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How Vietnamese still suffer thanks to America. Documentary

I'm disappointed that Vietnam government also do such propaganda with lies upon lies, like all communist countries do.
There's nothing to be proud of with such a narrow mind.

Continuing to deceiving people, VCP will be over.

Please read more published by international media instead of Textbooks.
youtube have endless videos from 3rd parties.

In Vietnam, "state-run" books and newspapers almost forget the war of VN-China border 1979.

What I get that are from the articles and photos by Westerners or Chinese
Here is an example on Time, a 3rd party:

China-Vietnam Border War, 30 Years Later - Photo Essays - TIME
 
In Vietnam, "state-run" books and newspapers almost forget the war of VN-China border 1979.

What I get that are from the articles and photos by Westerners or Chinese
Here is an example on Time, a 3rd party:

China-Vietnam Border War, 30 Years Later - Photo Essays - TIME

VCP and CCP have an agreement. Do not officially, or at least publicly do propaganda on 1979 war.
Every year in February, there are small events and old soldiers get together memorizing the past.
The government do not organize events like this.
 
In fact the "Vietnam War" is the competition for influence between 2 blocks: "communist and capitalist", led by S.U and U.S.
China was just an opportunist, it participated with its own conspiracy.

And in fact, Americans attacked NVN in 1972 by its powerful air forces, but all Americans got that were thousands of their aircrafts were shot down (including tens of B52), hundreds of American pilots captured.
How could US attack ground of NVN while it was unable to push out North Vietnam Army and Viet Cong in SVN?
It is not because "china" factor.

Bro without a fear of Chinese intervention, the U.S would have launched a massive ground invasion. This is not something im just pulling out of thin air, i have read alot about the Vietnam war. The truth is if the communist didnt prevail over the Chinese nationalists(KMT) during the Chinese civil war, then the KMT government would have been ruling China and be closer to the U.S . In this respect, the north Vietnamese communist would never have grown stronger in the first place(since they wouldn't have had any major backer/support) and would have been limited to be a small insignificant militia. which would have never posed a real challenge to the south Vietnamese government/troops, much less the U.S. You seem to underestimate the support the communist North vietnamese got from both China and Russia. The border with China was wide open through out the war and there was a free flow of weapons/personnel/equipments etc from China to north Vietnamese fighter(Vietcong) throughout the war, and the U.S was limited in its actions over the north, since it couldn't bomb/block the flow of these arms/equipments from the Chinese border fearing a Chinese reaction/intervention like in Korea. So this limited U.S actions in the north alot, without which the U.S and South Vietnamese forces would have easilly wiped out the north Vietnamese forces.

The fact that a huge country like Chinna borders vietnam and was openly supporting/arming/financing the north Vietnamese(together with Russia) in itself should have made the U.S know it would never have come out of this war victorous. The war not only destroyed vietnam but set it back decades behind(followed by sanctions and isolation), countries like South Korea and Japan benefitted enourmously from this war by supplying/producing lots of equipments for the U.S.
Just ask yourself a simple question: Had China not truned communist (i.e had the KMT government won the war) do you think Vietnam would have been communist today? let's be honest. The answer is NO. The vietcong would have been defeated long ago by the U.S and south Vietnamese soldiers, and Vietnam today would have been a proseprous democracy just like South Korea, Taiwan and other Asian tigers. Vietnam missed that boat unfortunately, due to mainly to China.

The truth is had China not turned Communist in the first place, then im sure Vietnam,laos , cambodia, North Korea and other Asian countries would have never been communist. Mao's victory over the nationalist, really set back several Asian countries, since this led to the spread of communism and communist guerillas(Maoist) in several asian countries(phillipines, Indonesia, India etc). Had the KMT won, Asia would have looked very different today and more prosperous indeed. Unfortunately for Vietnam it wasnt to be the case.:(
 
