Hundreds of missiles and drones have been missed by Patriot defense systems, Saudi reports

[Aramagedon]

Patriot system is the joke of the century !!!

By Editorial Team on January 23, 2020
BRUSSELS, (BM) – The Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs unexpectedly revealed information on the failed work of the American Patriot missile defense systems, learned BulgarianMilitary.com, quoting Yandex Dzen article.

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Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubair, speaking in the European Parliament with a report on the situation in the country, unexpectedly said that the American missile defense was useless.

Since 2015, the complexes missed 300 missiles and 100 drones launched by Yemeni rebels.

At the same time, the missiles were not modern, but were copies of the Soviet X-55 cruise missile. Although 88 launchers are currently covering the territory of Saudi Arabia (36 of them have the PAC-2 modification, another 52 are the latest PAC-3), for the entire time since 2015, the Saudis have never reported a successfully repelled attack from Yemen.

Earlier, Riyadh had never voiced or hid information about the work of American missile defense, but apparently the Saudis were already tired of covering up the Americans, and such a message in the European Parliament, at the Ministry level, undermines the credibility of American weapons.

Earlier, the Americans explained that missile defense could not detect missiles, since they have low efficiency in combating small targets and cruise missiles. It has also been suggested that radar antennas were not correctly tuned and did not see low-flying targets. But then the question arises, why are these complexes needed at all.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2...ssed-by-patriot-defense-systems-saudi-reports

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I certainly hope they aren't wasting Patriot missiles on $500 drones.

 

[KungFuLee]

I certainly hope they aren't wasting Patriot missiles on $500 drones.

I don't think it's financial feasible to intercept cruise missile too. Unless you have a lot of money to burn.

 

[Beast]

I don't think it's financial feasible to intercept cruise missile too. Unless you have a lot of money to burn.

Right, great excuse after the system proven to be failure. American polisher will find 1000 excuses to mask their failure.

 

[Philosopher]

I certainly hope they aren't wasting Patriot missiles on $500 drones.

That is not how the calculations are done. You're not just trading a patriot missile for a cheap UAV. You have to consider the damage that UAV will do if not intercepted. If it hits something of even small importance, the long term costs could be vastly more than the cost of that patriot missile. If they feel the patriot is their best option at the time for dealing with an incoming threat, then regardless of the cost of the incoming threat, the patriot will be used. The issue here is that the patriot is seemingly not reliable enough.

I don't think it's financial feasible to intercept cruise missile too. Unless you have a lot of money to burn.

Once again, not true. See my above response.

 

[aryobarzan]

Patriot system is the joke of the century !!!

By Editorial Team on January 23, 2020
BRUSSELS, (BM) – The Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs unexpectedly revealed information on the failed work of the American Patriot missile defense systems, learned BulgarianMilitary.com, quoting Yandex Dzen article.

Read more: Military and defense analyzes, comments, opinions and rating – Defweek.com

Read more: ‘S-400’ vs. ‘Patriot’: the Russian Missile Defence System is not Better than ‘Patriot’, US Said

Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubair, speaking in the European Parliament with a report on the situation in the country, unexpectedly said that the American missile defense was useless.

Since 2015, the complexes missed 300 missiles and 100 drones launched by Yemeni rebels.

At the same time, the missiles were not modern, but were copies of the Soviet X-55 cruise missile. Although 88 launchers are currently covering the territory of Saudi Arabia (36 of them have the PAC-2 modification, another 52 are the latest PAC-3), for the entire time since 2015, the Saudis have never reported a successfully repelled attack from Yemen.

Earlier, Riyadh had never voiced or hid information about the work of American missile defense, but apparently the Saudis were already tired of covering up the Americans, and such a message in the European Parliament, at the Ministry level, undermines the credibility of American weapons.

Earlier, the Americans explained that missile defense could not detect missiles, since they have low efficiency in combating small targets and cruise missiles. It has also been suggested that radar antennas were not correctly tuned and did not see low-flying targets. But then the question arises, why are these complexes needed at all.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2...ssed-by-patriot-defense-systems-saudi-reports

It is no surprise...Israel also reported the same thing during Saddam missile attacks ..they said actually Patriots caused more damage than the Iraqi missiles..lol..

