IMF:Bangladesh GDP 249 Billion USD, Per capita 1,525 USD in 2017.

[MultaniGuy]

If Bangladesh is growing at a healthy rate, good for it. Let's stay focused on Pakistan. As for comparisons, Bangladesh is behind in many categories, but also ahead in some. In any case, Bangladesh isn't going to surpass Pakistan in per capita GDP (PPP) and poverty levels anytime soon.

Not to mention that much of the gap that they've made up has come from a declining birth rate (fewer people). When Pakistan's fertility rate decreases to around 2.5+ (whenever that occurs), it too will see its per capita GDP figure rise substantially.


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As for Pakistan, its growth rate accelerates a little bit each year. CPEC is alleviating Pakistan's chronic energy crisis, and our growth rate will likely continue to rise each year as a result.

Bangladesh is behind Pakistan in most indicators and categories. Bangladesh is ahead only a few categories like life expectancy.

 

[Skies]

Electric power consumption (kWh per capita)
bd (2014) = 311
India (2014) = 805
Myanmer (2014) = 211
pk (2014) = 472
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC

Energy use (kg of oil equivalent per capita)
bd (2014) = 223
India (2014) = 667
Myanmer (2014) = 361
pk (2014) = 486
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE

Technical cooperation grants (BoP, current US$)
bd (2015) = 179,110,000
India (2015) = 389,370,000
Myanmer (2015) = 135,470,000
pk (2015) = 245,090,000
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.GRT.TECH.CD.WD


Foreign direct investment, net inflows (BoP, current US$)
bd (2015) = 3,380,251,355
India (2015) = 44,009,492,130
Myanmer (2015) = 4,083,839,112
pk (2015) = 979,000,000
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.KLT.DINV.CD.WD

Co2 emmision
bd (2015) = 0.4
India (2015) = 1.6
Myanmer (2015) = 0.2
pk (2015) = 0.8
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?view=chart

 

[MultaniGuy]

Electric power consumption (kWh per capita)
bd (2014) = 311
India (2014) = 805
Myanmer (2014) = 211
pk (2014) = 472
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.ELEC.KH.PC

Energy use (kg of oil equivalent per capita)
bd (2014) = 223
India (2014) = 667
Myanmer (2014) = 361
pk (2014) = 486
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.USE.PCAP.KG.OE


Technical cooperation grants (BoP, current US$)
bd (2015) = 179,110,000
India (2015) = 389,370,000
Myanmer (2015) = 135,470,000
pk (2015) = 245,090,000
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.GRT.TECH.CD.WD


Foreign direct investment, net inflows (BoP, current US$)
bd (2015) = 3,380,251,355
India (2015) = 44,009,492,130
Myanmer (2015) = 4,083,839,112
pk (2015) = 979,000,000
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/BX.KLT.DINV.CD.WD

Technical cooperation grants (BoP, current US$)
bd (2015) = 0.4
India (2015) = 1.6
Myanmer (2015) = 0.2
pk (2015) = 0.8
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC?view=chart

Bangladesh is behind Pakistan in most categories.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Bangladesh is too overpopulated to achieve any thing economically great.

 

[Bilal9]

see you are being selective in your comaprisons, We are net exporter of grains while you are net importer. We are net exporter of Cement while you are net importer etc

Even our fertility rate is high but so our area is also. We have 7 times larger area than Bangladesh. over population in comparison with area and resources you have.

You can't compare 1st world develop countries with third world developing countries. Those countries were have strong industrial base for growth while you are nill in this your only major thing is textiles and thats all.

Japan Area is 350K KM while bangladesh is 147K Km, their Population density is 347 while your one is 1350.

So i dont know how you can compare with Japan. Even taiwan population density is half than yours.

Well honestly I have no reason, nor desire to paint Bangladesh as 'better' than Pakistan. However we have to acknowledge that there are myths about both of our countries in both populaces that we need to clarify.

It is true that Pakistan is larger, but how much of it is habitable? If people cannot live in say Nanga Parbat area, or in the middle of the desert, can that count as a place people can inhabit? But yes - I will admit Pakistan still has much larger 'habitable' area than Bangladesh. In Bangladesh we have over 85% area which is more or less habitable.

