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So is the term Hindu not a religious tern, but a cultural term? There should be a distinction and use of another terms if same two words have dif meanings.

The example is lost on you.

To keep it brief, the definitions of religion and culture from Oxford dictionary.

Religion :The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Culture : The arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively.
 
You will not find me adorned in saffron and shouting hoarse in a crowded market place or at a public gathering that I am a proud Hindu. Neither will you hear me speak of the hidden truth of the great Hindu scriptures or sermonize an unwilling entity on the Vedanta philosophy over buttered scones and tea. I have never found a reason to do any such thing simply because I lack adequate knowledge and even if I were to possess enough of it for arguments sake, I would not see a reason to blow my trumpet unless I am ‘pushed’ to do it. When would I be ‘pushed’ to do such things? If somebody scorns or mocks at the tenets of which Hinduism is based upon, I would then deem it necessary to argue rationally on the merits of the case without making a spectacle of myself. But, this is a highly individualistic display and there are many who well and truly cannot help but make a spectacle of themselves simply because their emotions get in their way. Frankly, even I am not sure as an educated individual if I could garner the gumption to be rationally argumentative and not emotionally argumentative. There is something about religion that always touches the ‘ raw’ nerves. At some point or the other, each one of us have fallen victims to this ‘soft’ spot and even borne the brunt of being termed a bigot.

The fundamental tenets of Hinduism are based on pluralism. In a 1995 judgment, theSupreme Court of India ruled that “Ordinarily, Hindutva is understood as a way of life or a state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism … it is a fallacy and an error of law to proceed on the assumption … that the use of words Hindutva or Hinduism per se depicts an attitude hostile to all persons practicing any religion other than the Hindu religion … It may well be that these words are used in a speech to promote secularism or to emphasize the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticize the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant.” Crystal clear in my opinion, what more needs to be explained. When somebody talks of how intolerant Hindus are, I simply say to them that they cannot be following the Hindutva way of life, the one that universally embraces the same values and aspirations.

There is a group that raises its powerful head quite often; lets call them the Illuminati for now. This is a highly educated, influential and affluent group. You will find this group in all walks of life, influencing behavior of others with an agenda best known to them. They pretend they are not religious, they pretend to be democratic and yet they carry with them a sword that tears into every audible murmur that a Hindu will make and will try to take him to the gallows at every given opportunity. The Illuminati at the same time turns a blind eye to reason, facts and factualism are usually relegated to the back burners. If their target so as to dares to substantiate a point of view with credence, the target is immediately zeroed in and labeled as an enthusiastic member of the saffron brigade. They are also termed as the bigots who are tearing down the very fundamentals on which the constitution of this country is drafted upon. You will never hear the last of the logic of the Illuminati; usually blaring at you from those tiny squares on prime time lop sided TV debates. Pretty much like the Illuminati of the yesteryears who were however more productive, this not so secret society conspires to establish a new world order. You will find them peeping in movies, magazines, newspapers, television shows and yes, you will find them pulling the strings. More recently, you will also find them laughing and jeering at the ongoing Science Congress which until recently has probably not even dared to rake up the science of the Vedas. It is not about examining into evidences of flights of fantasy that were taken by Indians a long time before Pratibha Patil took them, it is about debunking, refuting the probability of this concept entirely without examination. To the Illuminati, Hinduism is a myth; the sacred texts of the Ramayana and Mahabharata are a mythology in its exact sense even if all other sacred texts that bear no relation with Hinduism are factual Science. But what is their agenda one may ask and the reason for this rather well organized and well funded display of solidarity against all things Hindutva? For one, the core agenda is to shake the roots of which the principles of Hindutva are based upon and to stunt the growth of Hinduism. I must agree with Shashi Tharoor who rightly stated – “To mock the credulous exaggerations of the Hindutva brigade, you don’t need to debunk the genuine accomplishments of ancient Indian science!”

