment-exports
"Bangladesh, as a least-developed country, gets preferential access in terms of duties to both to the EU and the U.S.," said Arvind Singhal, chairman of Technopak, a consultancy that focuses on fashion retailing and other sectors. "For Vietnam, it is the same in the case of the U.S., which is the largest clothing importing market [along with] the EU. So, there's certainly an advantage in favor of Bangladesh and Vietnam."

For India, a country of 1.25 billion, however, "it is the domestic market which is much bigger than the export market," Singhal said. "So India does not have to worry only about exports. The garment industry will do well in India [due to rising] domestic demand as its economy grows."

Basically, India's textile industry employs 40 million people versus BD's 4 million while Indian companies are a lot richer due to the size of the industry. So there is no comparison.
 
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i think they've improved a bit with their exports, around $30bn now but their imports are north of $50bn.
No,not improved.Pakistan's export is now 20 billion dollar and falling.There is a huge 30 billion dollar trade deficit.Import is 50 billion dollar and rising.Trade deficit is one and half times higher than export.:suicide2:


DAWN.COM

Trade deficit surges to all-time high
Mubarak Zeb KhanUpdated Apr 12, 2017 07:57am
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Pakistan’s trade deficit ballooned by 38.8 per cent to an all-time high $23.385 billion during the first nine months of the current financial year.

When the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz came to power in 2013, the country’s trade deficit was $20.435bn that has been on an upward trajectory since then owing to rising imports, while exports continue to fall and have reached the level prevailing five years ago.

Trade deficit stood at $3.208bn in March, a rise of 77.34pc compared to the same month a year ago, according to the data released by the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics on Tuesday.

If this trend continues, deficit will reach $30bn by the end of June this year, which will be the highest-ever trade deficit in the country’s history.

Commerce Minister Khurram Dastgir told Dawn that the import bill had swelled because of the largest-ever rise in power generating machinery (84.67pc), followed by office and data processing machinery (58.2pc), construction and mining (67.38pc) and agriculture machinery and implements (38.31pc).

Mr Dastgir said the nature of imports showed an increase in investment and industry. “Thus, it is a positive sign.”

He agreed that the balance of payments was a concern and said his government was trying to address the issue during this quarter.

But contrary to the government’s claims, former economic adviser Dr Ashfaq H. Khan told Dawn that this was a dangerous development on the country’s external balance of payment side. If this trend continues, he said, Pakistan’s imports would exceed $50bn for the first time in its history. He said exports were hovering around $20bn and the trade gap was expected to touch $30bn.

“What is alarming is this trend has been going on for four years and no one in the government has ever taken notice of this threatening development,” he said, adding that the finance minister should be held responsible for whatever was happening on the external balance of payment because he had taken every measure which eroded Pakistan’s export competitiveness.

The prime minister, he said, should have called an emergency cabinet meeting to review not only the balance of payment but also the entire economy.

The overall import bill rose by 18.67pc year-on-year to $38.504bn during nine months of the current financial year (July-March). In March alone, it increased by 41.22pc to $5.009bn.

In 2012-13, the import bill stood at $44.950bn.

Export proceeds during nine months of the current fiscal year declined by 3.06pc to $15.119bn. In March, however, export proceeds witnessed a growth of 3.62pc, mainly because of an increase in exports of value-added textile products.

Exports of garments and other value-added products to Europe have started picking up under the GSP+ preferential tariff scheme.

Strategic Trade Policy

Under a three-year Strategic Trade Policy unveiled last year, the government set an annual export target of $35bn by 2018. However, the policy announced in April last year has yet to attract exporters because of its cumbersome procedures.

The government has recently removed the commerce secretary because of his failure to timely implement the trade policy.

Under the 2015-18 policy, the Ministry of Commerce notified five cash support schemes to improve product design, encourage innovation, facilitate branding and certification, upgrade technology for new machinery and plants, provide cash support for plant and machinery for agro processing and give duty drawbacks on local taxes. To minimise the chances of corruption, the government decided to disburse the subsidy through the State Bank of Pakistan.

“Not a single claim was received for disbursement in the last nine months,” said an official of the commerce ministry who blamed it on the cumbersome procedures involved.

Analysts say exports can only be increased by state intervention at the institutional, policy and entrepreneurial levels. The performance of the government is dismal at all levels.

The government has yet to initiate reforms in trade-related departments as policy formulation is still awaited in many areas.

The only area in which the government has intervened to gain political mileage is the award of subsides to entrepreneurs. In this regard, the prime minister announced a Rs180bn subsidy package for textile, clothing, sports, surgical, leather and carpet sectors. The package will be applicable until June 30, 2018, when the incumbent government will go into the next election.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1326395
 
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So what? It will still be minuscule. Regardless, you still can't compare specific Indian states to BD.



