How Modi turned India into a CPEC loser.

[Chinese-Dragon]

any negative ratings for that ??

Uhh you know Horus is the site Administrator, right?

Even @Syama Ayas won't complain about it.

Interesting to note that no Indian member has yet managed to argue against any of the points made in the OP.

Central Asia is over hyped. In any case, routes through Iran and Afghanistan will be enough although the initial investment would be high.

Central Asia is overrated?

Do you know Central Asia is called the "geostrategic pivot of history"? And was the main focus of the "Great Game"?

Why do you think we set up the SCO, which India was so desperate to join? It's all about Central Asia.

 

[SURYA-1]

and your country was actually ahead economically

That's news for me. Can you tell me exact sizes of India and Pakistani GDP in those times ??

Uhh you know Horus is the site Administrator, right?

Even @Syama Ayas won't complain about it.

I guess I didn't tagg you.
Oh !! But the stealth troll had to make his presence felt anyway. Get a life !!

 

[Water Car Engineer]

You had your chance pre 90s when India was a near isolationist, socialist shithole, and your country was actually ahead economically, what are you going to in the next 50 years? When India continues to open up? Get real.

Not only this, but India has it's own industiral corridors to worry about.

And all the smart cities to go along with it.

Know all 100 upcoming smart cities of India | India TV News

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I guess I didn't tagg you.
Oh !! But the stealth troll had to make his presence felt anyway. Get a life !!

Learn some manners before you insult your hosts, such as Horus, since this is his forum.

I love the desperation of you guys, you can't figure out any way to argue against him, so you just end up crying.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

That's news for me. Can you tell me exact sizes of India and Pakistani GDP in those times ??

Dont have a graph, but because of the Nehruvian license raj, India basically self crippled itself for majority of it's existence. Pakistan on the other hand was faring better, if I remember correctly.

India was averaging only 3-4% from 50s to 80s annually.

 

[SURYA-1]

Interesting to note that no Indian member has yet managed to argue against any of the points made in the OP.

I can see you were too busy in pom poming Horus. But why don't you try to go threw the thread again and point out which post on first four pages were not arguing against his points ??Even my first post on this thread was rebutting his assumptions. Thread has already run it's course . Now go troll somewhere else.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I can see you were too busy in pom poming Horus. But why don't you try to go threw the thread again and point out which post on first four pages were not arguing against his points ??Even my first post on this thread was rebutting his assumptions. Thread has already run it's course . Now go troll somewhere else.

None of you even came close to contesting a single point he made. All I hear is crying.

Now try again. And try to use at least an infinitesimal amount of brain power this time.

 

[KingMamba]

That's a lot of hot air. India has insisted on terror being front & center & has made it clear that it will not discuss Kashmir with the terror taps open. Pakistan agreed to NSA talks on terror in Ufa, all but the most cussed would admit it. Terror in Kashmir too would have been under discussion but for an discussion on the political problem of Kashmir, it had to be a different interlocutor than the Indian NSA. The Indian NSA has no remit to get into those subjects, unlike the Pakistani NSA who is also de facto foreign minister, adviser ...etc. Pakistan signed up the Ufa statement, decided to do course correction after receiving flak. Why do you think India should oblige?



No one thinks it is any kind of attack, you are poorly informed. The CEPC goes through the disputed territory of Kashmir, by China's own logic on issues in the S.China sea, that should be a no-go area. India threw the Chinese argument back in its face, that's all.

The terror groups themselves chiefly exist because of the Kashmir issue, again the elephant in the room remains.

 

[SURYA-1]

Learn some manners before you insult your hosts, such as Horus, since this is his forum.

I love the desperation of you guys, you can't figure out any way to argue against him, so you just end up crying.

Sorry it' just one of forum from many forums available. Unlike you here we don't come to accept some virtual lordship of Admin.

We have blown craters in his arguments. Go threw thread you will find many of them.

Dont have a graph, but because of the Nehruvian license raj, India basically self crippled itself for majority of it's existence. Pakistan on the other hand was faring better, if I remember correctly.

India was averaging only 3-4% from 50s to 80s annually.

Any crude figures you may remember would do .

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The problem in shale oil case is that only americans have technology which can extract it, (if my knowledge is correct)

Thats why i asked u last that is there research or work being done in China to develop such a technology?

China does output Shale, just not in the required quantities. We are the largest energy consumer on the planet, we need to increase our output massively in order to meet domestic demand.

China and Argentina lead shale development outside North America in 2015 - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Optimistically it will take 1-2 decades before we can output Shale in the "required quantities" to satisfy our domestic demand.

But we have the largest Shale reserves in the world, so once we tap into it on a large-scale basis, we'll be on a really good footing.

 

[ravinderpalrulez]

INSTC draft approval: Big step forward on India-Iran-Russia corridor

NEW DELHI: The much-awaited International North South Transport Corridor (INSTC) through Iran has been set in motion, with New Delhi, Tehran, Moscow and 10 other nations at a recent meeting in Delhi approving draft transit and customs agreements, which will provide the legal framework for moving freight on ship-rail-road route linking India, Iran, Russia, Central Asia and Europe.

India, with Iran's assistance and supported by Russia, has moved fast to make the INSTC project a reality after over a decade following the deal between Tehran and P-5+1 (US, Russia, China, UK, France and Germany) over Iran's nuclear programme that brightened the prospects of withdrawal of international sanctions against Tehran.

Last month, the Modi government hosted a meeting of the INSTC coordination council away from the public glare here.

Besides senior officials of India, Iran and Russia, representatives of most of the 10 other participants and prospective participant nations attended the meeting.