A stone Ganesha cannot drink milk and plastic surgery on the elephant God is labeled ludicrous. Yet a stone Mother can weep blood and the veritableness of Immaculate Conception is not debated upon. Our texts state that even many Hindu Gods and Goddesses had their holy offspring’s via immaculate conception. Why not discuss the significance of these events so carefully drafted in religious scriptures as the foundation for modern day reproductive techniques like IUI and IVF? But, will it be discussed? I am a proud and devout Hindu. I enjoy debating and I strongly encourage multiple narratives, I am a liberal, I am not ashamed of my religion and I will not permit my religion to be made a mockery of and will air my ‘limited’ knowledge without fear of being run down. But how many do?

Times Of India | Blogs

I can't find words to describe it , an excellent article that projects the inner feelings of every self respected hindu towards the so called liberals who are at great service to the nation in protecting its secular fibre from evil hindus....

@Soumitra , @ranjeet, @SarthakGanguly ,@Lord Zen ,@Tshering22 , @levina , @Sidak your thoughts ??

Sounds like this proud writer had an encounter with a shrink !!!!
 
We dont BELIEVE in ANY god but ALLAH that is the testimony of faith...Anyone going against the 1st pillar is not a Muslim AUTOMATICALLY!

Hindu's belief in mosques? what is that to mean? I dont think you even know the meaning of belief and monotheism....Obviously one has to belief something they can see, touch...
Yes we believe in mosque as a place of worship. There is a guru called as Sai Baba. He is a hindu fakir[confused ?]. His samadhi[grave] is visited by millions of hindus.
 
Irrespective of faith,,Indians really need to tune down there religious sensitivities,,,we got far more serious issues at hand.
Religion is a part of life for so many of us. And no that is not called being backward. Those other issues are also being attended to. We cannot become america overnight even if we keep religions aside. Heck...even for America which is the sole super power, official motto is " In God we trust".
 
You will not find me adorned in saffron and shouting hoarse in a crowded market place or at a public gathering that I am a proud Hindu. Neither will you hear me speak of the hidden truth of the great Hindu scriptures or sermonize an unwilling entity on the Vedanta philosophy over buttered scones and tea. I have never found a reason to do any such thing simply because I lack adequate knowledge and even if I were to possess enough of it for arguments sake, I would not see a reason to blow my trumpet unless I am ‘pushed’ to do it. When would I be ‘pushed’ to do such things? If somebody scorns or mocks at the tenets of which Hinduism is based upon, I would then deem it necessary to argue rationally on the merits of the case without making a spectacle of myself. But, this is a highly individualistic display and there are many who well and truly cannot help but make a spectacle of themselves simply because their emotions get in their way. Frankly, even I am not sure as an educated individual if I could garner the gumption to be rationally argumentative and not emotionally argumentative. There is something about religion that always touches the ‘ raw’ nerves. At some point or the other, each one of us have fallen victims to this ‘soft’ spot and even borne the brunt of being termed a bigot.

The fundamental tenets of Hinduism are based on pluralism. In a 1995 judgment, theSupreme Court of India ruled that “Ordinarily, Hindutva is understood as a way of life or a state of mind and is not to be equated with or understood as religious Hindu fundamentalism … it is a fallacy and an error of law to proceed on the assumption … that the use of words Hindutva or Hinduism per se depicts an attitude hostile to all persons practicing any religion other than the Hindu religion … It may well be that these words are used in a speech to promote secularism or to emphasize the way of life of the Indian people and the Indian culture or ethos, or to criticize the policy of any political party as discriminatory or intolerant.” Crystal clear in my opinion, what more needs to be explained. When somebody talks of how intolerant Hindus are, I simply say to them that they cannot be following the Hindutva way of life, the one that universally embraces the same values and aspirations.