And talking about people - we have taken effort to train our population for future vocations whereas our educational levels compare with any country in Asia. We have more girls than boys in our schools, which is a must IMHO for progress.

I will also take mild issue with your claim that Textiles is our only industry. This may have been the case fifteen years ago but a lot of investment in various types of industrial endeavor has taken place. To give one example, our shipbuilding sector is thriving, thanks mostly to private sector impetus. Even our naval shipbuilding is on a roll. Please check the BN section.

Pakistan's automotive sector is better (and some would say more thriving) than ours but ours is growing too, as is our steel and cement sectors, along with many others, which are mostly export-oriented. In Bangladesh per capita cement consumption is less because we use steel sheets as roofing material mostly, while Pakistan uses cement. That cannot be used as a criteria for Bangladesh.

Even industrial plants use steel trusses and sheeting, all made and fabricated locally. All local factories made these days use local materials and engineering. Our new Rooppur Nuclear Reactor being built by Russian expertise will use mostly local civil and mechanical engg. design as well as local fabrication contractors - other than critical items like the reactor itself.

Please see my 'Made in Bangladesh' thread in PDF to get some idea.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/made-in-bangladesh.371875/page-24

 

[Khan_21]

Ok, be happy with all those waste land.Mongolia got twice the land of Pakistan.I doesn't help them in anyways.

Pakistan's beauty is its diversity . We have every type of weather , landscape , culture imaginable . Bangladesh is too one dimensional . One language , one race , no real variation in weather etc etc .

 

[UKBengali]

Pakistan's beauty is its diversity . We have every type of weather , landscape , culture imaginable . Bangladesh is too one dimensional . One language , one race , no real variation in weather etc etc .

I would agree with all you say except about the bit on one language and one race.

The most successful countries in the one share one race, one language for the majority of the population.

Take for example the US where you have mostly English speaking whites or Japan where you have Japanese speaking Japanese.

Pakistan is actually being handicapped by it's multi-ethnic makeup.

 

[Nike]

I would agree with all you say except about the bit on one language and one race.

The most successful countries in the one share one race, one language for the majority of the population.

Take for example the US where you have mostly English speaking whites or Japan where you have Japanese speaking Japanese.

Pakistan is actually being handicapped by it's multi-ethnic makeup.

the whites in the US composed of various races and tribes, from German peoples (Dutch, Netherland, Austrian,Danish and other), Slavic peoples (be it they are Russian, Serbian, Polish, Rumanian), England, Irish, Scotland, Italian, Greeks, Spain and other. In short is a grave mistake to include them as one ethnic races just because they are white and using English for daily conversation. Not to mention US is multi ethnic country, a melting pot with so many cultures and races from around the world met.

 

[randomradio]

Considering your rate of progress since 1947, I wouldn't say that if I were you.

Your GDP per capita should be at least 4 times more as India was much more industrialized on partition, had a head start of 24 years from 1947, and didn't go through a war as Bangladesh did.

Your kind is the rare kind who would do chest thumping being third in a three way race !!!

How is past performance in anyway related to current performance?

India's per capita income today is $1800. And it is growing faster than BD's or Pak's. Not to mention India will be transitioning from a lower middle income country to a higher middle income country, so this transition will be quite quick.

It's funny that you consider India hasn't been at war while at the same time forgetting that BD is growing with help from foreign investment and trade preference, including with India.

You haven't read my post, the Indian investments on power projects will generate just 3-4GW not 10. Check your sources again.

This is getting ridiculous. I have already given sources. Total commitment for power from India is well over 11GW.

Well, if NE were self-sufficient, there would have been no need for transit. You're right initially India will supply to Indian territory but gradually, there will be no need to have supplies from mainland India after they have access to sea through our ports. Besides, as our economy grows further, NE will become trade dependent on Bangladesh, apart from dependence on our infrastructure.

If BD was self sufficient, then there is no need for BCIM either. Heard of economic growth?