They agreed to undertake "practical steps on issues related to logistics and infrastructure necessary for making the proposed transport corridor operational", an official said, adding, INSTC draft transit and customs agreements are under consideration by all the stakeholders.

The INSTC transit and customs agreements will provide the legal framework necessary for addressing logistical issues and facilitate smooth movement of freight through the corridor. The current corridor for India to transport goods to Eurasia and Europe is via Suez Canal.
Officials here told ET that INSTC could also serve as the route for Southeast Asian countries to send their cargo to Europe instead of the Suez Canal route to cut down on both cost and time.

Speaking at the Delhi meet, Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar mooted a proposal for having an inter-country agency for making the corridor operational.

India, Russia and Iran jointly envisaged the INSTC in September 2000 as a multi modal transportation corridor, which would link the India Ocean and Persian Gulf to the Caspian Sea through Iran and onward to North Europe via Russia.

Various Central Asian and Eastern European countries joined the initiative later. Kuwait has now expressed interest to join the corridor project. The last 15 years saw very little progress on the ground due to international sanctions on Iran.

The significance attached by India to INSTC can be gauged from the fact that the Delhi meet was held back-to-back with a meeting of stakeholders in Mumbai in June.

 

[danger007]

India could have been a larger beneficiary of CPEC had it not been for the utterly stupid and misguided policies of its current Hindutva regime lead by Modi for following reasons.

• CPEC's far eastern alignment already connects India via Lahore and Sialkot, therefore only an upgrade to the infrastructure and construction of a dry port would have been needed to link India with CPEC.
  
  
• CPEC would have ensured India's gas link with IP and TAPI which now are highly unlikely.
  
  
• India could have had a permanent trade route via ground with China, Afghanistan, all of Central Asia, Iran, even Turkey.
  
  
• Had India invested in CPEC, Pakistan would have taken it positively and relations would have improved. Instead Modi is busy investing in terrorism.
  
  
• Pakistan would have liked to sell its coal or gas produced out of coal reserves in Thar to India. Coal projects are now underway as part of the CPEC project.
  
  
• Investing in CPEC would have allowed greater market integration with India, interdependence between Pakistan and India would create something to lose for both countries, hence improving relations would become a necessity not a show off.
  
  
• CPEC with Indian investment could have created more logistical routes which India and Pakistan could have used for conducting trade. India could have also used the same routes to trade with other countries linked to CPEC project i.e connecting Lahore with major Indian cities across the border.
  
  There are a number of other possibilities i,e an upgraded railway freight system etc since India has good experience with railway engines and transit. Pakistan is open to India joining CPEC, however the short sighted and bigoted government lead by Modi is either too stupid or too ignorant or both to see this in the greater interest of India. They have not only missed the boat but are busy investing in funding proxies in Pakistan to somehow subvert this mega project. This is enough for me to say that India is in wrong hands.

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What it supposed to do with Hinduism. .. moreover pakistan trying to invite Chinese navy ... given pakistan history providing military Base to foreign countries ... and as the corridor moves close to Indian kashmir. . how you think we will get benefit from CPEC... India got bigger plans with our own corridor. ..

 

[SURYA-1]

None of you even came close to contesting a single point he made. All I hear is crying.

Now try again. And try to use at least an infinitesimal amount of brain power this time.

Sorry I am not like @Syama Ayas who takes you seriously. You are just not worth wasting my time.

Anyway I can see only you and Pakistanies crying for India not investing in your CPEC ,starting from OP itself.

Now shoooo... troll.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Sorry I am not like @Syama Ayas who takes you seriously. You are just not worth wasting my time.

Anyway I can see only you and Pakistanies crying for India not investing in your CPEC ,starting from OP itself.

Now shoooo... troll.

Apparently you are taking me really seriously, since you are so upset right now.

Still looking forward to any of those arguments you claim to have.

 

[Sipahi]

India could have been a larger beneficiary of CPEC had it not been for the utterly stupid and misguided policies of its current Hindutva regime lead by Modi for following reasons.

• CPEC's far eastern alignment already connects India via Lahore and Sialkot, therefore only an upgrade to the infrastructure and construction of a dry port would have been needed to link India with CPEC.
  
  
• CPEC would have ensured India's gas link with IP and TAPI which now are highly unlikely.
  
  
• India could have had a permanent trade route via ground with China, Afghanistan, all of Central Asia, Iran, even Turkey.
  
  
• Had India invested in CPEC, Pakistan would have taken it positively and relations would have improved. Instead Modi is busy investing in terrorism.
  
  
• Pakistan would have liked to sell its coal or gas produced out of coal reserves in Thar to India. Coal projects are now underway as part of the CPEC project.
  
  
• Investing in CPEC would have allowed greater market integration with India, interdependence between Pakistan and India would create something to lose for both countries, hence improving relations would become a necessity not a show off.
  
  
• CPEC with Indian investment could have created more logistical routes which India and Pakistan could have used for conducting trade. India could have also used the same routes to trade with other countries linked to CPEC project i.e connecting Lahore with major Indian cities across the border.
  
  There are a number of other possibilities i,e an upgraded railway freight system etc since India has good experience with railway engines and transit. Pakistan is open to India joining CPEC, however the short sighted and bigoted government lead by Modi is either too stupid or too ignorant or both to see this in the greater interest of India. They have not only missed the boat but are busy investing in funding proxies in Pakistan to somehow subvert this mega project. This is enough for me to say that India is in wrong hands.

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I believe you have enough stakes in Burnol manufacturing that's why you are setting their a***** on fire