Since 1970s the US defence contractors have been milking the US tax payers by hiring the ex military chiefs as their consultants and have managed to field certify a lot of military hardware junk as functional..Patriot is just one example...F35 is the latest example...They strong arm their vassal states to buy these junks ..Turkey refused and opted for S-400 instead and got wacked in return. Saudi Arabia is well advised to not count on all those shinny useless hardware that they have been forced to buy in any confrontation with Iran .

 

[KungFuLee]

Once again, not true. See my above response.

The things is what you are talking about is priority, but what I am talking about is financial feasibility

Okay, let's imagine a fictitious scenario, let's say there is a Patriot Missile system protecting the White House. And there is an armed drone intruding an airspace of the White House. Now, it's imperative to shoot down the drone because it can do damage to White House or the President of the United States. Let's assume the interception rate is 1 : 1

Now, let's expand on the issue, on one side, you have 100 patriot missile system, and on the other, you have 100 armed drone, Now, would it become the same situation to shoot down the 100 drone using 100 Patriot system? Now, if we put in different variable, what if US only have 200 set of Patriot Missile? Now, you are in a cross road.

Scenario 1 : Shoot down all the armed drone using all 100 Patriot Missile system. However, doing so, you will half the whole number of Patriot System available to use to protect all other part of the country.

Scenario 2 : Do not use all the missile to shoot down some incoming drone, let White House take some hits. Say you shoot down 50 of those and let the other 50 go pass. You still have 3/4 of the stock protecting the rest of the country.

Scenario 3 : DO not shoot down any drone at all. So you can use the maximum number of missile system to protect the rest of the country.

Now, here's are the kicker, given a Patriot Missile Battery cost 3 times as much as a Tomahawk Missile, and 6 times as much as a Russian Missile, and 10 times as much as an unarmed Chinese Drone. For the price of 1 missile your enemy can make 3 cruise missile, 6 Russian missile or 10 Chinese Drone. So now the equation is once again changed. You have 200 patriot missile system protecting all of US. And your enemy have, let's just half the rate, shall we? 300 Tomahawk Missile or 600 Russian RD-55 Missile or 1000 Chinese drone. We all know one missile can at most intercept 1 Tomahawk Missile, 1 RD-55 Cruise Missile or 1 Chinese Drone. Now, is it financial possible to intercept all target? Hence is it financially feasible to intercept all the target?

 

[Zarvan]

No Air Defence system can have 100 % accuracy or even 75 % accuracy. Air Defence is more of a scam than a reality

 

[KungFuLee]

Right, great excuse after the system proven to be failure. American polisher will find 1000 excuses to mask their failure.

And you are a stupid no brainer. Wasn't the DF-21 you guys so furiously promote here working on the same principle that this is not financial feasible to defend a Carrier, which cost billions of dollars, to a Chinese Ballistic Missile, which cost millions of dollars?

So if what I am saying is an excuse, then what you promote about DF-21 is also an excuse, because the working principle are the same.

but then seeing you are high on the God Crap, well, maybe you are really crazy.

 

[Beast]

And you are a stupid no brainer. Wasn't the DF-21 you guys so furiously promote here working on the same principle that this is not financial feasible to defend a Carrier, which cost billions of dollars, to a Chinese Ballistic Missile, which cost millions of dollars?

So if what I am saying is an excuse, then what you promote about DF-21 is also an excuse, because the working principle are the same.

but then seeing you are high on the God Crap, well, maybe you are really crazy.

Another stupid comment from another delusional. Nice try to divert the topic. Here we are talking about Air defense patriot missile system and we have one smart alec trying to link to DF-21 which is an attack ballistic missile and claim there is similarity?

Dude, are u sure what u are talking about? Dont be a joker and humiliate yourself here. Military is too complex for you. Go play with kite and not mess up here.