Lol, I'll just post some links,
China Plans 9 Billion Dollars Loan For Six Rail Projects In Bangladesh
China's Etern signs $1.1 billion Bangladesh power grid deal

So China is investing in Bangladesh's railways, transmission lines to make BD reliant on India?

China's infrastructure investments will not make BD reliant on China. It's because once they are built, it's over, it's not like energy and fuel which require constant investment.

Indian coast guards in Bangladeshi EEZ? Are you serious? Our govt. is anything but most serious at ensuring the protection of our EEZ. Did you even know how much of fanfare went through in Bangladesh afterthe winning of maritime disputes against India and Myanmar? Why do you think the whole Naval equipment including the submarines are purchased for? In fact, over the years, our Navy has got the highest priority in the military modernization. And why do you think our PM keep reiterating the term "Blue economy"? You have no idea about the things you are talking.

The defence agreements are merely MoUs, not only they are non-binding, the agreements only include insignificant stuff like exchange of delegations, joint training etc.

And we gave up a small EEZ claim in exchange for developing and patrolling BD's EEZ. The agreements have already been signed.

You may think whatever floats your boat for now but as the Northeast relies more and more on Bangladesh for even basic necessities like food, Internet, fuel, ports, you would ultimately have to stand corrected. Given their geographical nature, Northeast is bound to be dependent on Bangladesh.

I don't think you have understood how much India will be in control of BD, both economically and politically, once all the agreements are implemented.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Congratulations to Bangladesh ; You are doing well

 

[fallstuff]

How is past performance in anyway related to current performance?

India's per capita income today is $1800. And it is growing faster than BD's or Pak's. Not to mention India will be transitioning from a lower middle income country to a higher middle income country, so this transition will be quite quick.

It's funny that you consider India hasn't been at war while at the same time forgetting that BD is growing with help from foreign investment and trade preference, including with India.

Your arguments ironically, are based on past performances.

Your revised gdp growth must be taken with a fist full of salt. Border skirmishes do not classify as war but local events.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

This data is from year 2005. Please tel us latest.

It doesn't matter whether data is from 2005 or 2017 when it comes to long term average rainfall.They calculate it with 50 to 100 years average.Desert, semi desert these things are related to annual rainfall.68 percent of Pakistan receive less than 250mm rainfall annually.There are no reason that rainfall has increased to Pakistan in recent years in any significant amount.

Bangladesh is behind Pakistan in most categories.

How? Only in energy usage we are significantly behind in this list.Energy usage in Pakistan is higher because of higher number of motor car per capita. Bangladesh artificially depressed car market unlike Pakistan.Pakistan is importing huge quantity of petroleum to run those car which is worsening it's trade deficit.Pakistan's trade deficit is already one and half times larger than export!!It doesn't make any favor to your economy when you are an oil import dependent poor country to brag about car number or energy consumption.

Another thing which necessitate Pakistan's higher energy consumption is extreme temperature.Many part of Pakistan have 50+degree celsius in summer and fall below freezing point during winter.Both of this require higher energy consumption compulsion as a heating or cooling of home.We don't have this type of temperature extreme.We very rarely go beyond 40 degree celsius or fall below 10 degree Celsius.So unless Pakistan consume several times of energy than BD it doesn't constitute any progress on part of Pakistan.Per capita twice energy consumption in Pakistan compared to BD is not any advantage but a weakness.Per capita energy consumption is highest in desert gulf Arab countries or severely cold country like Canada.While Singapore or Taiwan have low energy demand,Around half of those gulf countries.It doesn't mean Singapore or Taiwan are less developed then gulf countries.

 

[randomradio]

Your arguments ironically, are based on past performances.

Your revised gdp growth must be taken with a fist full of salt. Border skirmishes do not classify as war but local events.

So now you would rather make up facts.

 

[Species]

This is getting ridiculous. I have already given sources. Total commitment for power from India is well over 11GW.

Oh, so it has gone ahead from 10GW to 11GW? You should check your sources again, nowhere they say India would commit 11GW. Or perhaps you would like to list down Indian power projects in Bangladesh, totaling that amount of power? At best, Indian commitment is about 3-4GW and that too by the year 2025.

If BD was self sufficient, then there is no need for BCIM either. Heard of economic growth?

