I am a proud Hindu and I am not ashamed

[StormShadow]

Leave it bro.That is their beliefs.And she already explained the very basic difference between Hinduism and her religion indirectly.And we should be proud about our tolerating culture of Hinduism.

Ofcourse..brother. Thousands of years of history and not a single invasion speaks for itself. And we are not trying to spread ours by sword.

 

[Dubious]

You are trying to impose 'The Islam' or 'Pure Islam'. Won't work here.

By pointing out the difference between Islam and something in India is not imposing!

I am not forcing anyone to convert or anything...I put up definitions for one to see for themselves and the shahadah is no secret...

And I am fully aware it wont work in India you people are far away from anything pure...

Those who do end up blowing themselves up or getting arrested for tweeting for terrorism or ISIS. We are mostly mixed in here.

I havent blown myself up! Nor do I intend to! So please keep your lame judgement without a base to yourself!

And yes, we have rejected Abrahamic Concept of God almost entirely. That is true.

I am well aware of that but your Indian mates here keep thinking that they see an Indian Muslim and they know Islam...

I have muslim friends s.AFAIK some of them have firm beliefs in Hindu Gods.And I know Hindus that have belief in mosques .

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[SrNair]

It would be stupid to do otherwise...A place of worship doesnt need one to believe in it...It is a place of worship even if one doesnt believe in it...Hence it makes no sense you being proud of it...

Muslims believe in places of worships of other religions...



Thank you for your time...

1. Henotheism (Greek εἷς θεός heis theos "one god") is the belief in and worship of a single God while accepting the existence or possible existence of other deities that may also be worshipped.

Not exactly wrongly perceived ...Its just a different word to mean the same!
monotheist means no notion of another ...
That is just contradiction ...No form and form...direct opposites...its like saying I am human yet not human...This kind of confusion doesnt exist in monotheist religions hence Hinduism is far from monotheism!
Yes it does...it is simple to say you are not monotheism coz in monotheist religions no confusion about the 1 god exists..

And well Hindu worshiper needs such basis...We in monotheist religions are above this confusion and hence dont need a basis hope you see the difference! When you do need a basis as described:

This looses the monotheism part of the religion whose very 1st pillar is the shahadah where it says I firmly believe that there no god but ALLAH...

Only one answer.
Religion is not a priority of majority of Indians.They have wide window of opportunities in India .And these very secular nature is helping them to absorb good values and beliefs of other religions.

 

[Dubious]

Ofcourse..brother. Thousands of years of history and not a single invasion speaks for itself. And we are not trying to spread ours by sword.

Nope you just burn them/ detain them/ intimidate them/ look down on them/ complain about them having benefits and what not out of intolerance and adulterate their religion...there goes freedom of anything!

Only one answer.
Religion is not a priority of majority of Indians.They have wide window of opportunities in India .And these very secular nature is helping them to absorb good values and beliefs of other religions.

It is not secular when you talk about religion and the rate at which it is being absorbed !

not a single invasion speaks for itself.

Talk about denial

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And I am fully aware it wont work in India you people are far away from anything pure

You took my post as rude. I did not intend it so.

Anyway, considering the higher level of purity in other countries, I prefer this 'impure' yet relatively peaceful and stable country.

Those who follow Islam to the letter don't interact with non Muslims, except when trading. They may number around 1% of the population. I wish they leave.

 

[SrNair]

By pointing out the difference between Islam and something in India is not imposing!

I am not forcing anyone to convert or anything...I put up definitions for one to see for themselves and the shahadah is no secret...

And I am fully aware it wont work in India you people are far away from anything pure...


I havent blown myself up! Nor do I intend to! So please keep your lame judgement without a base to yourself!
I am well aware of that but your Indian mates here keep thinking that they see an Indian Muslim and they know Islam...

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Well One dont need extensive knowledge in a religion for their beliefs.People will get that beliefs through their own experiences.
I have seen the some Europeans performing tough Hindu rituals because some how through their experience they have some belief.

