How Modi turned India into a CPEC loser.

[homagnibhatt]

My point is 100% relevant to the thread, have you read the OP?

I don't know why you are talking about the South China Sea.

This is about India rejecting connectivity, to Pakistan, to CPEC (and to the larger One Belt One Road initiative). Choosing less trade and more bloodshed, while China-Japan and Germany-Britain have chosen more trade and zero bloodshed.

CPEC asses through disputed territory (Azad Kashmir) that has been the cause of multiple wars. If CPEC passes directly to Pakistan bypassing Azad Kashmir, India will have no objection.

CPEC asses through disputed territory (***) that has been the cause of multiple wars. If CPEC passes directly to Pakistan bypassing ***, India will have no objection.

I see PDF is censoring even though I have not used any abusive language. Dear PDF, no point in sticking around.

 

[Kaniska]

Nice post...But irrepective of Modi or Manmohan, Indian foreign policy would have been same with Pakistan...Modi is simply vocal about Pakistan unlike other Gov which does it with Pakistan silently...Contrary to belief, i beleive Modi has the capacity and authority to take some drastic positive change in foreign policy wrt Pakistan is possible...

India could have been a larger beneficiary of CPEC had it not been for the utterly stupid and misguided policies of its current Hindutva regime lead by Modi for following reasons.

• CPEC's far eastern alignment already connects India via Lahore and Sialkot, therefore only an upgrade to the infrastructure and construction of a dry port would have been needed to link India with CPEC.
  
  
• CPEC would have ensured India's gas link with IP and TAPI which now are highly unlikely.
  
  
• India could have had a permanent trade route via ground with China, Afghanistan, all of Central Asia, Iran, even Turkey.
  
  
• Had India invested in CPEC, Pakistan would have taken it positively and relations would have improved. Instead Modi is busy investing in terrorism.
  
  
• Pakistan would have liked to sell its coal or gas produced out of coal reserves in Thar to India. Coal projects are now underway as part of the CPEC project.
  
  
• Investing in CPEC would have allowed greater market integration with India, interdependence between Pakistan and India would create something to lose for both countries, hence improving relations would become a necessity not a show off.
  
  
• CPEC with Indian investment could have created more logistical routes which India and Pakistan could have used for conducting trade. India could have also used the same routes to trade with other countries linked to CPEC project i.e connecting Lahore with major Indian cities across the border.
  
  There are a number of other possibilities i,e an upgraded railway freight system etc since India has good experience with railway engines and transit. Pakistan is open to India joining CPEC, however the short sighted and bigoted government lead by Modi is either too stupid or too ignorant or both to see this in the greater interest of India. They have not only missed the boat but are busy investing in funding proxies in Pakistan to somehow subvert this mega project. This is enough for me to say that India is in wrong hands.

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Come on..do not just cherry pick Modi alone just because, you do not like strong Hindu people...Even without Modi, Indian foreign policy would have been same...You have to understand that like in Pakistan, Indian centric foreign policy is

India could have been a larger beneficiary of CPEC had it not been for the utterly stupid and misguided policies of its current Hindutva regime lead by Modi for following reasons.

• CPEC's far eastern alignment already connects India via Lahore and Sialkot, therefore only an upgrade to the infrastructure and construction of a dry port would have been needed to link India with CPEC.
  
  
• CPEC would have ensured India's gas link with IP and TAPI which now are highly unlikely.
  
  
• India could have had a permanent trade route via ground with China, Afghanistan, all of Central Asia, Iran, even Turkey.
  
  
• Had India invested in CPEC, Pakistan would have taken it positively and relations would have improved. Instead Modi is busy investing in terrorism.
  
  
• Pakistan would have liked to sell its coal or gas produced out of coal reserves in Thar to India. Coal projects are now underway as part of the CPEC project.
  
  
• Investing in CPEC would have allowed greater market integration with India, interdependence between Pakistan and India would create something to lose for both countries, hence improving relations would become a necessity not a show off.
  
  
• CPEC with Indian investment could have created more logistical routes which India and Pakistan could have used for conducting trade. India could have also used the same routes to trade with other countries linked to CPEC project i.e connecting Lahore with major Indian cities across the border.
  
  There are a number of other possibilities i,e an upgraded railway freight system etc since India has good experience with railway engines and transit. Pakistan is open to India joining CPEC, however the short sighted and bigoted government lead by Modi is either too stupid or too ignorant or both to see this in the greater interest of India. They have not only missed the boat but are busy investing in funding proxies in Pakistan to somehow subvert this mega project. This is enough for me to say that India is in wrong hands.

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[punit]

Its because of people like you a lunatic like him got elected in the first place. He attacks Pakistan, we will make sure you have funerals in your homes.

douse those first which are currently burning in ur own home !

 

[Kaniska]

None of that has any effect on Pakistan, we are not Bhutan. CPEC can bring billions of dollars of market to India. Think about 500 million bhookay nangay countrymen you have before thinking like a wannabe superpower, you never were, are or will be.

And again....after reading your posts, i was just thinking..is this post is from moderator of this forum????

 

[SURYA-1]

Lol , what a hyperbolic hyperventilating OP. He missed why IRAN-PAK-INDIA pipeline was aborted.

And anyway we will access Central Asia but via Iran and Afghanistan.