If you are talking about Chittagong Division, then a quick look says it has half the per capita income of Tamil Nadu. :lol:



Economic autonomy is completely different from financial power. Financials are determined by the central govt. Everybody pays pretty much the same taxes. The entire financial structure is homogeneous.



What do they own in India?

India and US have been enemies for decades. Just because they suddenly want to invest in India doesn't make us their slaves. Their investments have been paltry, we merely created an environment and they were forced to sign business deals because of the business we gave them, it's just being smart. We don't have any real global competitors in this sector.



Haven't you read the links I provided?

The Chinese, Japanese and Russians are nothing compared to India's energy investments.

As of last year, BD produced 12GW. China has promised 2.6GW, Japan, nothing yet. Russia's reactor project is too far in the future. In comparison, India will provide about 10GW worth of investments, and another 1-2GW of power from India, and that's from current contracts.

Not to mention all the gas and oil deals that are still to be signed, along with connecting BD's electricity grid to India's, along with renewable energy projects.

Anybody can tell you what's happening.



That's not dependency. Food? Internet? A rail line? Really? As though they couldn't survive without those earlier. BD is just a transit zone for this stuff. That's not dependency.

Dependency is when an economy cannot live without something critical, like power, fuel or money. Otoh, it looks like the transit facility will make BD dependent on India for all the money it will get for doing nothing but simply exist. Trade doesn't make you dependent either.

For example, both India and BD are dependent on Middle Eastern oil. That's called dependency.

Well, you simply know nothing about Bangladesh which just makes this discussion a waste of time.

I've checked the links, Indian companies have just signed MoUs for investments in the power sector and nothing is under implementation. Even if they actually execute the projects, they will at best total at 3-4GW. By the time the projects are completed, Bangladesh's total power generation would stand at 40-50GW.

You have no idea about the Chinese and Japanese investments in Bangladesh. China is "implementing" a number of power plants in different parts of the country which would amount to somewhere around 8-10GW. Japan is also implementing similar number of power projects, perhaps a bit more at around 15-20GW. The Matarbari area would be turned into a power hub. Besides, Russia is also executing a nuclear power plant which will generate about 2.4GW with possible future expansions. Then there are other countries like Singapore, Malaysia who will be implementing about 1-2GW each. Apart from these, we have enough domestic companies who will be generating some 2-3GW of power. As you can see, India will just have a minor share of the number of power projects being implemented already.

About the Northeast States, as I said they are on their way to becoming dependent on Bangladesh. Relying on Bangladesh for food supplies, internet bandwidth, port facilities are just pointing towards it. Gradually their dependence on mainland India will be shifted towards Bangladesh. And as said before, they are now more inclined to sell their goods to Bangladesh than to mainland India since the transporting and logistical costs are cheaper. Moreover, Bangladesh is just charging nominal fees for the transit facilities as we don't seek any significant economic benefit from this, that means the Northeast will become more interested in integrating with Bangladesh due to the cheaper transit costs.
 
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Well, you simply know nothing about Bangladesh which just makes this discussion a waste of time.

I've checked the links, Indian companies have just signed MoUs for investments in the power sector and nothing is under implementation. Even if they actually execute the projects, they will at best total at 3-4GW. By the time the projects are completed, Bangladesh's total power generation would stand at 40-50GW.

Lol. BD's national goal is to achieve 24GW by 2021.

You have no idea about the Chinese and Japanese investments in Bangladesh. China is "implementing" a number of power plants in different parts of the country which would amount to somewhere around 8-10GW. Japan is also implementing similar number of power projects, perhaps a bit more at around 15-20GW. The Matarbari area would be turned into a power hub. Besides, Russia is also executing a nuclear power plant which will generate about 2.4GW with possible future expansions. Then there are other countries like Singapore, Malaysia who will be implementing about 1-2GW each. Apart from these, we have enough domestic companies who will be generating some 2-3GW of power. As you can see, India will just have a minor share of the number of power projects being implemented already.

You just made all of that up. :lol:

About the Northeast States, as I said they are on their way to becoming dependent on Bangladesh. Relying on Bangladesh for food supplies, internet bandwidth, port facilities are just pointing towards it. Gradually their dependence on mainland India will be shifted towards Bangladesh. And as said before, they are now more inclined to sell their goods to Bangladesh than to mainland India since the transporting and logistical costs are cheaper. Moreover, Bangladesh is just charging nominal fees for the transit facilities as we don't seek any significant economic benefit from this, that means the Northeast will become more interested in integrating with Bangladesh due to the cheaper transit costs.

As I said, this is merely the start of integrating BD's economy into India's.
 
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Lol. BD's national goal is to achieve 24GW by 2021.



You just made all of that up. :lol:

Nope, nothing is made up. We are planning to generate over 40GW of power by 2030.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.c...-1,320MW-coal-fired-power-plant-in-Patuakhali

As of now, only the Rampal power plant is under construction which has Indian investments, that too with only 50% equity, which will generate 1.2GW.