You do realize that Northeast is a Landlocked region with poor communication with Mainland India right? They also have little resources to be self-sufficient. The whole transit issue is to speed up and better their communication with mainland India, through Bangladesh. However, overtime they will become more dependent on Bangladesh and reduce their dependence on mainland, after getting more access to our ports and market.

China's infrastructure investments will not make BD reliant on China. It's because once they are built, it's over, it's not like energy and fuel which require constant investment.

Nobody is saying Bangladesh will be reliant on China and neither we be reliant on India. There are many sources for investments, by the time the projects are completed we will be capable of making the investments ourselves. Or else, there are enough great powers willing to invest in Bangladesh.

And we gave up a small EEZ claim in exchange for developing and patrolling BD's EEZ. The agreements have already been signed.

I don't think you have understood how much India will be in control of BD, both economically and politically, once all the agreements are implemented.

Okay, I sense a bit of Supa Pawa syndrome there.

The details of the agreements are already available. Just dig through. And as if the military would allow the govt to sign any subversive deals.

Meanwhile, we are already in process of commissioning our largest Naval base and submarine base while our air force is leaping ahead with massive modernization drive, obviously all of these with Chinese assistance.

 

[randomradio]

Oh, so it has gone ahead from 10GW to 11GW?

Check what I said. 10GW of power plants in India and 1-2GW from India.

You should check your sources again, nowhere they say India would commit 11GW. Or perhaps you would like to list down Indian power projects in Bangladesh, totaling that amount of power? At best, Indian commitment is about 3-4GW and that too by the year 2025.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...wer-projects-in-bangladesh/article9598488.ece
Reliance intends to generate 3,000 MW using LNG from a Floating Storage Regasification Unit (FSRU) to be installed by it. The first phase of this project for generation of 700 MW in Meghnaghat has been approved. The Adani Group intends to supply power using dedicated transmission lines to Bangladesh from the two 660 MW plants to be set up in Jharkhand. In addition, public sector companies such as Petronet, IOCL and the Numaligarh Refinery Ltd have also expressed interest in the oil and gas sector in Bangladesh. In January 2016, the Adani Group and Reliance ADAG announced their intent to invest around $11 billion in power, LNG and ports sectors in Bangladesh.

This link alone says 4320MW. And this is from 2015. Then there was a follow on agreement for $10B worth of investments.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...ent-pacts-worth-9-billion-117040900614_1.html
India supplies 600 Mw of power to Bangladesh through two existing interconnections at Bheramara-Baharampur and Tripura-South Comilla. Another 500 Mw will be provided by India through the Bheramara-Baharampur interconnection.

The two sides have agreed to set up additional interconnection between Bornagar in Assam and Parbatipur in Bangladesh, and also Katihar in Bihar, for power evacuation facilities from which Bangladesh can draw 1,000 Mw of power. The two sides are also discussing supply of 340 Mw from various NTPC stations.

So, here's another 2440MW from within India.

That 10B worth of new investments is extra. So 6760MW right there.

You do realize that Northeast is a Landlocked region with poor communication with Mainland India right? They also have little resources to be self-sufficient. The whole transit issue is to speed up and better their communication with mainland India, through Bangladesh. However, overtime they will become more dependent on Bangladesh and reduce their dependence on mainland, after getting more access to our ports and market.

Completely incorrect.

How is this landlocked?

The purpose of the BD-NE railway line is to open up BD's market to India from both sides. And also provide NE and the rest of India with another mainline connection.

Let's not forget that it will give India an alternate path for its military during war with China.

The rail links and highways we have with NE is plenty for the amount of people living in the region.

Okay, I sense a bit of Supa Pawa syndrome there.

Of course. As I said, BD will be no different from a state in India.

The details of the agreements are already available. Just dig through. And as if the military would allow the govt to sign any subversive deals.

Nope. Defence and security pacts are always secret.

Meanwhile, we are already in process of commissioning our largest Naval base and submarine base while our air force is leaping ahead with massive modernization drive, obviously all of these with Chinese assistance.

That's okay. We will be training your navy. The defence pact also includes military training.