From when did he became proponent of India-Pakistan interdependence. Anyway India won't like to depend on Pakistan for anything. It would always be other way around. We won't give you pressure points.

And who is blaming Modi for investing in terrorism ?? Where Osama and Omar were hiding or UN banned terrorist who holds rallies ?? It' Pakistan who is being asked to go after Haqqani network not India.

And why will Pakistan want to trade with India ?? When they have denied India MFN status all these years. We are happy to trade via UAE.

India have done well without Pakistani coal all these years. They themselves has one of the largest Coal reserves of world.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Yes, and now India is cut off from any land routes to Central Asia.

They are even trying to get a pipeline through China in order to access Russian reserves:

$30 Billion Oil Pipeline to Be Built from Russia to India through Northwest China | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

Now that is desperation, running a vital pipeline through a country that you have a territorial dispute with.

China and Pakistan on the other hand have direct borders with Central Asia, which is often called the "geographic pivot of history" (the primary focus of the "Great Game"). And we already have numerous pipelines to Central Asia, such as the Turkmenistan-China gas pipeline and the Kazakhstan-China oil pipeline.

Not to mention that both China and Pakistan have tremendous Shale reserves (China alone has the number 1 largest reserves of Shale gas in the world, enough to last thousands of years). It will take more than a decade to properly harness such reserves, but after it is achieved, we can reach a much higher level of strategic freedom than we currently have. A new "Great Game" is afoot, and we have the benefit of direct land borders with Central Asia.

The problem in shale oil case is that only americans have technology which can extract it, (if my knowledge is correct)

Thats why i asked u last that is there research or work being done in China to develop such a technology?

 

[SURYA-1]

Its because of people like you a lunatic like him got elected in the first place. He attacks Pakistan, we will make sure you have funerals in your homes.

@WebMaster @nair @Oscar @MilSpec @SpArK any negative ratings for that ??

And anyway the day China attacks our offshore installations in Vietnam they can kiss CPEC goodbye. Come what may come.

 

[Syed Naseem97]

To fail at something is making a mistake and not learning any thing from it i.e Pakistan and India relations. i don't know why but its a fact, is it or...........................................
will we learn today for tomorrow or still we are illiterate let see.................................

 

[Star Wars]

forget CPEC, it was never going to help India . We are busy with $90Billion DMIC

 

[Fireurimagination]

Pakistan doesn't provide MFN status and land routes to Afghanistan to India and you talk about India joining CPEC

 

[Khan_patriot]

Lol , what a hyperbolic hyperventilating OP. He missed why IRAN-PAK-INDIA pipeline was aborted.

And anyway we will access Central Asia but via Iran and Afghanistan.

From when did he became proponent of India-Pakistan interdependence. Anyway India won't like to depend on Pakistan for anything. It would always be other way around. We won't give you pressure points.

And who is blaming Modi for investing in terrorism ?? Where Osama and Omar were hiding or UN banned terrorist who holds rallies ?? It' Pakistan who is being asked to go after Haqqani network not India.

And why will Pakistan want to trade with India ?? When they have denied India MFN status all these years. We are happy to trade via UAE.

India have done well without Pakistani coal all these years. They themselves has one of the largest Coal reserves of world.

you have a border with neither Iran nor Afghanistan and you are talking about accessing CARs through them, is this the geography you have been taught....the sea route is not a viable option if you had that in mind

 

[mpk1988]

Yes, because that's exactly why Pak and China are pushing for CPEC.. To help India and give them unfettered access to Central Asia. What a joke of a write up!!!

I mean.. What were you thinking??? CPEC is for China-Pak economic co-operation. Be happy with that. Why drag us in there?

Central Asia is over hyped. In any case, routes through Iran and Afghanistan will be enough although the initial investment would be high.

Finally, Since China and Pak have no qualms in building through Pak Occupied Kashmir, it gives us much needed access via precedent to explore SCS and a great point to highlight internationally.

 

[SURYA-1]

you have a border with neither Iran nor Afghanistan and you are talking about accessing CARs through them, is this the geography you have been taught....the sea route is not a viable option if you had that in mind

Sea route is cheapest mode of transportation. I guess they don't teach you that in your school.

And Chabahar is only meant for that purpose.


And yes as per India's claim she has direct land contact with Afghanistan which will disect your CPEC. Yes I know that's disputed that's why India is asking China to back away.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Pakistan must turn its back on India for another century. They have had plenty of chances. An economically strong Pakistan will bust open India through its seams and this is now becoming inevitable.

You had your chance pre 90s when India was a near isolationist, socialist shithole, and your country was actually ahead economically, what are you going to in the next 50 years? When India continues to open up? Get real.

 

[SURYA-1]

Yes, because that's exactly why Pak and China are pushing for CPEC.. To help India and give them unfettered access to Central Asia. What a joke of a write up!!!

I mean.. What were you thinking??? CPEC is for China-Pak economic co-operation. Be happy with that. Why drag us in there?

Central Asia is over hyped. In any case, routes through Iran and Afghanistan will be enough although the initial investment would be high.

Finally, Since China and Pak have no qualms in building through Pak Occupied Kashmir, it gives us much needed access via precedent to explore SCS and a great point to highlight internationally.

He just hates Modi like all Pakistanies but at same time happens to be admin of this forum . Not much to read into it.His hate towards Modi is incurable , live with it.