As I said, this is merely the start of integrating BD's economy into India's.

Obviously, there will be an integration but more in line with the Northeast States becoming dependent on Bangladesh and not vice-versa.
 
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Why we have a higher growth rate compared to yours?

I would love Bangladesh to Pass Pakistan economically.

But you are avoiding the fact that there are reason's we are "slow" from previous 10 years.

1. Political Instability.
2. Electricity shortage.
3. WOT
4. Security Issues.

these 4 issues "combinely" reduced our Growth rate by 4-5% if not more. Now as we have

Political stability, Improved Security measures, and working on Electricity sources. In 2-3 year's i "hope" we will easily regain our 7% growth.

Also, BD have rebased it's GDP by 2013-14 which helped you alot. But on the other hand, Pakistan GDP base is still of 2000. we are rebasing our GDP in 2018. Hope for a 100 billion Dollar's Increase. as our informal economy is greater then formal one.

@UKBengali .
 
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Nope, nothing is made up. We are planning to generate over 40GW of power by 2030.

http://www.thefinancialexpress-bd.c...-1,320MW-coal-fired-power-plant-in-Patuakhali

Lol dude. I'm talking about taking over 50% of BD's energy industry by 2020, and you are talking about 2030.

BD's goal is to reach 24GW from 12GW by 2021 and out of that India has already signed MoUs for 10GW.

As of now, only the Rampal power plant is under construction which has Indian investments, that too with only 50% equity, which will generate 1.2GW.

So Indian programs have started. What about Chinese?

50% equity is very good. Way better than China's 80% or 100% debt.

Obviously, there will be an integration but more in line with the Northeast States becoming dependent on Bangladesh.

There's no such thing as NE states being dependent on BD. The fact is the NE states are self-sufficient by themselves, except oil. Creating a transit corridor will mean India will supply Indian territory through BD, nothing else.

In fact this transit corridor, including the coastal shipping agreement, have been designed to make BD reliant on India's infrastructure. Ships, trains, rail tracks, transmission lines etc will belong to India.

What this means is India will also police your EEZ through the Indian Coast Guard. Let's not forget the defence pact we signed this month. Not to mention a civilian nuclear pact as well. So everything that's happening is moving towards reinforcing BD's political alignment towards India.

So yeah, you wanna sell wheat to NE, go ahead. That in no way makes NE dependent on BD.
 
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Also, BD have rebased it's GDP by 2013-14 which helped you alot. But on the other hand, Pakistan GDP base is still of 2000. we are rebasing our GDP in 2018. Hope for a 100 billion Dollar's Increase. as our informal economy is greater then formal one.

A little correction -

Pakistan's current base year is 2006. It was changed in 2013. Bangladesh also did the same that year rebasing it to 2006 from previously 1996.

Bangladesh government decided to do the rebasing on every ten years. It was decided in Aug 2016 the new base year would be 2016. Though calculation & statistics are yet to emerge. BBS is currently working on fresh calculations basing on the new gdp base year. All the current data's on BD is based in 2006.


Pakistan is expected to do this in 2018.
 
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Well, you simply know nothing about Bangladesh which just makes this discussion a waste of time.

I've checked the links, Indian companies have just signed MoUs for investments in the power sector and nothing is under implementation. Even if they actually execute the projects, they will at best total at 3-4GW. By the time the projects are completed, Bangladesh's total power generation would stand at 40-50GW.

You have no idea about the Chinese and Japanese investments in Bangladesh. China is "implementing" a number of power plants in different parts of the country which would amount to somewhere around 8-10GW. Japan is also implementing similar number of power projects, perhaps a bit more at around 15-20GW. The Matarbari area would be turned into a power hub. Besides, Russia is also executing a nuclear power plant which will generate about 2.4GW with possible future expansions. Then there are other countries like Singapore, Malaysia who will be implementing about 1-2GW each. Apart from these, we have enough domestic companies who will be generating some 2-3GW of power. As you can see, India will just have a minor share of the number of power projects being implemented already.

About the Northeast States, as I said they are on their way to becoming dependent on Bangladesh. Relying on Bangladesh for food supplies, internet bandwidth, port facilities are just pointing towards it. Gradually their dependence on mainland India will be shifted towards Bangladesh. And as said before, they are now more inclined to sell their goods to Bangladesh than to mainland India since the transporting and logistical costs are cheaper. Moreover, Bangladesh is just charging nominal fees for the transit facilities as we don't seek any significant economic benefit from this, that means the Northeast will become more interested in integrating with Bangladesh due to the cheaper transit costs.


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Installed capacity of India

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15000mw vs 320000 mw do you really want to compare?

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quite funny claims coming from you.
 
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