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Bro without a fear of Chinese intervention, the U.S would have launched a massive ground invasion. This is not something im just pulling out of thin air, i have read alot about the Vietnam war. The truth is if the communist didnt prevail over the Chinese nationalists(KMT) during the Chinese civil war, then the KMT government would have been ruling China and be closer to the U.S . In this respect, the north Vietnamese communist would never have grown stronger in the first place(since they wouldn't have had any major backer/support) and would have been limited to be a small insignificant militia. which would have never posed a real challenge to the south Vietnamese government/troops, much less the U.S. You seem to underestimate the support the communist North vietnamese got from both China and Russia. The border with China was wide open through out the war and there was a free flow of weapons/personnel/equipments etc from China to north Vietnamese fighter(Vietcong) through out the war, and the U.S was limited in its actions over the north, since it couldn't bomb/block the flow of these arms from the Chinese border fearing a Chinese reaction/intervention like in Korea. so this made the U.S to limited U.S actions alot, without which the U.S and south Vietnamese forces would have easilly wiped out the north Vietnamese forces.

The fact that a huge country like Chinna borders vietnam and was openly supporting/aring/financing the north Vietnamese(together with Russia) in itself should have made the U.S know it would never have come out of this war victorous. The war not only destroyed vietnam but set it back decades behind(followed by sanctions and isolation), countries like South Korea and Japan benefitted enourmously from this war by supplying/producing lots of equipments for the U.S. Just ask yourself a simple question: Had China not truned communist (i.e KMT government had won the war) do you think Vietnam would have been communist today? lets be honest. The asnwer is NO. The vietcong would have been defeated long ago by the U.S and south Vietnamese soldiers, and Vietnam today would have been a proseprous democracy just like South Korea, Taiwan and other Asian tigers. Vietnam missed that boat unfortunately, due to mainly to China.

The truth is had China not turned Communist in the first place, then im sure Vietnam,laos , cambodia, North Korea and other Asian countries would have never been communist. Mao's victory over the nationalist, really set back several Asian countries, since this led to the spread of comunis and communist guerillas in several asian countries(phillipines, Indonesia, India etc). Had the KMT won, Asia would have looked very different today and more propserous indeed. Unfortunately for Vietnam it wasnt to be the case.:(

Mao said U.S. troops can't pass 38 parallel and sent troops to NK coz U.S. was even close to the border.

Mao said once again U.S. troops can't pass 17 parallel in Viet-US war. This time, U.S. troops didn't sent ground forces.

History is a circle. I'm sure CCP now regrets the support helped the unification of Vietnam.
 
Bro without a fear of Chinese intervention, the U.S would have launched a massive ground invasion. This is not something im just pulling out of thin air, i have read alot about the Vietnam war. The truth is if the communist didnt prevail over the Chinese nationalists(KMT) during the Chinese civil war, then the KMT government would have been ruling China and be closer to the U.S . In this respect, the north Vietnamese communist would never have grown stronger in the first place(since they wouldn't have had any major backer/support) and would have been limited to be a small insignificant militia. which would have never posed a real challenge to the south Vietnamese government/troops, much less the U.S. You seem to underestimate the support the communist North vietnamese got from both China and Russia. The border with China was wide open through out the war and there was a free flow of weapons/personnel/equipments etc from China to north Vietnamese fighter(Vietcong) through out the war, and the U.S was limited in its actions over the north, since it couldn't bomb/block the flow of these arms from the Chinese border fearing a Chinese reaction/intervention like in Korea. so this made the U.S to limited U.S actions alot, without which the U.S and south Vietnamese forces would have easilly wiped out the north Vietnamese forces.

The fact that a huge country like Chinna borders vietnam and was openly supporting/aring/financing the north Vietnamese(together with Russia) in itself should have made the U.S know it would never have come out of this war victorous. The war not only destroyed vietnam but set it back decades behind(followed by sanctions and isolation), countries like South Korea and Japan benefitted enourmously from this war by supplying/producing lots of equipments for the U.S. Just ask yourself a simple question: Had China not truned communist (i.e KMT government had won the war) do you think Vietnam would have been communist today? lets be honest. The asnwer is NO. The vietcong would have been defeated long ago by the U.S and south Vietnamese soldiers, and Vietnam today would have been a proseprous democracy just like South Korea, Taiwan and other Asian tigers. Vietnam missed that boat unfortunately, due to mainly to China.

