how many years it took to build tejas?? lets settle the issue once for all

[ptltejas]

The tech will be more advance after having great tech fromRafale. Those tech can also be incorporated with the lca amca fgfa etc.

 

[thinkingcap81]

LSP-8 will probably take another 5 months. It will be the last mk1 series test aircraft. Mk2's gonna be a whole new ball game.


As for your other question. I personally, dont believe china has achieved a level of technological sophistication in avionics yet. Maybe this will happen by the time we start inducting lcamk2. Thing is, even in the mk1 config, an lca's more a match for the jf-17. The mk2 will give it a sort of quantum leap in terms of flight characteristics. Engine thrust alone will be increased over 60%. . Then you'll have an aesa radar, better ew suites. The mk2 will be up there with the best 4.5 gens

Hi,

Yes, China may not be at the level of western tech in avionics as yet. But overall they are better than us. So unless we get western tech in some critical areas, it is IMHO, unwise to say that at the time of induction LCA-MK2 will be better than JF-17. There are rumours that JF-17 blk2 will get AESA radar and latest Chinese BVR missiles.

As far as flight characteristics are concerned it is yet to be seen how much structural and engine changes will be made to make one better than the other.

As for your assesment about current LCA-MK1 > JF-17 --- there is one PDF member in IDF --- Jungibaaz --- he too said the same --- but with a caveat that the Chinese will help Pak make future JF-17 blocks quite potent. The only thing is that IAF considers both aircrafts to be at the lower end of the spectrum. Hence my thought that the final version of LCA should be good enough to take on the final JF-17.

But this is off-topic and i am not going to post any more JF-17 vs LCA here.

 

[ziaulislam]

well we know that first technology demonstrator was prepared by 1995..so it means at the latest the project picked up pace by 1990

but does it really matter when..i mean there is no hurry now as MRCA will pluck the gap produced by mig21 , for which the LCA was originally devised replacement

 

[chairborne ranger]

Hi,

Yes, China may not be at the level of western tech in avionics as yet. But overall they are better than us. So unless we get western tech in some critical areas, it is IMHO, unwise to say that at the time of induction LCA-MK2 will be better than JF-17. There are rumours that JF-17 blk2 will get AESA radar and latest Chinese BVR missiles.

As far as flight characteristics are concerned it is yet to be seen how much structural and engine changes will be made to make one better than the other.

As for your assesment about current LCA-MK1 > JF-17 --- there is one PDF member in IDF --- Jungibaaz --- he too said the same --- but with a caveat that the Chinese will help Pak make future JF-17 blocks quite potent. The only thing is that IAF considers both aircrafts to be at the lower end of the spectrum. Hence my thought that the final version of LCA should be good enough to take on the final JF-17.

But this is off-topic and i am not going to post any more JF-17 vs LCA here.

1] chinese tech is better than us :
my contention is that the iaf wont accept anything below current levels of tech prevalent in the western world. So while China is putting their own tech in aircraft, we'll keep importing tech where our indigenous tech isnt world class. The other technology such as radars and engines wont be actually used till they meet or surpass current levels of state of the art technology. OPERATIONALLY, this gives us an advantage.

2]Future jf-17 blocks will be very potent :
Agreed. the jf-17 has scope for growth. However, in my humble opinion, as of today, china does not have the capabilities to do a radical upgrade of jf-17s. Even their own frontline fighters are flying with mainly similar tech to what the jf-17 is now. In the future, definitely, but right now, china doesnt have the capabilities to integrate the kind of capabilities into the jf-17 that we are getting access to , from nations like israel, usa, russia etc. The lca mk2 will get an aesa and probably also get integrated with the new missiles that we get for the t-50 as they'd be developed by 2014.

3]flight Characteristics:

Right now, if the reports are to be believed, the pilots love the tejas. The Ge-414in6 will provide at least 100kn of thrust. While i am not qualified enough to say that the jet will supercruise, what i CAN say, is with the additional power, most of the flight performance problems will go away. Also the ada will use the lsp-6 to constantly try expanding the flight envelope.