 

[StormShadow]

Nope you just burn them/ detain them/ intimidate them/ look down on them/ complain about them having benefits and what not out of intolerance and adulterate their religion...there goes freedom of anything!

We are not talking about Pakistan here. Kindly donot derail the thread.

 

[Levina]

You will not find me adorned in saffron and shouting hoarse in a crowded market place or at a public gathering that I am a proud Hindu. Neither will you hear me speak of the hidden truth of the great Hindu scriptures or sermonize an unwilling entity on the Vedanta philosophy over buttered scones and tea. I have never found a reason to do any such thing simply because I lack adequate knowledge and even if I were to possess enough of it for arguments sake, I would not see a reason to blow my trumpet unless I am ‘pushed’ to do it. When would I be ‘pushed’ to do such things? If somebody scorns or mocks at the tenets of which Hinduism is based upon, I would then deem it necessary to argue rationally on the merits of the case without making a spectacle of myself. But, this is a highly individualistic display and there are many who well and truly cannot help but make a spectacle of themselves simply because their emotions get in their way. Frankly, even I am not sure as an educated individual if I could garner the gumption to be rationally argumentative and not emotionally argumentative. There is something about religion that always touches the ‘ raw’ nerves. At some point or the other, each one of us have fallen victims to this ‘soft’ spot and even borne the brunt of being termed a bigot.

The fundamental tenets of Hinduism are based on pluralism. In a 1995 judgment, theSupreme Court of India ruled that “Ordinarily, Hindutva is understood as a way of life or a state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism … it is a fallacy and an error of law to proceed on the assumption … that the use of words Hindutva or Hinduism per se depicts an attitude hostile to all persons practicing any religion other than the Hindu religion … It may well be that these words are used in a speech to promote secularism or to emphasize the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticize the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant.” Crystal clear in my opinion, what more needs to be explained. When somebody talks of how intolerant Hindus are, I simply say to them that they cannot be following the Hindutva way of life, the one that universally embraces the same values and aspirations.

There is a group that raises its powerful head quite often; lets call them the Illuminati for now. This is a highly educated, influential and affluent group. You will find this group in all walks of life, influencing behavior of others with an agenda best known to them. They pretend they are not religious, they pretend to be democratic and yet they carry with them a sword that tears into every audible murmur that a Hindu will make and will try to take him to the gallows at every given opportunity. The Illuminati at the same time turns a blind eye to reason, facts and factualism are usually relegated to the back burners. If their target so as to dares to substantiate a point of view with credence, the target is immediately zeroed in and labeled as an enthusiastic member of the saffron brigade. They are also termed as the bigots who are tearing down the very fundamentals on which the constitution of this country is drafted upon. You will never hear the last of the logic of the Illuminati; usually blaring at you from those tiny squares on prime time lop sided TV debates. Pretty much like the Illuminati of the yesteryears who were however more productive, this not so secret society conspires to establish a new world order. You will find them peeping in movies, magazines, newspapers, television shows and yes, you will find them pulling the strings. More recently, you will also find them laughing and jeering at the ongoing Science Congress which until recently has probably not even dared to rake up the science of the Vedas. It is not about examining into evidences of flights of fantasy that were taken by Indians a long time before Pratibha Patil took them, it is about debunking, refuting the probability of this concept entirely without examination. To the Illuminati, Hinduism is a myth; the sacred texts of the Ramayana and Mahabharata are a mythology in its exact sense even if all other sacred texts that bear no relation with Hinduism are factual Science. But what is their agenda one may ask and the reason for this rather well organized and well funded display of solidarity against all things Hindutva? For one, the core agenda is to shake the roots of which the principles of Hindutva are based upon and to stunt the growth of Hinduism. I must agree with Shashi Tharoor who rightly stated – “To mock the credulous exaggerations of the Hindutva brigade, you don’t need to debunk the genuine accomplishments of ancient Indian science!”