 

[KungFuLee]

Another stupid comment from another delusional. Nice try to divert the topic. Here we are talking about Air defense patriot missile system and we have on smart alec trying to link to DF-21 which is an attack ballistic missile and claim there is similarity?

Dude, are u sure what u are talking about? Dont be a joker and humiliate yourself here. Military is too complex for you. Go play with kite and not mess up here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, go play kite and worry about bush fire.

You know nothing about Statistical Probability by the way, and any talk with you on the topic is futile. Much like your reproduction organ.

 

[beijingwalker]

Nothing can stop saturation missile attack, we always know it. That's why China has the world most active missile program even back in 2013.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/china-has-worlds-most-active-missile-program-us-20130711-2prnr.html

 

[LeGenD]

It is no surprise...Israel also reported the same thing during Saddam missile attacks ..they said actually Patriots caused more damage than the Iraqi missiles..lol..

Since 1970s the US defence contractors have been milking the US tax payers by hiring the ex military chiefs as their consultants and have managed to field certify a lot of military hardware junk as functional..Patriot is just one example...F35 is the latest example...They strong arm their vassal states to buy these junks ..Turkey refused and opted for S-400 instead and got wacked in return. Saudi Arabia is well advised to not count on all those shinny useless hardware that they have been forced to buy in any confrontation with Iran .

F-35 is not junk, do not be an idiot.

 

[khansaheeb]

Patriot system is the joke of the century !!!

By Editorial Team on January 23, 2020
BRUSSELS, (BM) – The Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs unexpectedly revealed information on the failed work of the American Patriot missile defense systems, learned BulgarianMilitary.com, quoting Yandex Dzen article.

Read more: Military and defense analyzes, comments, opinions and rating – Defweek.com

Read more: ‘S-400’ vs. ‘Patriot’: the Russian Missile Defence System is not Better than ‘Patriot’, US Said

Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubair, speaking in the European Parliament with a report on the situation in the country, unexpectedly said that the American missile defense was useless.

Since 2015, the complexes missed 300 missiles and 100 drones launched by Yemeni rebels.

At the same time, the missiles were not modern, but were copies of the Soviet X-55 cruise missile. Although 88 launchers are currently covering the territory of Saudi Arabia (36 of them have the PAC-2 modification, another 52 are the latest PAC-3), for the entire time since 2015, the Saudis have never reported a successfully repelled attack from Yemen.

Earlier, Riyadh had never voiced or hid information about the work of American missile defense, but apparently the Saudis were already tired of covering up the Americans, and such a message in the European Parliament, at the Ministry level, undermines the credibility of American weapons.

Earlier, the Americans explained that missile defense could not detect missiles, since they have low efficiency in combating small targets and cruise missiles. It has also been suggested that radar antennas were not correctly tuned and did not see low-flying targets. But then the question arises, why are these complexes needed at all.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2...ssed-by-patriot-defense-systems-saudi-reports

You don't say? Sold the American dream.

 

[LeGenD]

No Air Defence system can have 100 % accuracy or even 75 % accuracy. Air Defence is more of a scam than a reality

Exactly.

Look how bad is the situation in Syria with Russian and Chinese surface defenses in the field. They utterly failed to blunt American attacks on Syrian regime, and Israel have struck many intended targets in Syria from time to time.

Surface defenses are at most 30% effective in blunting incoming attacks - this is assuming sophisticated types. Crude defensive systems such as Russian TOR series are like 15% effective for the same.

Saudi strategy for fighting a WAR in Yemen is FLAWED actually. Saudi utterly failed to pull off 'regime change' in Yemen; this should have stopped Houthi attacks on Saudi soil for good. Houthi have now figured out gaps in Saudi surface defenses and its strikes are increasingly innovative with aid of Iran. Saudi problem is that its army is not up to the task. It is like TRENCH warfare there.

Pakistan refused to help in Yemen so only USA can do something about this matter. However, does not looks like USA is interested in this conflict. They are rather happy MILKING Arabs.

Right, great excuse after the system proven to be failure. American polisher will find 1000 excuses to mask their failure.

Russian and Chinese defenses also failed in Syria. Nothing to celebrate here.

See my response above.