I am not saying that the lca is way better than the jf-17 in the current config. While i would give an edge to the lca, i do believe the aircraft are quite evenly matched in most respects. What i am saying ,is that i DO see a gap being created as both airforces get upgraded versions of the two aircraft

 

[Jungibaaz]

I think LCA mk-1 is already better than JF-17 Blk 2.
Just my two cents

It seems you know more then us about Block II JF-17.
Please enlighten us in the appropriate thread

 

[DDLJ]

It seems you know more then us about Block II JF-17.
Please enlighten us in the appropriate thread

Pakistan was in too much hurry in Inducting JF-17 and made it backbone of PAF after being Cheated by US over F-16 Aircrafts. But for IAF it is twin seated Sukhoi-30 MKI which would be backbone of IAF and Tejas is rivaling JF-17 but since India's defence budget is huge and there are much better aircrafts in International market, IAF's expectations are more from Tejas.

 

[21 Dec 2012]

It seems you know more then us about Block II JF-17.
Please enlighten us in the appropriate thread

Honestly.
I don't know much about JF-17 Block-II except what the fanboys such as yourself have claiming. But LCA has/will have better weapons package, better Radar [more Range, better target resolution].

 

[shree835]

Good, LCA MK2 should be similar to JF-17 Block 1 when LCA comes out in 2017 and by then JF-17 should have 3 Blocks.

Please don compare LCA with Invincible aircraft China Item JF-17.

 

[shree835]

People's Liberation Army Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sorry for the wikipedia link, my phone doesn't let me copy a huge link. Anyways if you need more proof you can always search it on google, though I don't know why you wouldn't like wikipedia since wikipedia's facts are from credible sources also.

---------- Post added at 11:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:28 PM ----------

OK ---- I will end talk now about JF-17 ---

Chicha jello…This thread is not related to compare LCA with Mighty Muscular Invincible China Item JF-17.

 

[Emmie]

Please don compare LCA with Invincible aircraft China Item JF-17.

You are right, thats not fair comparing both; one is Chinese (what you said) and the other one is combination of various techs from various origins which are yet to be demonstrated..

 

[shree835]

If you want to know about JF-17, look at the second to last post on Page 1.

Wrong, Chinese have already inducted JF-17 in their airforce, please check up on your facts and do change your mindset from 2008.

Miya jello...Tum Bahot Jhooth bolte ho....Still Chini has not inducted JF-17 in their airforce....Chicha Don behave like a fan boy... Ish Umar me ye thik nahi...

 

[IND151]

LCA to me is a good attempt. We got the airframe done in no time. The specs were frozen. But engine is where the problems start. The engine got delayed. The later prototypes took too much time to materialize. Then radars got outdated. Newer radars sourced. Then specs change again. Blah blah.

LCA was too ambitious according to me. Engine was a complex thing to develop and it shouldn't have been a part of LCA. Its good we have separated the two programs now. Things are finally turning out good now. Lets see how much time it takes to deliver the LSP-8

right

DRDO did efforts to equip tejas with R 60

but when they did IAF told them that they want Tejas with R 73

this is just tip of iceberg

 

[Jungibaaz]

Honestly.
I don't know much about JF-17 Block-II except what the fanboys such as yourself have claiming.

Excuse me but... who the f*ck are you?

77 posts in and you seem to know me.
And yes, that's right... you don't know much about JF-17 Block II, or Block I for that matter. So kindly, don't post about sh*t you don't know about...

The height of stupidity of some people.... accusing others of being fanboys, while posting BS and openly admitting to not knowing enough about what they are posting.

But LCA has/will have better weapons package, better Radar [more Range, better target resolution].

Really? and why is that... do you know anything about KLJ-7v2 or NRIET AESA?
No-one on this forum, not even some of the knowledgeable insiders are 100% sure about the block II.
I wont say either way, LCA Mk2 and JF-17 Block II are not here yet and the specs aren't here for us to compare.

For fresh meat such as yourself to show up, and admitting to not knowing enough and then jumping to such conclusions is wrong

 

[sexy gun]

So can any knowledged person please tell us about the weapon package of Tejas ? What sort of radar it has ?

If I am not wrong, it is the lightest fighter in the world and can be used effectively as Interceptors in High altitude areas in tandem with arrays of area defense systems like Akash.

 

[DrSomnath999]

well why are we making this thread another jf17 vs lca thread???