A stone Ganesha cannot drink milk and plastic surgery on the elephant God is labeled ludicrous. Yet a stone Mother can weep blood and the veritableness of Immaculate Conception is not debated upon. Our texts state that even many Hindu Gods and Goddesses had their holy offspring’s via immaculate conception. Why not discuss the significance of these events so carefully drafted in religious scriptures as the foundation for modern day reproductive techniques like IUI and IVF? But, will it be discussed? I am a proud and devout Hindu. I enjoy debating and I strongly encourage multiple narratives, I am a liberal, I am not ashamed of my religion and I will not permit my religion to be made a mockery of and will air my ‘limited’ knowledge without fear of being run down. But how many do?

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I can't find words to describe it , an excellent article that projects the inner feelings of every self respected hindu towards the so called liberals who are at great service to the nation in protecting its secular fibre from evil hindus....

@Soumitra , @ranjeet, @SarthakGanguly ,@Lord Zen ,@Tshering22 , @levina , @Sidak your thoughts ??

Must be a coincident that today a friend was showing a youtube video and similarities between hinduism and some other religion...like for example Brahma became Abraham and his wife Saraswati became sara. Ahemmm
@SarthakGanguly @SledgeHammer @OrionHunter @thesolar65 - somebody help me.

 

[Dubious]

Those who are not proud of our Dharmic or (cultural Hindu ) heritage should be re-educated.

there goes tolerance and acceptance down the drain!

We are not talking about Pakistan here. Kindly donot derail the thread.

Neither am I! Kindly stick to the topic...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

there goes tolerance and acceptance down the drain!
Neither am I! Kindly stick to the topic...

We try not to be tolerant to the intolerant.

Plus, we truly and genuinely value and love kufr. (Don't mean to offend) So like I said, 'pure' Muslims keep entirely to themselves. Folks like Yasin Bhatkal, Afzal Guru etc.

 

[itachiii]

Thank you for your time...

1. Henotheism (Greek εἷς θεός heis theos "one god") is the belief in and worship of a single God while accepting the existence or possible existence of other deities that may also be worshipped.

Not exactly wrongly perceived ...Its just a different word to mean the same!
monotheist means no notion of another ...
That is just contradiction ...No form and form...direct opposites...its like saying I am human yet not human...This kind of confusion doesnt exist in monotheist religions hence Hinduism is far from monotheism!
Yes it does...it is simple to say you are not monotheism coz in monotheist religions no confusion about the 1 god exists..

And well Hindu worshiper needs such basis...We in monotheist religions are above this confusion and hence dont need a basis hope you see the difference! When you do need a basis as described:

This looses the monotheism part of the religion whose very 1st pillar is the shahadah where it says I firmly believe that there no god but ALLAH...

reading u r comments it only makes me feel that , u r comparing the monotheist version of god in islamic context with what hinduism preaches( u r last para reckons this ) . u would find hinduism and its version of god to be confusing until u start to look at it from a neutral position or atleast with a ltl knowledge of what hinduism is...

 

[Dubious]

Must be a coincident that today a friend was showing a youtube video and similarities between hinduism and some other religion...like for example Brahma became Abraham and his wife Saraswati became sara. Ahemmm
@SarthakGanguly @SledgeHammer @OrionHunter @thesolar65 - somebody help me.

As a Muslim we believe in all the religions...as time passed it got adulterated some of your Indian pals here even admitted...

 

[StormShadow]

Neither am I! Kindly stick to the topic...

I remember asking you something in post # 38. Still awaiting.

 

[SrNair]

Nope you just burn them/ detain them/ intimidate them/ look down on them/ complain about them having benefits and what not out of intolerance and adulterate their religion...there goes freedom of anything!

It is not secular when you talk about religion and the rate at which it is being absorbed !

Talk about denial

These what happening when you are playing oversmart with half baked knowledge.Tolerance is the culture of Hinduism.We didnt behead any one in the name of blasphemy and we gave protection to Jews,Zoroastrians,Muslims,Christians in India.
Can you deny that ?
If you want to know more about it then you should visit India.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

got adulterated some of your Indian pals here even admitted.

Nobody admitted anything.