The truth is had China not turned Communist in the first place, then im sure Vietnam,laos , cambodia, North Korea and other Asian countries would have never been communist. Mao's victory over the nationalist, really set back several Asian countries, since this led to the spread of comunis and communist guerillas in several asian countries(phillipines, Indonesia, India etc). Had the KMT won, Asia would have looked very different today and more propserous indeed. Unfortunately for Vietnam it wasnt to be the case.:(

I do not deny that you are partially right. But another parts you are still wrong.
Communist Vietnam declared independence in 1945, while communist China only did the same thing in 1949.
In fact, Communist Vietnamese go the way of Soviet Union, Marxism-Leninism
There is not any communist Vietnamese said that Vietnam followed Maoist...

Mao said U.S. troops can't pass 38 parallel and sent troops to NK coz U.S. was even close to the border.

Mao said once again U.S. troops can't pass 17 parallel in Viet-US war. This time, U.S. troops didn't sent ground forces.

History is a circle. I'm sure CCP now regrets the support helped the unification of Vietnam.

China has never supported NVN with target to unity Vietnam.
In 1968 China cut of all its aid to NVN.
But as we can see, NVN continued to attack SVN and reunify in 1975.
 
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Bro without a fear of Chinese intervention, the U.S would have launched a massive ground invasion. This is not something im just pulling out of thin air, i have read alot about the Vietnam war. The truth is if the communist didnt prevail over the Chinese nationalists(KMT) during the Chinese civil war, then the KMT government would have been ruling China and be closer to the U.S . In this respect, the north Vietnamese communist would never have grown stronger in the first place(since they wouldn't have had any major backer/support) and would have been limited to be a small insignificant militia. which would have never posed a real challenge to the south Vietnamese government/troops, much less the U.S. You seem to underestimate the support the communist North vietnamese got from both China and Russia. The border with China was wide open through out the war and there was a free flow of weapons/personnel/equipments etc from China to north Vietnamese fighter(Vietcong) throughout the war, and the U.S was limited in its actions over the north, since it couldn't bomb/block the flow of these arms/equipments from the Chinese border fearing a Chinese reaction/intervention like in Korea. So this limited U.S actions in the north alot, without which the U.S and South Vietnamese forces would have easilly wiped out the north Vietnamese forces.

The fact that a huge country like Chinna borders vietnam and was openly supporting/arming/financing the north Vietnamese(together with Russia) in itself should have made the U.S know it would never have come out of this war victorous. The war not only destroyed vietnam but set it back decades behind(followed by sanctions and isolation), countries like South Korea and Japan benefitted enourmously from this war by supplying/producing lots of equipments for the U.S.
Just ask yourself a simple question: Had China not truned communist (i.e had the KMT government won the war) do you think Vietnam would have been communist today? let's be honest. The answer is NO. The vietcong would have been defeated long ago by the U.S and south Vietnamese soldiers, and Vietnam today would have been a proseprous democracy just like South Korea, Taiwan and other Asian tigers. Vietnam missed that boat unfortunately, due to mainly to China.

The truth is had China not turned Communist in the first place, then im sure Vietnam,laos , cambodia, North Korea and other Asian countries would have never been communist. Mao's victory over the nationalist, really set back several Asian countries, since this led to the spread of communism and communist guerillas(Maoist) in several asian countries(phillipines, Indonesia, India etc). Had the KMT won, Asia would have looked very different today and more prosperous indeed. Unfortunately for Vietnam it wasnt to be the case.:(

About the possibility of ground-attack of US into NVN, I repeat a question, How could U.S ground-attack of NVN while it was unable to push out NVN Army even in SVN?

If Americans were afraid of China, so why did they air-attack NVN in 1972?
 