There is a group that raises its powerful head quite often; lets call them the Illuminati for now. This is a highly educated, influential and affluent group. You will find this group in all walks of life, influencing behavior of others with an agenda best known to them. They pretend they are not religious, they pretend to be democratic and yet they carry with them a sword that tears into every audible murmur that a Hindu will make and will try to take him to the gallows at every given opportunity. The Illuminati at the same time turns a blind eye to reason, facts and factualism are usually relegated to the back burners. If their target so as to dares to substantiate a point of view with credence, the target is immediately zeroed in and labeled as an enthusiastic member of the saffron brigade. They are also termed as the bigots who are tearing down the very fundamentals on which the constitution of this country is drafted upon. You will never hear the last of the logic of the Illuminati; usually blaring at you from those tiny squares on prime time lop sided TV debates. Pretty much like the Illuminati of the yesteryears who were however more productive, this not so secret society conspires to establish a new world order. You will find them peeping in movies, magazines, newspapers, television shows and yes, you will find them pulling the strings. More recently, you will also find them laughing and jeering at the ongoing Science Congress which until recently has probably not even dared to rake up the science of the Vedas. It is not about examining into evidences of flights of fantasy that were taken by Indians a long time before Pratibha Patil took them, it is about debunking, refuting the probability of this concept entirely without examination. To the Illuminati, Hinduism is a myth; the sacred texts of the Ramayana and Mahabharata are a mythology in its exact sense even if all other sacred texts that bear no relation with Hinduism are factual Science. But what is their agenda one may ask and the reason for this rather well organized and well funded display of solidarity against all things Hindutva? For one, the core agenda is to shake the roots of which the principles of Hindutva are based upon and to stunt the growth of Hinduism. I must agree with Shashi Tharoor who rightly stated – “To mock the credulous exaggerations of the Hindutva brigade, you don’t need to debunk the genuine accomplishments of ancient Indian science!”

A stone Ganesha cannot drink milk and plastic surgery on the elephant God is labeled ludicrous. Yet a stone Mother can weep blood and the veritableness of Immaculate Conception is not debated upon. Our texts state that even many Hindu Gods and Goddesses had their holy offspring’s via immaculate conception. Why not discuss the significance of these events so carefully drafted in religious scriptures as the foundation for modern day reproductive techniques like IUI and IVF? But, will it be discussed? I am a proud and devout Hindu. I enjoy debating and I strongly encourage multiple narratives, I am a liberal, I am not ashamed of my religion and I will not permit my religion to be made a mockery of and will air my ‘limited’ knowledge without fear of being run down. But how many do?

Times Of India | Blogs

I can't find words to describe it , an excellent article that projects the inner feelings of every self respected hindu towards the so called liberals who are at great service to the nation in protecting its secular fibre from evil hindus....

@Soumitra , @ranjeet, @SarthakGanguly ,@Lord Zen ,@Tshering22 , @levina , @Sidak your thoughts ??
Times of India trying to undo the damage. Congress suffered. ToI does not wish to follow suit.
 
Yes we believe in mosque as a place of worship. There is a guru called as Sai Baba. He is a hindu fakir[confused ?]. His samadhi[grave] is visited by millions of hindus.
It would be stupid to do otherwise...A place of worship doesnt need one to believe in it...It is a place of worship even if one doesnt believe in it...Hence it makes no sense you being proud of it...

Muslims believe in places of worships of other religions...

hinuduism isn't exactly a polytheistic religion , it is mostly either a monotheist or a henotheist religion , which is wrongly perceived to be polytheist religion..

Thank you for your time...
  1. Henotheism (Greek εἷς θεός heis theos "one god") is the belief in and worship of a single God while accepting the existence or possible existence of other deities that may also be worshipped.
Not exactly wrongly perceived ...Its just a different word to mean the same!
monotheist means no notion of another ...
For Hindus God, as is, is beyond any attributes of form, color, shapes ... That is, God does not have any specific form or name. In this state God is referred to as nirguNa brahman (attributeless god). However God takes forms as perceived by humans and this perceived form is called saguNa brahman (god with (good) attributes). These forms could range from calm to fierce to yogic
That is just contradiction ...No form and form...direct opposites...its like saying I am human yet not human...This kind of confusion doesnt exist in monotheist religions hence Hinduism is far from monotheism!
(1). Each form has its significance. For example when one is depressed and sees the form of God Strong and Powerful, the seeker feels the moral boost that God would definitely be the support for the right thing. Similarly when in an auspicious ceremony would like the God to be the calm provider of boons. In a spiritually elevated state, the choice would be the yogic form of God. The forms provide a basis for the Hindu worshipper to easily pursue the otherwise incomprehensible Supreme. So Hinduism supports both form as well as formless worship of the God. Whether one worships in saguNa or nirguNa way, it is ultimately the same God.