About the possibility of ground-attack of US into NVN, I repeat a question, How could U.S ground-attack of NVN while it was unable to push out NVN Army even in SVN?

If Americans were afraid of China, so why did they air-attack NVN in 1972?
We do not need to completely cleanse SVN of NVA units. We just need to isolate and contain them. You forget that the Viet Cong was largely decimated after 1968. If the SVN/US alliance was determined to cross the 17th, any NVA units that may be in the southern region will be recalled back to the north to try to defend that half. They will try to return to the north and many of them would be killed.
 
Use of tools does not necessitate support of those who invented the tools. The Soviet Union used words such as "corporation", "shareholder", "profits" and other terms used in capitalism - Soviet Union is capitalist? Soviet Union bought milling machines for building submarine propellars from Sweden and Japan - Soviet Union allied to and obedient to Sweden and Japan?


Simulations - what of the difference between front-end data management, and back-end processor chips? The back-end processor chips are just commodity goods - if Intel doesn't supply them, if Nvidia doesn't supply them, someone else will. They are not part of the core technology of supercomputers. The front-end data management chips and the interconnects distinguish supercomputers from few-core computers. - why do you not mention those, which were all developed by NUDT? The only part that was bought was the commodity, off-the-shelf back-end processors - all else was proprietary.

Your tools are on mercy of US. Conceptual tools are not, but physical tools are.
In case US sanction say 10 years, where do you get your CPU? Are you going to use Tianhe forever?
CPU today is going to be very slow compare to CPU 10 years later according to Moore's law.
That confirmed my say that "China prosper relies on US support"



Many Chinese factories are contracted OEM - but what of Thai factories? Are they not OEM? And many Chinese factories produce their own branded goods - who ever heard of Thai branded goods else than Red Bull? Is it shameful for Lenovo factories in the US to be producing Lenovo?
It is cool to be OEM manufacturer. We are not saying that being OEM manufacturer is not cool. We are talking about only one single sentence "China prosper relies on US support". OEM manufacturers profits are from her cooperate customers to hire to produce. Therefore OEM manufacturer prospers because US cooperation, their major customers. and US distribution system, eg Wallmart. This prove the point that "China prosper relies on US support"


Many Chinese factories are contracted OEM - but what of Thai factories? Are they not OEM? And many Chinese factories produce their own branded goods - who ever heard of Thai branded goods else than Red Bull? Is it shameful for Lenovo factories in the US to be producing Lenovo?
Wealth - accumulated in infrastructure. If all the dollar reserves disappeared tomorrow, Chinese still have the scientific and industrial infrastructure accumulated over the past 65 years. Does losing the reserves remove the infrastructure? Does it remove the intellectual property accumulated? No. What about Thailand? Has it done anything with its dollar reserves? What of Thai infrastructure? Intellectual property?

We are not talking about Thailand Vs China competition on Civilization Building, we are talking about only one point which is "China prosper relies on US support" Therefore, any mention about Thailand is irrelevant.


You said that Chinese women were "freed from foot binding" by Western colonialism - is that true? Why was foot binding not abolished in the 1840's or 1890's then, why only after Republic of China established was it abolished? Why were other evils against women not abolished even until 1949?
It was because new social structure on the new era that changed that. The new era would not have come without western colonization.
 
The truth is had China not turned Communist in the first place, then im sure Vietnam,laos , cambodia, North Korea and other Asian countries would have never been communist. Mao's victory over the nationalist, really set back several Asian countries, since this led to the spread of communism and communist guerillas(Maoist) in several asian countries(phillipines, Indonesia, India etc). Had the KMT won, Asia would have looked very different today and more prosperous indeed. Unfortunately for Vietnam it wasnt to be the case.:(
Then why US still supported France to colonize Vn again even Ho Chi Minh dismissed communist party in 1946 ??
 