Hindu Concept of God

hope the above para helps u in understanding the concept of god in hindusim..
Yes it does...it is simple to say you are not monotheism coz in monotheist religions no confusion about the 1 god exists..

And well Hindu worshiper needs such basis...We in monotheist religions are above this confusion and hence dont need a basis hope you see the difference! When you do need a basis as described:

I have muslim friends s.AFAIK some of them have firm beliefs in Hindu Gods
This looses the monotheism part of the religion whose very 1st pillar is the shahadah where it says I firmly believe that there no god but ALLAH...
 
It would be stupid to do otherwise...A place of worship doesnt need one to believe in it...It is a place of worship even if one doesnt believe in it...Hence it makes no sense you being proud of it...

Muslims believe in places of worships of other religions...
Dont get me wrong..a genuine question.
In one of your posts you said the basic pillar of islam is believing in only one god allah. So, what are other places of worship considered as? What are other gods referred to as? Arent other gods believed to be gods? Other religious figures/prophets after Mohammad are considered what?
 
We dont BELIEVE in ANY god but ALLAH that is the testimony of faith...Anyone going against the 1st pillar is not a Muslim AUTOMATICALLY!

Hindu's belief in mosques? what is that to mean? I dont think you even know the meaning of belief and monotheism....Obviously one has to belief something they can see, touch...

Why would you want to compare Arab states? You see the typical lack of knowledge makes you think Arabs as the fathers of Islam or something..Islam began from there but in the Prophet's last sermon he mentioned that no Arab is greater than any....only in good deeds...meaning Arab is not a measuring stick!

This is why I said you never cant understand India,Indians and their beliefs.Recently I have heard about the visiting of a muslim DIG (extremely senior IPS officer) in our nearby temple due to his personal beliefs .You can see crores of Muslims in India having beliefs in Hinduism.
Whenever there is a festival occassion of Hinduism.or any other religion groups .Entire Indians irrespective of their religion will participate in it.
Seriously I dont blame you .Because original Islam dont allow such practices.But in India you can see amazing beliefs like that.But they are also true Muslims and their god is Allah.But that doesnt restrain them from their personal freedom. Same goes to Christians case.



I didnt compare with any other Arab country .And I dont have to know more about Islam.But our Muslims have opportunities and happier life in India.They dont have any problem with their variation in the intensity of their beliefs.
 
Religion is a part of life for so many of us. And no that is not called being backward. Those other issues are also being attended to. We cannot become america overnight even if we keep religions aside. Heck...even for America which is the sole super power, official motto is " In God we trust".
well tht was my personal opinion.....it will help India grow
 
Dont get me wrong..a genuine question.
In one of your posts you said the basic pillar of islam is believing in only one god allah. So, what are other places of worship considered as? What are other gods referred to as? Arent other gods believed to be gods? Other religious figures/prophets after Mohammad are considered what?

Leave it bro.That is their beliefs.And she already explained the very basic difference between Hinduism and her religion indirectly.And we should be proud about our tolerating culture of Hinduism.
 
We dont BELIEVE in ANY god but ALLAH that is the testimony of faith...Anyone going against the 1st pillar is not a Muslim AUTOMATICALLY!

Hindu's belief in mosques? what is that to mean? I dont think you even know the meaning of belief and monotheism....Obviously one has to belief something they can see, touch...

Why would you want to compare Arab states? You see the typical lack of knowledge makes you think Arabs as the fathers of Islam or something..Islam began from there but in the Prophet's last sermon he mentioned that no Arab is greater than any....only in good deeds...meaning Arab is not a measuring stick!
You are trying to impose 'The Islam' or 'Pure Islam'. Won't work here. Those who do end up blowing themselves up or getting arrested for tweeting for terrorism or ISIS. The rest who follow Islam to the letter don't talk to non Muslims. We are mostly mixed in here. :)

And yes, we have rejected Abrahamic Concept of God almost entirely. That is true.
 
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