I agree with your point about why the U.S didnt invade north Vietnam. I have red alot about the Vietnam war, and i agree with this point. However, it helped China since it kept Vietnam from turning into a U.S ally/pro U.S government. But it didnt help Vietnam, since had it not been for China, Vietnam would have been a capitalist democracy and much more prosperous than being communist. Its unfortunate Vietnam fought a brutal war, but the wrong side won because of China and Russia. Hopefully Vietnam will get rid of its corrupt Communist government with time and replace it with a democratic one just like south Korea and Taiwan did in the past. Vietnam doesn't always have to follow China's communist political system.
They want independent and freedom to choose their foreign policy. They don't want US GI Joe destroying their national pride. Can you blame the Viet for that?

Then I will speculate as well...

By 1972, the bulk of US ground forces were no longer in combat. That was under the 'Vietnamization' of the war. What remained was US air power, some US Navy activities, and some US Special Forces operations. What this mean is that with US ground forces largely out of combat, as long as the US continued to support with air power, SVN would have been free to northward cross the 17th parallel. By this time, the Viet Cong have been largely decimated as an insurgency in the South. After the disaster that was the 1968 Tet Offensive, the VC could no longer field anything higher than squad level, whereas before, they could have put together a battalion equivalent force. The ARVN would have slowly making progress north on the ground. The US would have controlled the sea and the air. Any Chinese troops entry would be either destroyed or so severely damaged that by the time any Chinese unit enter the fight, they would suffer the same fate as the NVA at the Easter Offensive.
But you didn't have the ball to go pass 17th parallel line. LOL
 
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Your tools are on mercy of US. Conceptual tools are not, but physical tools are.
In case US sanction say 10 years, where do you get your CPU?

It is cool to be OEM manufacturer. We are not saying that being OEM manufacturer is not cool. We are talking about only one single sentence "China prosper relies on US support". OEM manufacturers profits are from her cooperate customers to hire to produce.

It was because new social structure on the new era that changed that. The new era would not have come without western colonization.

1. Do you not realize that China has its own semiconductor foundries such as SMIC, which fabricates chips for customers such as Qualcomm, as well as chip designers such as Huawei? You think that Intel's x86 architecture is irreplacable? That with both foundries and fabless companies it is impossible to produce a CPU? :lol: That it is impossible for SMIC to fabricate Huawei chips? :lol:

2. OEMs are limited by their lack of branding. Without competition in the home market, the OEMs that are competitive will build their own brands, those who aren't will fail. I made a directly related remark - you have little experience with branded products, since your country has very few of them.

3. No lol. Give me one book that says that China was completely colonized or even colonized in general. China has *never* lost sovereignty - not even Qing Dynasty.

Again, your viewpoint has been colored by your background: you are extremely prejudiced against Chinese achievements.
 
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I do not deny that you are partially right. But another parts you are still wrong.
Communist Vietnam declared independence in 1945, while communist China only did the same thing in 1949.
In fact, Communist Vietnamese go the way of Soviet Union, Marxism-Leninism
There is not any communist Vietnamese said that Vietnam followed Maoist...
You are right. Tell that to your Viet brethren Gambit that we are not responsible for you becoming Communist. LOL He been blaming us for everything when in fact Uncle Ho came knocking on our door asking for help. We didn't offer ourselves to you. You did. LOL
 
You are right. Tell that to your Viet brethren Gambit that we are not responsible for you becoming Communist. LOL He been blaming us for everything when in fact Uncle Ho came knocking on our door asking for help. We didn't offer ourselves to you. You did. LOL
It was mutual benefits relationship: both sides got what they wanted. VN got guns and supports from China, China turned VN into a broken country like Korea, with the civil wars going on, one side got dependent on China. Don't tell me that China helped VN out of communism brotherhood or internationalism friendship. Even the Soviet got to use our naval base for their Pacific fleet.
 
Mao said U.S. troops can't pass 38 parallel and sent troops to NK coz U.S. was even close to the border.

Mao said once again U.S. troops can't pass 17 parallel in Viet-US war. This time, U.S. troops didn't sent ground forces.

History is a circle. I'm sure CCP now regrets the support helped the unification of Vietnam.

Who care what Mao said ? US is paper tiger .:D
 
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